Would you be open to an X4 with the original cast (Including Hugh n Halle)

[Retroman]

Let's be realistic, they simply won't push Wolverine to the background. His secondary mutation is flying high at the boxoffice... :P

lmaot:

Hugh said he wouldnt do an x4

And Cher has been doing farewell tours for the past 30 years.

 

[Electrix]

And Cher has been doing farewell tours for the past 30 years.

ROFL!

 

[Horhey]

I know Fox has said they arent interested in making an X-Men movie without Wolverine. Natrually Fox wants to be sure the movie makes enough money to atleast pay the bills. These movies arent cheap to produce.

 

[Electrix]

I just thought. If FOX wernt interesting in making an X-Men movie without Wolverine why the hell have they got a Magneto movie in development?

Unless FOX sneak Wolverine is that movie somehwere, It seems like a film without Wolverine is possible. Well at least FOX have considered an X-Men related film Wolverine-less.

 

[flavio_lebeau]

If they don't let Wolverine go, in 5 years Hugh will be either too A-list to accept coming back, or he'll be too old. So, If FOX ever wants to deal with X-men again (without a restart), they must get rid of him and establish the franchise so that no matter who is in the movie, people go watch it because of the X-symbol of quality.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

No X4. The movie verse version of the X-Men story has been told.

Let's not play the franchise to death with needless sequels that will only hurt the integrity of the franchise.

 

[xstormfan]

i know some people are hesitant about an X4, but there is so much great source material and great unused/ or underrepresented characters that we definitely deserve an X4, i mean look at all the Harry Potter's, Star Wars, and James Bonds movies and the x-men universe has a deeper history to mine than many of these other franchises. Sure it could end up horribly, but it could end up being the best of the X-films, Singer isn't the only director who can make a great x-film. Also i lot of people bashed the writers of x-3 but , i think if Fox gives then more creative freedom and a better director is found (sorry Ratner) than X-4 could be great.

 

[Electrix]

Let's not play the franchise to death with needless sequels that will only hurt the integrity of the franchise.

What if FOX get great writers, a good director and the cast back?

 

[gambitfire]

^This isn't a fairy a tale.

 

[Electrix]

But I like fairy tales! I get to be a princess and the magical frog comes and sits on my....oh wait...

*wakes up*

But it is possible FOX could hire people capable of the job if the time comes.

 

[gambitfire]

Think about that for a second, and remember you wrote FOX no one else.

 

[YJ1]

Let's not play the franchise to death with needless sequels that will only hurt the integrity of the franchise.

Fox will continue to use the X-Franchise in some way simply because it's a cash cow and the contract they signed with Marvel back in the day is so sweet. If Fox doesn't make an X-Men related film in a certain time frame, then their rights revert back to Marvel. Fox will NEVER let this happen.

So, the only question is to pressure Fox for an X4 complete with large cast and budget or get piecemeal X-Stuff like spin off after spin off. A Wolverine, Magneto and X-Factor/X-Kids movie can be done cheaper and make more overall cash for Fox. While Hugh, Halle and Patrick are still able, it would be wise for all X-Fans to pressure Fox for an X4. Otherwise, they may divide and conquer and milk every dime out of these characters before throwing their tarnished rights back to marvel in a decade or so.

 

[Telekinetic]

anything just missing wolverine is fine.

 

[YJ1]

anything just missing wolverine is fine.

Thems fightin' words, bub.

 

[Horhey]

anything just missing wolverine is fine.

UH OH! CAREFUL!

 

[gambitfire]

Wolverine huh? ...BOOO!!

 

[Snikt]

Hugh said he wouldnt do an x4

Honestly, when did Hugh say he would never do an X4

 

[Mistopurr83]

I don't think I'd be open to an X4 with the same major cast. The trilogy is over! Out with the old, in with the new. An X4 should be the start of a new story focusing on new major characters such as Gambit, Emma Frost, Polaris or Bishop. Then Angel, Beast and Colossus need more screen time and development if their brought back.

IMO Jackman and Berry have to go. Ever since Halle won an oscar and since Hugh won an emmy, both have been too greedy about how much money and screen time they get in any movie. If X4 has a new creative team that wants to give everyone equal screen time and development, I guarantee you Jackman and Berry will decline.

 

[Mike059jig]

The happily ever after ending of X3 doesn't leave much for a sequel.......

 

[04nbod]

more iceman and rogue. it should be a passing of the torch installment.

 

[04nbod]

The happily ever after ending of X3 doesn't leave much for a sequel.......

your kidding right- does the cure work? What happened to xavier? 2 massive questions that could drive a sequel

 

[Mike059jig]

your kidding right- does the cure work? What happened to xavier? 2 massive questions that could drive a sequel

All we know is the cure is effective it depowers the mutants down enough where their powers are not a threat anymore.....Xaviers in a new body......what happens to the bald guy in a wheel chair that everybody knows???.....X always had his body....I see nothing in the future for that......If professor X had his normal body...I would be very much open to more X movies.......X is the epicenter of the X-men......

 

[Rac]

I'm not sure do I wan't the movie at all.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

What if FOX get great writers, a good director and the cast back?

It's not the quality of the writers, directors, and the cast that I'm worried about.

What I am worried about is the integrity of an ongoing franchise when the story has been told, and concluded, in this saga.

It does go back to a particular point made earlier in this thread:

i know some people are hesitant about an X4, but there is so much great source material and great unused/ or underrepresented characters that we definitely deserve an X4, i mean look at all the Harry Potter's, Star Wars, and James Bonds movies and the x-men universe has a deeper history to mine than many of these other franchises. Sure it could end up horribly, but it could end up being the best of the X-films, Singer isn't the only director who can make a great x-film. Also i lot of people bashed the writers of x-3 but , i think if Fox gives then more creative freedom and a better director is found (sorry Ratner) than X-4 could be great.

Yes, there is lots of good material, but there is a major difference between comic books and movies, and one major difference is that a movie franchise can never cover as much as a comic book series. There will ALWAYS be more comic book stories to tell, just because they come out and are created faster. You have a limited amount of stories to tell.

And then comes the debate over which stories to tell. Well, you could tell the most "important" or "trademark" story arcs; Days of Future Past, Mutant Massacre, etc... but really, these stories only told 2 "trademark" stories, and neither of them were really near anything of their comic book counterpart.

X-Men didn't resemble any X-Men comic arc that I'm familiar with. It was a rather generic (not in a bad way) X-Men vs. Brotherhood introduction to the X-Men world.

In X2, I don't really see God Loves, Man Kills as a particularly "trademark" story arc in the X-Men universe. I know LastSunrise is looking for every oppourtunity to jump on me about not being a true fan of the X-Men source material because I love X-Men: The Last Stand, and he'll probably use this to do what with, but I had never even heard of God Loves, Man Kills until I came to this message board. I really thought that William Stryker was a character made up for the movie...

Wolverine's Weapon X origins, while a decent enough adaptation into the X-Men universe as it is on screen, wasn't really too reminiscent of the comic origins. Yuriko Oyama's father (I'm sorry, his name escapes me at this point) had no role in the Weapon X tale, and hell, despite her appearance, Lady Deathstrike had nothing to do with it either. Nor did Sabretooth, or any of the other characters. It was the Weapon X story, yes, but it was a totally new take on it (one that I don't think is neccesarily inferior, it's just what it is; different).

With X-Men: The Last Stand, Whedon's Cure arc is hardly a trademark comic arc, and the Phoenix Saga, which is THE trademark X-Men comic arc, was handled better in the closing minutes of X2 than it was in X-Men: The Last Stand, which again, was a totally different adaptation on the comic run, and one that unlike Wolverine's Weapon X story, is one that totally changes the essence of the story being told.

So I mean, what exactly are the stories you choose to tell? Because you can't continue these movies forever. James Bond is the one exception to the rule, and even that franchise has "died" off a couple times.

You can't keep these movies up forever. There will always be stories to tell. So they have to end sometime. And I say, what better time to end them, than when you've actually brought your movie-verse stories and plots, to a close.

I'm sorry, Magneto and Xavier's endings are big enough plot points to warrant a sequel. Especially a sequel that will be without the key characters of Cyclops, Jean, and depending on cast situations, Storm and Wolverine.

Many fanboys say "out with the old, in with the new", but these movies are not comic books. You can't rotate characters the same way you can in comics. These characters, in the movies, have been established as the core, the central characters of the universe, and you can't just switch the central characters in an ongoing franchise to others just to keep it going. It's not an element of good storytelling.

Sure, in the comics, a team of Iceman, Beast, Colossus, Gambit, Emma Frost, and Jubilee might be pretty friggin' sweet. But in the movies, when all of those characters who have even been in the movies were cameos or supporting roles, it just doesn't work out.

Sure, Cyclops COULD come back, but then the franchise gets into a funk of bringing back characters every movie who died in the last movie, and to me, that takes away from what's truly special about Jean Grey and the Phoenix (and her movie verse counterpart can't come back, as she never died in the first place, and it's not part of her powers to come back from the dead. She's not as cosmic entity ala the comics; she's a human, a mutant, whose skills don't include resurrection).

Let me get this straight; I don't think the X-Men movies should have ended at a trilogy. There is definatley enough source material to warrant about 4 or 5 films (I'm not going to go crazy and say 6, 7, or 10 movies), but the way these films were handled (at least the final one) made them a trilogy. How these conclussions were handled can be debated. Many argue that they were "dead ended", and I may tend to agree. But whether you think they were dead ended or not, the story arcs of this world in the movie verse, and the characters, was concluded in X-Men: The Last Stand. There is no on-going story left to tell for an X-Men 4. With key characters gone, like Cyclops, and Jean Grey, it won't work the same way in terms of quality (because consistancy in your key, core characters, is in fact, quality). Bringing back said characters will be walking a very thin line between creative genuis, and totally blowing any integrity this franchise may have.

I think it's just best for the quality of this franchise, if it's just left as is, as a trilogy, and not touched ever again. No reboots, no future sequels, nothing. Just leave it as is; the X-Men movie trilogy.

Will that happen? That's yet to be determined. Wolverine seems like it's full steam ahead. Magneto and the X-Kids spin off both seem like a bunch of talk, and no action (and I hope it stays that way). And Halle is seemingly trying to rally the X-Men fans behind a 4th movie.

Frankly, I believe further sequels will only tarnish the quality, and legacy, of the franchise. It's not a matter of who is writing, directing, or starring in it, it's a matter of the fact that the franchise is concluded. Rightfully concluded, perhaps not, but concluded none-the-less.

Whether you like them or not, each film of the X-Men trilogy adds something to the overall story, and world, of the X-Men film universe. Like Lord of the Rings, or Star Wars (though perhaps not as seamless), these movies are chapters of a larger whole, rather than separate movies. Sure, they each have their own separate subplots, but those separate subplots combine to create an even larger on going plot (ala Lord of the Rings or Star Wars) in which each chapter is just as important as the next.

With that "larger story" concluded, no matter how well executed, a 4th X-Men film won't have anything to add to that "larger story". It's done. It's concluded. Whereas X2 and X-Men: The Last Stand were more sequels to tell a story, a 4th X-Men film will be a sequel for the sake of a sequel. I don't want X-Men to turn into that kind of franchise.

And on one last subnote; how exactly do you get "bigger" and "badder" after you've done the Phoenix Saga? The absolute largest, biggest, most epic story of the X-Men mythology has been covered (to what success is debateable, and a matter of personal opinion). People want their sequels to be bigger and better than the movie previous. It's why Lord of the Rings builds up from Frodo and his journey with the Fellowship to Mt. Doom, to the all out final war between good and evil at the gates of Minas Tirith. The battle at Helm's Deep was bigger than the confrontation in Fellowship of the Ring, and the battle at Minas Tirith was bigger than the battle at Helm's Deep. Even the crappy "prequel" trilogy for Star Wars got bigger, better, and more epic as the movies went along.

The biggest and most epic X-Men story has been told. Where do you go from there?

Sure, there's Days of Future Past, or Age of Apocalypse, but some things are also just a bit too outlandish for a universe that's supposed to mirror our own (and also just a bit too "out there" and "comic bookish" for audiences to take seriously. As a comic book fan, even I find things from the comics that I'd roll my eyes at if they were incorporated into the films).

I think there's too many factors working against a successful X-Men 4 than there are working towards it.

Of course this is all my opinion, and others will debate it, but I'd much rather have quality over quantity. As a fan of the X-Men, I'd rather have 3 GREAT movies (and yes, I feel that all 3 movies were GREAT) than a whole hell of a lot of average ones. And I'd hope that X-Men fans would come to this realization as well. It's easy to want "more more more" of what you're a fan of. But "more more more" doesn't equal good.

Fans are pissed off enough as it is over the handling of X-Men: The Last Stand. With that, which was supposed to be the huge, epic ending of a huge franchise, if you're unsatisfied with that, what makes you think that Fox is going to all of a sudden treat the franchise with artistic care and integrity when anything made by this point will obviously be just to milk the cash cow for everything it's work?

 

[Goddessreicho]

All we know is the cure is effective it depowers the mutants down enough where their powers are not a threat anymore.....Xaviers in a new body......what happens to the bald guy in a wheel chair that everybody knows???.....X always had his body....I see nothing in the future for that......If professor X had his normal body...I would be very much open to more X movies.......X is the epicenter of the X-men......

Riiiiight, that's why he dies in almost every incarnation and universe. TAS, UXM, Movie-verse, Days of Future Past (wait wait, that's the second biggest epic storyline for the X-men and it's *about* his death...), and how many times has he kicked the 616 bucket?

He is the X in X-men, not the Men.