Would you be open to an X4 with the original cast (Including Hugh n Halle)

[Mike059jig]

Riiiiight, that's why he dies in almost every incarnation and universe. TAS, UXM, Movie-verse, Days of Future Past (wait wait, that's the second biggest epic storyline for the X-men and it's *about* his death...), and how many times has he kicked the 616 bucket?

He is the X in X-men, not the Men.

TAS X didn't die and was the central father figure to all the X-men,the X-men rarely operated without him......and you know he had his same body when he left with lilandra....Days of the future past(DP saga...greatest X story...X alive right...and went one on one with Pheonix).....happened because of his assination and had a outrageous future..not even 616/a alternate universe much like so many X stories are made fron...How manys times has X kicked the bucket in 616 you say?? UUUUmmm not once...Sabbatical yes...time to heal yes...Leave of abscence....Died not once..fake death??..but other than that not once...

 

[Goddessreicho]

Nell, it was never supposed to be a trilogy. All three movies had ambiguous endings. X3 more so than the other's.

And seeing as how all three storyline are mainly made up as they go along, I'm sure something can be cranked out to start the process. What's wrong with a fourth generic storyline? These movies didn't start out as spectacular, why should they end that way.

I'm sure if it was not Halle who asked for this, the attitude would be different. But here's the irony. People say that Halle is a moron, and isn't worth crap, and shouldn't have the role, doesn't know what she's doing, and yet...look at this. She opens her mouth on national televison, name drops Rothman, and it's the biggest thing about the franchise on the internet.

People just can't stop talking about. Not just here either. This is the first time I've seen more than 40 viewers on this thread in months. Looks like the power of celebrity has struck again. Now how much do you want to bet that Fox's inbox has seen a sizable increase of mail in just 3 days about this particular subject.

"Well most of it's hate mail, or I don't to see Berry." Blahblahblah...It's the Sparrow complex again. Those who sent in the hate mail, *still* sent in mail AFTER Berry said something about it.

Good one.

 

[Goddessreicho]

TAS X didn't die and was the central father figure to all the X-men......and you know he had his same body when he left with lilandra....UXM:Tell what characters didn't die yet???..Days of the future past(DP saga...greatest X story...X alive right...and went one on one with Pheonix)..happened because of his assination and had a outrageous future...How manys times has X kicked the bucket in 616 you say?? UUUUmmm not once...Sabbatical yes...time to heal yes...Leave of abscence....Died not once..fake death??..but other than that not once

TAS Xavier death was in the last episode, Graduation Day. Sure it was the second half of season five and all those episodes sucked, but giving heartfelt goodbyes and leaving his body to go off with a Liliandra counts as death.

Mainly because Marvel doesn't know the meaning of death. So take it as a seemingly permanent and physical bye bye.

Um, Days of Future Past was about X's assignation and what the world would be like without him, therefore it was about his death. I say it's the greatest ENSEMBLE story of the X-men, as is AOA, because its about how this event changed everyone. But, that's an argument for another time.

Decent stories have been told without Xavier. The man isn't nearly as important as his message. Besides outside of Magneto Moria, Proteus, Spaaaace what other memorable storyline's are exclusive to Xavier?

 

[Mike059jig]

TAS Xavier death was in the last episode, Graduation Day. Sure it was the second half of season five and all those episodes sucked, but giving heartfelt goodbyes and leaving his body to go off with a Liliandra counts as death.

Mainly because Marvel doesn't know the meaning of death. So take it as a seemingly permanent and physical bye bye.

Um, Days of Future Past was about X's assignation and what the world would be like without him, therefore it was about his death. I say it's the greatest ENSEMBLE story of the X-men, as is AOA, because its about how this event changed everyone. But, that's an argument for another time.

Decent stories have been told without Xavier. The man isn't nearly as important as his message. Besides outside of Magneto Moria, Proteus, Spaaaace what other memorable storyline's are exclusive to Xavier?

Tas he suffering from some illness and didn't die he was sent to live with lilandra she had a cure or something....X-men evolution once again he back in Biz.....greatest ENSEMBLE story of the X-men fighting for who's dream again???....AOA Magneto took over the school for X to continue X'sdream....Decent stories can be told without many X-men.......Xavier doesn't have much exclusive storyline but is an important X-man....and same thing can be said for every other X-man....none of them have exclusive storylines...they are all written as team players......cept Wolverine of course.......

 

[Goddessreicho]

greatest ENSEMBLE story of the X-me fighting for who's dream again???....AOA Magneto took over the school for X to continue X'sdream....Decent stories can be told without many X-men....Xavier doesn't have much exclusive storyline but is an important X-man....and same thing can be said for every other X-man non of them have exclusive storylines.......cept Wolverine of course.......

So...are you agreeing with me. Once Xavier had astablished his dream, and passed it on, his job was just about done. Especially in the movies. The told us about the fallout between him and Mags. There was no Moria storyline, therefore no Proteus, no Liliandra, no Juggernaut.

You said it yourself, whose dream? Yea, a dream is a intangible idea. That's it. After his established storyline in X1 and his out-of-left-field storyline with half baked William Stryker, he was just about finished. It was too late in the game to start anything else. Moria should have been in the first movie. It would have made sense to show all the mistakes made with her gradually and it would have been a nice way to show flaws in his character. Instead we get Phoenix-bot who promptly takes care of that Xavier problem, and not even that efficiently.

I do think that if they want to do a storyline, the best thing would be Days, AoA, or Apocalypse. Any adaptation of those could be a basic retcon of everyfrigginthing, and characterizations would be ok if they were "off" a bit. Everybody wins, for the most part.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

Well, I want an X4 when the rights are away from Fox. As a whole the franchise was mishandled and the studio didn't recognize the potential these stories held.

The first two films were and are great. I acknowledge changes were made to key characters and that changes were made to the story in general. I understand that, accept that, and have never denied it. But those changes in the first two films(from my perspective) didn't ruin the quality of the film and maintained a great/dark/intelligent story.

While changes were made to the story and characters, the theme and concept of the X-Men itself remained the same as it is in the comics and the animated series.

Am I open to an X4 or a restart? Absolutely. What needs to be done is the rights need to be bought from Fox, let them keep Wolverine so they can milk him for all he's worth or simply make a film where EVERYONE has their time to shine. These films are an all-star ensemble(spelling?) cast and not one star should outshine the other.

It's why Lord of the Rings is successful. Virtually all actors were and are unknowns and are not HUGE CELEBRITIES, you know? Not one actor or character outshined the other, and it also helped that there wasn't any behind the scenes drama or politics.

You know something is wrong when they cut an emotional scene/brilliantly acted scene between Ashmore and Jackman because Ashmore looked to dominant over Jackman. Seriously, what kind of thinking is that? That whole dialogue/scene could've added more necessary and apocalyptic emotion to the entire spectrum.

I want the Apocalypse/Mr. Sinister storyline told in the future. Bring back Cyclops, Rogue, Beast, Angel, Iceman, Kitty, Colossus, and introduce Gambit, Bishop, and Forge if necessary. I know it's a lot easier said than done as the stories themselves are complex and contain a lot of material to adapt, which is why I'm saying it doesn't need to be done this year, next year, or the year after that. Let about 5, 6, or 7 years pass by(providing the world and we're still around hopefully, I know I plan on being around still) and just start from scratch with a straight sequel or a restart.

 

[Retroman]

If they get Hugh and Halle back i hope ROLO is on the horizon.

 

[Supreme Power]

IMO Jackman and Berry have to go. Ever since Halle won an oscar and since Hugh won an emmy, both have been too greedy about how much money and screen time they get in any movie. If X4 has a new creative team that wants to give everyone equal screen time and development, I guarantee you Jackman and Berry will decline.

WoW, just WoW

 

[Supreme Power]

Honestly, when did Hugh say he would never do an X4

He didn't say that at all.

 

[DarthCyclopsRLZ]

I'm sure if it was not Halle who asked for this, the attitude would be different. But here's the irony. People say that Halle is a moron, and isn't worth crap, and shouldn't have the role, doesn't know what she's doing, and yet...look at this. She opens her mouth on national televison, name drops Rothman, and it's the biggest thing about the franchise on the internet.

People just can't stop talking about. Not just here either. This is the first time I've seen more than 40 viewers on this thread in months. Looks like the power of celebrity has struck again. Now how much do you want to bet that Fox's inbox has seen a sizable increase of mail in just 3 days about this particular subject.

Crazy, isn't it?

Gotta give it to Hall for one hell of a PR stunt.

 

[xmenfilesfan05]

If they get Hugh and Halle back i hope ROLO is on the horizon.

Honestly Retroman?!? Just kidding, but really...the studio has been trying to push "ROLO" since X2, not for creative reasons at all, not for the characters, not for the storyline...for people to come see two popular actors "do it" onscreen. And because of that, I'd rather someone stick a funnel down my throat and pour gasoline in, than be force fed something as mindless and tacky as their reasons for the pairing.

 

[Neptune]

I'd like an X-4 with the original cast. But no ROLO! It's bad enough Wolvie was suddenly the love of Jeans life.

 

[liamoversion2]

I really think it's done already.


X-men films were never going to be easy to make given the nature of the comic books... The first two were handled as well as they possibly could have been. They're actually both great films.

The third film is a complete joke. I don't think it would be a good idea to continue with the series after X3. There's too much ... well, ridiculousness now. The cure? The fact that Jean went on a murderous rampage and killed Scott and Xavier? None of this was ever addressed... I can't believe people actually think a fourth film would even be coherent.

I don't want another film in this series. I think it's completely done. I think they shot themselves in the foot with X3. But if they absolutely must, they would have to get and extremely talented and likely expensive director to do it and he'd have to have a lot of input in the story.

But what difference does it make? Obviously Fox cares nothing about quality as long as they can gaurantee a 10% profit. If they knew they could make money from throwing crap at the screen they'd clearly do it.

 

[Storm22]

I personally think X4 could do without Hugh/Wolverine! Especially seen as Wolverine's getting his own spinoff.

 

[Demondemios]

You kind of need Wolverine, unfortunatly. He does get way too much screentime but they do it because everyone knows Wolvie, whether they're comic book fans or not. Though I do think Hugh is good for the role.

I'd like to keep the original cast in there, the only thing would be to have Piotr with a Russian accent, but it's kind of difficult to find someone that big and Russian and can act.

I'd like to see more of the younger mutants develop though, if anyone read The Last Stand the novel, it had way more of the younger mutants then what was shown in the movie. Piotr actually did more then toss Logan around and the Bobby/John/Rogue relationship was more of a main point.

Which also reminds me, in the novel, both John and Juggernaut are alive. John is carried away from the island by Bobby and Kitty tells the army about Juggs.

 

[Mistopurr83]

I forgot to mention this earlier but, even if an X4 gets the same cast back it won't be highly anticipated. The only reason X3 made a load of money was b/c people heard X2 was great but, when they went to see X3 they didn't like it. Also, once a film franchise goes downhill at #3 it goes even further downhill at #4. That's why I'm still pretty much objecting to an X4.

 

[Electrix]

I forgot to mention this earlier but, even if an X4 gets the same cast back it won't be highly anticipated. The only reason X3 made a load of money was b/c people heard X2 was great but, when they went to see X3 they didn't like it.

The general public liked the film. It was a film full of action and special effect...how could they not like it?

Its only fans of the films that had problems with X3. If FOX market X4 the same as they did for X3 they will make similar profits to what they did with X3.

 

[Mistopurr83]

The general public liked the film.

Where did you hear that? The way I saw it they didn't b/c X3 had bad legs after opening weekend. It's second weekend had a HUGE drop just like the Hulk did. Also, if you adjust for inflation, X3 did not do much better than X2. It's like Batman Forever did not make much more than Batman Returns adjusted for inflation.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Yes, I would like an X4 with the original cast. Cyclops and Rogue should have a larger part than that in X3, and Wolverine can be minimized to a smaller, but still large, role. Halle as Storm doesn't bother me at all. Most of her flaws, I think, come from the writing.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Where did you hear that? The way I saw it they didn't b/c X3 had bad legs after opening weekend. It's second weekend had a HUGE drop just like the Hulk did. Also, if you adjust for inflation, X3 did not do much better than X2. It's like Batman Forever did not make much more than Batman Returns adjusted for inflation.

Overall gross was less than only Pirates of the Caribean this year, which had a record breaking box office.

5 million DVD sales say the general public liked it.

 

[Mike059jig]

Way Way Less than pirates....

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Way Way Less than pirates....

Yea, and way way more than any other movie to come out this year.

 

[BMM]

Overall gross was less than only Pirates of the Caribean this year, which had a record breaking box office.

5 million DVD sales say the general public liked it.

If we're talking overall (worldwide) box office, that can't be right. The Last Stand is behind Cars both domestically and in the foreign box office . . . and the Da Vinci Code is miles ahead of both Cars and The Last Stand worldwide. Even Ice Age: The Meltdown is ahead of The Last Stand overall. That's not to say that the movie didn't do well though.

 

[LastSunrise1981]

I'm definitely open to an X4. I only want an X4 with the rights away from Fox and be purchased by Sony or LGF.

What I find hilarious is how posters say I hate those who enjoy X3? Totally not the case and I've proven/stated many times that my girlfriend, my best friends, my co-workers, and people who I don't even know love the film and I respect their opinion.

With that said, I want a film that isn't rushed, that isn't motivated by political agendas. Just because it's the X-Men doesn't mean I want it to be a piece of trash either, you know? And the only way for it not to be a piece of trash is to get the rights away from Fox.

I want quality over mindless action. I want a great story over campy material, I want great development that allows me to care about characters instead of rolling my eyes or seeing them written/killed off because hacks like Kinberg and Penn are too stupid to do anything creative/intelligent.

So am I open to an X4? Definitely. I want to see the Apocalypse storyline brought to life in the right way. Granted it's complicated along with it being very expensive on top of that. Which is why I say wait about a good 5-6 years before making a straight sequel or a restart.

 

[storm-x-fan]

If they get Hugh and Halle back i hope ROLO is on the horizon.

yupe!! i want rolo!!!

I'd like an X-4 with the original cast. But no ROLO! It's bad enough Wolvie was suddenly the love of Jeans life.

Oh come on!! Millions of rolo shippers are dying to see rolo in the movies!!