Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[GuestStar2004]

The X-Men or brotherhood not being around is what's carrys the gifted as a show. It's the driving force.

 

[Charzhin0]

Not sure it would have made much difference personally.

Lets look at X1 for example and see what they did with the adult X-Men. now if we go that logic you would picture a big cool battle between the adult X-Men and the brotherhood. but in execution that wasn't quite what you got when it really comes down to it.

Apocalypse is a god level villain and does not look right having him battle kids. He needs to be challenged by a battle hardened team with an experienced Cyclops leading it.

X1 was a experimental film which didnt have the budget to do high scale battles.

 

[Matt.S99]

The X-Men or brotherhood not being around is what's carrys the gifted as a show. It's the driving force.

True, but I don’t think having one or two members show up is a bad thing.

Apocalypse is a god level villain and does not look right having him battle kids. He needs to be challenged by a battle hardened team with an experienced Cyclops leading it.

X1 was a experimental film which didnt have the budget to do high scale battles.

Yeah, I thought it was really weird that they used such a powerful villain for the young cast. First mission together. The stakes didn’t feel high at all. You know how it was going to end, really.

I think it would have made a difference with the original cast instead because the stakes would have felt higher. It would have been one of the most powerful villains they would have faced and you could have had Apocalypse do more damage like killing off a couple of the characters. Would have felt more like DOFP in terms of the tension. The Apocalypse we got just felt like a regular one off filler villain.

 

[Lip]

Yes, I think a lot of folks around here are a bit "glass is half full" in their nostalgia. While I actually am a bit disappointed in what we're seeing from Sophie so far (though it's way too early to offer full judgement), I know Tye Sheridan is a much better actor than James Marsden. I liked Jimmy and wished he had more to do, but I can already tell from the trailer that despite being on the young side, Sheridan's "giving more" as Cyke, just as it's pretty clear that Sophie is giving less than Famke. For what it's worth, I also think Alexandra Shipp is a better Storm (not actor, but she at least can do the damn accent and not look bored) than Halle, but neither ever seem to get anything to work with. That actually is the biggest course correction I welcome from Marvel in a few years.

I get your point, but as batboy said, I think it's a bit unfair to compare Marsden with Sheridan. Marsden had 5 minutes of screentime in X2. Then had 2 minutes in X3 where he's killed off in the very beggining. The 5 seconds in DoFP, where he's nothing more than a jerk. He had less than 10 minutes in 3 movies, from 2003 to 2014.

Cudmore's Colossus had more screentime than Marsden's Scott.

 

[SumT]

imagine if Fox made Avengers movies with Chris Evans playing Cap too..... he probably would have gotten 6 lines as Cap in the overall franchise, just like Cyk. Fox is that smart.

and some fans would now say that same type of quote: "Evans was nothing special", "he didnt do anything memorable", "I wont miss him"
this is how some people use to think/act. They dont understand that the director/writer are key regarding the impact of the characters. If the roles are 5 min long and lack development/great moments/action, the audience wont love the character. Ever.

 

[Mr. Peanut]

My current pipe dream for the OT cast is that Disney by some miracle lets Mangold make that X-23 movie and he puts a few of the OT cast in as cameos or maybe even have one or two as supporting characters. Pretty much an impossibility at this point, but still, a dream is a dream.

 

[The Guard]

I get your point, but as batboy said, I think it's a bit unfair to compare Marsden with Sheridan. Marsden had 5 minutes of screentime in X2. Then had 2 minutes in X3 where he's killed off in the very beggining. The 5 seconds in DoFP, where he's nothing more than a jerk. He had less than 10 minutes in 3 movies, from 2003 to 2014.

Cudmore's Colossus had more screentime than Marsden's Scott.

Not according to IMDB.

According to IMDB, Cudmore had 4:30 during the first three films and DOFP, and Marsden has 8:30 of screentime in X-MEN, 7:45 of screentime in X2 and 3:45 in The Last Stand. Still not a ton, and still not the lead, but it's not like he was never onscreen or called on to do anything that involved some range.

 

[Lip]

Holly crap, he had 8 minutes in X1. I could swear he had more.

Counting the 4 movies he was in, he didn't have more screentime than Logan in X1 alone. Wow.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Cyclops was the orderly guy against Wolverines rebel. but the rebel is always gonna be more interesting then the guy telling you not to be a rebel.

Which is why i have always been onboard with seeing more sides to Cyclops then just christening him Leader at birth as his main reason to exist.

 

[The Guard]

Remember when the comics made Cyclops the rebel and most people hated it?

Good times.

 

[BMM]

Cyclops was the orderly guy against Wolverines rebel. but the rebel is always gonna be more interesting then the guy telling you not to be a rebel.

Which is why i have always been onboard with seeing more sides to Cyclops then just christening him Leader at birth as his main reason to exist.

True, but you have to give the orderly guy a chance, which Fox never did with Marsden’s Cyclops, unfortunately.

 

[Iceman]

The OT adult cast battling a better version of Apocalypse in the present would have been sweet. Singer always said he wanted to introduce Apocalypse since very early on when doing Xmen films so its a big shame it was the X-kids fighting Him in their debuts which doesnt sit right.

I would have loved to see that.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

X3 should have used Apocalypse instead of Phoenix. Especially since they used that watered down version of Phoenix.

 

[I Am The Knight]

They had to use Phoenix since it was set up in X2.

 

[Scarecrow_King]

Well yeah. But they shouldn't have done that, either, if they didn't have a better plan for Phoenix.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think the plan was to have Bryan Singer direct the film

 

[Ordet]

I miss only Patrick Stewart even if McAvoy is doing a very uncanny work.

McKellen is a great actor, but his portrait of Magneto was a little bit too..weak in personality and Fassbender is amazing.

 

[GuestStar2004]

True, but I don’t think having one or two members show up is a bad thing.

Well it looks to me that what they are doing with the show is having the mutants not having the X-Men to fall back on, and from the looks of series 2 they are doing a magneto/x-men type split where one side is trying to stay to ideals of the X-Men and Polaris (following her fathers footsteps) and co are basically being the brotherhood.

I mean if you was gonna have anyone show up it would probably be magneto at this point, because of Polaris, rather then just have X-Men show up because they are the X-Men.

 

[Lip]

I would have loved to see that.

That final battle in XMA was so underwhelming. Even with a younger cast, the idea of having Scott, Jean, Ororo, Kurt, Hank, Eric, Warren, Betsy, Alex, Pietro and even Jubilee fighting a giant Apocalypse (Remember that magazine cover, hinting the X-Men vs a giant Apocalypse?) was really cool. But the execution was really, really bad.

I'd be more excited about watching the older version fighting Apocalypse, but the execution could still be very underwhelming.

 

[Iceman]

That final battle in XMA was so underwhelming. Even with a younger cast, the idea of having Scott, Jean, Ororo, Kurt, Hank, Eric, Warren, Betsy, Alex, Pietro and even Jubilee fighting a giant Apocalypse (Remember that magazine cover, hinting the X-Men vs a giant Apocalypse?) was really cool. But the execution was really, really bad.

I'd be more excited about watching the older version fighting Apocalypse, but the execution could still be very underwhelming.

It didn't really live up to that billing unfortunately. Hopefully this gets handled better one day.

 

[psylockolussus]

The showrunner on Gifted should get some original members to reprise their roles on that show. Most of those actors do TV work primarily now anyway and it would probably boost the shows ratings a little it they guest starred for a arc or made a cameo

Shouldn't be that hard to get Marsden, Page, Paquin, Cudmore, Ashmore or Janssen

The X-Men are dead/Mia in the present days though which is another problem with the franchise. I'm watching that Gifted show and I'm like who are these made for tv characters?

 

[EnDz0n3]

Well it looks to me that what they are doing with the show is having the mutants not having the X-Men to fall back on, and from the looks of series 2 they are doing a magneto/x-men type split where one side is trying to stay to ideals of the X-Men and Polaris (following her fathers footsteps) and co are basically being the brotherhood.

I mean if you was gonna have anyone show up it would probably be magneto at this point, because of Polaris, rather then just have X-Men show up because they are the X-Men.

Having Magneto show up to join and/or lead the Inner Circle would be a bigger deal and would change the dynamic of the characters, and more importantly, the show. Having Magneto show up would be more impactful than having any X-man (not named Charles) appear. It would be more impactful for his daughter Polaris, who is arguably the lead of the show. It would be more impactful to his grand son, who I assume is a mutant. It would be more impactful to his daughter’s baby daddy, the second lead of the show. More importantly, if the actual X-men had a hard enough time beating Magneto in the films, what chance do the Mutant Underground have? They might as well wave that white flag and cancel the show.

This was clearly one of your many posts where you disagree for the sake of disagreeing. And giving an alternative example that was not thought out properly.

 

[chamber-music]

Boyscout Cyclops can be enjoyable just like boyscout captain America can be enjoyable.

Even when Cyclops was the by the book guy in the comics he still had a little edge to him and wasn't afraid to put wolverine in his place.

Marsden wasn't really given much to work with. Marsden was great on westworld the past two seasons

 

[Lip]

Boyscout Cyclops can be enjoyable just like boyscout captain America can be enjoyable.

Or the same way Charles don't need to be the "rebel" to be interesting. That was just a lame excuse.

OT Cyclops was never really written for the audience to root for.

 

[Frankeh]

Cyclops was the orderly guy against Wolverines rebel. but the rebel is always gonna be more interesting then the guy telling you not to be a rebel.

Which is why i have always been onboard with seeing more sides to Cyclops then just christening him Leader at birth as his main reason to exist.

Cyclops has dimensions that the films haven't and will not explore. Singer/Kinberg Cyclops so far isn't an orphan, did not experience childhood trauma, is not an introvert. It seems his importance comes down to being Jean Grey's couple. He should be Xavier's dream personified, but based on how little they interacted the last movie, I'm not holding my breath for this being portrayed either.

I would say strait-laced boy scouts can be marketable, but I think that is already a proven point.