Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Cktopl33]

Source or it didn't happen.

Can't. It's insider information. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but anyone who's familiar with business dealings know of the messy drama and side-dealings happening out of the public eye.

 

[ludovica]

Can't. It's insider information. You don't have to believe it if you don't want to, but anyone who's familiar with business dealings know of the messy drama and side-dealings happening out of the public eye.

So you want us to believe you are an insider?
With due respect, that sounds ridiculous.
If you meant there were rumors, link me one credible article then.
Or don't make stuff up, either works for me.

"Messy drama" is quite a tell tale of you speaking of things you don't know, lawyers in real life know how to do their job, at least at that level...

 

[EnDz0n3]

I think the issue is that they rushed into a Dark Phoenix storyline. They could’ve done another movie that was on a more First Class scale to build up these new characters and people would’ve been supportive of it. Even under Kinberg there might have been some hesitation for the film but people would have given it more of a chance. We needed to see this team be the X-Men. They could’ve done Mutant Massacre. Something on a smaller scale that would have given us this X-Men team and building of their relationship. And then the franchise would’ve ended and there wouldn’t be as bad of a taste in people’s mouths. Now I’m still looking forward to seeing this. It’s not gonna be DoFP level but I also don’t think it’ll be as bad as Last Stand/Apocalypse. But they should’ve never even done the DP storyline.

I'm grateful they didn't do Mutant Massacre. I want to see Callisto and her Morlocks done better, and I don't think Simon would be able to do them justice (Full disclosure: I don't think he's capable of doing any character justice). Kinberg could've probably done something like E is for Extinction or other Morrison arcs. Considering Magneto's get-up in this movie, and his Genosha, it seems like Kinberg's a fan.

 

[Cktopl33]

So you want us to believe you are an insider?
With due respect, that sounds ridiculous.
If you meant there were rumors, link me one credible article then.
Or don't make stuff up, either works for me.

"Messy drama" is quite a tell tale of you speaking of things you don't know, lawyers in real life know how to do their job, at least at that level...

I'm not an insider. I'm just given insider info. There's no web article on this. It's what I mean by "insider": This is not coming from info off the net. Lawyers are quite adept at finding legal ways to maneuver through certain things....

 

[Marvel united]

I feel like Onslaught would have been a much more fitting conclusion for this franchise. Since the movies have been so focused on the ideological struggle between Charles and Erik, having them literally combine and become the ultimate mutant would have made more sense. Take the foundation of this franchise to it's absolute extreme.

The Phoenix is just sort of coming out of nowhere. At least the Onslaught story would have had 20 years of development between Charles and Erik.

@Hand Banana Brought up the Dark Knight in reference to Jean's decline being unearned. And I challenge that by saying that Kinberg is not Christopher Nolan or even David S. Goyer, as hit or miss as he is. And even then, this is not like Harvey Dent's downfall. The Phoenix is a cosmic deity that is a threat to the universe itself, it is a wayyy bigger deal in scope than Dent/any human character going insane. The fact of the matter is, the Phoenix in the comics DID have 4 years of buildup and Jean had been around for 17 years. An 11 year buildup ala Thanos is definitely out of the question for this franchise but the least they could have done was have one film: one movie where we got to know this version of Jean before she became a literal abstract of divine power.

"We do have an emotional investment. In Charles, Raven and Erik"

Umm, this is not their story, though. The Dark Phoenix saga is about Jean Grey and the X-Men. So while you could make the argument that the FC characters have earned this type of emotional climax, I refute that by saying it could and should have been Onslaught -- since, y'know, that story would actually be ABOUT the FC characters and not an underdeveloped group of young X-Men who haven't been the 'X-Men' onscreen for more than 5 minutes.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I have a feeling the space mission will be something special, probably top 5 scenes for this franchise. That new shot of Jean trying to stay in control while in the mist of the engery is visually stunning.

I hope you're right.

 

[carpenter82]

I have a feeling the space mission will be something special, probably top 5 scenes for this franchise. That new shot of Jean trying to stay in control while in the mist of the engery is visually stunning.

I thought it was pretty cool

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

Looks like there’s a press screening in London coming in the next few days:

Expect to see some early reactions soon!!

 

[carpenter82]

Looks like there’s a press screening in London coming in the next few days:

Expect to see some early reactions soon!!

Curious to see what Steven has to say. He's one of the few "geeky" reporters that hasn't been completely cynical about this film.

 

[nancy pelownski]

Curious to see what Steven has to say. He's one of the few "geeky" reporters that hasn't been completely cynical about this film.

fact that its been over 24 hours since they saw the film and no reviews come out tells me the movie is BAD

 

[The Original Bamfer]

fact that its been over 24 hours since they saw the film and no reviews come out tells me the movie is BAD

Or there’s this thing called an EMBARGO.

Need me to link you to a definition? Or do you know how to Google?

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

There’s no specific date on those tweets saying when the screening is happening. Also, the cast should be in London as they tend to film Graham Norton earlier in the week before it’s screened that same Friday.

Most probably why bloggers/critics are being flown to London, is that they will also hold a few interviews as well. Makes it easier to interview and ask questions if you know what to ask to the actors too lol.

 

[psylockolussus]

The X-Men will fall

Spoiler

I also saw another banner but forgot to take a picture since many people were walking. Promotions!

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I'm grateful they didn't do Mutant Massacre. I want to see Callisto and her Morlocks done better, and I don't think Simon would be able to do them justice (Full disclosure: I don't think he's capable of doing any character justice). Kinberg could've probably done something like E is for Extinction or other Morrison arcs. Considering Magneto's get-up in this movie, and his Genosha, it seems like Kinberg's a fan.

Or they could have done a storyline that involve Sinister senses he was teased at the end of Apocalypse. I’m not familiar with any of his comic storylines but I’m sure they could have used one for inspiration.

 

[SumT]

The X-Men will fall

Spoiler

I also saw another banner but forgot to take a picture since many people were walking. Promotions!

seems like Fox and kinberg already knew the x-men would fall
at least they are realistic lol. I'll give them that.

 

[carpenter82]

 

[JimThompson]

Dark Phoenix was not being pushed at all in the theater I went to yesterday.

 

[martinp1]

I feel like Onslaught would have been a much more fitting conclusion for this franchise. Since the movies have been so focused on the ideological struggle between Charles and Erik, having them literally combine and become the ultimate mutant would have made more sense. Take the foundation of this franchise to it's absolute extreme.

The Phoenix is just sort of coming out of nowhere. At least the Onslaught story would have had 20 years of development between Charles and Erik.

@Hand Banana Brought up the Dark Knight in reference to Jean's decline being unearned. And I challenge that by saying that Kinberg is not Christopher Nolan or even David S. Goyer, as hit or miss as he is. And even then, this is not like Harvey Dent's downfall. The Phoenix is a cosmic deity that is a threat to the universe itself, it is a wayyy bigger deal in scope than Dent/any human character going insane. The fact of the matter is, the Phoenix in the comics DID have 4 years of buildup and Jean had been around for 17 years. An 11 year buildup ala Thanos is definitely out of the question for this franchise but the least they could have done was have one film: one movie where we got to know this version of Jean before she became a literal abstract of divine power.

"We do have an emotional investment. In Charles, Raven and Erik"

Umm, this is not their story, though. The Dark Phoenix saga is about Jean Grey and the X-Men. So while you could make the argument that the FC characters have earned this type of emotional climax, I refute that by saying it could and should have been Onslaught -- since, y'know, that story would actually be ABOUT the FC characters and not an underdeveloped group of young X-Men who haven't been the 'X-Men' onscreen for more than 5 minutes.

its crazy u mentioned onslaught in this post for which i also believed it would be a better conclusion to this series also. i actually wrote up something 2 years ago after apocalypse came out. Here's what i wrote.

Since X-Men Apocalypse struggled in the box office and many have refer to it as one of the weakest X-films to date.. Mixed critic and fan reactions and poor domestic run state side.. What can we do to bring this film franchise back to how great the x-men day of future past was before? Time travel was huge factor why that movie worked and how great the timelines represented a better story for the fans.

Here's my idea:

Future Prof X finds a dead mutant that was beaten to death in front of school he has continue to lose hope in his dream of a world that can coexist with humans and mutants peacefully together.

hate crimes all over the world breakout against mutants.

Xavier's visions of death, anger and hatred fuels him to become onslaught.

The future original X men are defeated by onslaught. apocalypse evil force took over Xavier after he enslaved him inside his mind after they defeated him in the 80s. Cable receives a video transmission of the x-men needing help. Cable finds out about onslaught and travels to the past to gather the young X men since they are the key defeating onslaught. The Old X men end up sacrificing themselves at the end & the young X men stay in the future timeline. I think this would b a box office smash since it would join the young & old Cast together. Make Onslaught complete CGI.

Dark beast working for mr. sinister in the future. Bang u can throw a deadpool cameo.

End credit scene is... Cable secretly reorganizes a black ops version of X-Force with deadpool. X-23 is revealed as a member.

 

[JimThompson]

I'd watch that.

 

[nancy pelownski]

The critics have sat down to watch dark phoenix 30 minutes ago!!


In 1 hr 30 minutes we could get our first review of the movie!!

 

[GuestStar2004]

In 1 hr 30 minutes we could get our first review of the movie!!

Well no we probably won't. they won't be allowed to give any reviews.

Maybe we could see some first reactions if lucky.

 

[X-Maniac]

I believe the plan was to expand into a longer trilogy of films but that just wasn't going to happen when Fox decided out of the blue they wanted to sell (which at the time they were contemplating Comcast before Disney entered the picture, then played a cat and mouse game to draw more money out of Disney for their shareholders). So the movie had to be altered while shooting because they knew this was going to be it. Fleshing out the story into a longer narrative was no longer an option and simply couldn't happen. The shi'ar would have been in play according to earlier plans but that's not where the dice fell, unfortunately.

A longer trilogy wouldn't have helped since the first two films were also going to be the Dark Phoenix story, it's just been compressed into one movie.

So we'd still have the franchise hurtling into Dark Phoenix. It would be more comic-accurate with Hellfire Club and Shi'ar but we've no real idea what Kinberg had in in mind.

The problem is that Xavier, Magneto and Mystique were given fairly complete arcs in the first three films (First Class, DoFP, Apocalypse) so that should have been the end of them having to take up masses of screen time.

Xavier lost use of his legs, lost his hair and encouraged Jean to embrace her powers this time; Magneto went to the dark side but ended up friends with Charles once again; and Mystique didn't end up being an evil villain and instead ended up joining the X-Men. Having her leading the team was unpalatable and didn't fit the character at all, but nonetheless she ended up at the mansion. They had their story arcs.

In Dark Phoenix, they should instead have focused on the X-Men themselves, something they have failed to do over and over again...

 

[Marvel united]

its crazy u mentioned onslaught in this post for which i also believed it would be a better conclusion to this series also. i actually wrote up something 2 years ago after apocalypse came out. Here's what i wrote.

Since X-Men Apocalypse struggled in the box office and many have refer to it as one of the weakest X-films to date.. Mixed critic and fan reactions and poor domestic run state side.. What can we do to bring this film franchise back to how great the x-men day of future past was before? Time travel was huge factor why that movie worked and how great the timelines represented a better story for the fans.

Here's my idea:

Future Prof X finds a dead mutant that was beaten to death in front of school he has continue to lose hope in his dream of a world that can coexist with humans and mutants peacefully together.

hate crimes all over the world breakout against mutants.

Xavier's visions of death, anger and hatred fuels him to become onslaught.

The future original X men are defeated by onslaught. apocalypse evil force took over Xavier after he enslaved him inside his mind after they defeated him in the 80s. Cable receives a video transmission of the x-men needing help. Cable finds out about onslaught and travels to the past to gather the young X men since they are the key defeating onslaught. The Old X men end up sacrificing themselves at the end & the young X men stay in the future timeline. I think this would b a box office smash since it would join the young & old Cast together. Make Onslaught complete CGI.

Dark beast working for mr. sinister in the future. Bang u can throw a deadpool cameo.

End credit scene is... Cable secretly reorganizes a black ops version of X-Force with deadpool. X-23 is revealed as a member.

This would have been absolutely wild and the perfect way to close out this series in an epic finale! Imagine bringing Singer back to direct one last time as well as Tyler Mane as Sabretooh and Ray Park as Toad. Just the Ultimate love letter to the Fox X-Men franchise. And this would have had actual merit since you're bringing back the original cast people grew up with. Dark Phoenix is not an epic conclusion. Nothing has "led up to this" point.

I could easily see the MCU pulling off this story in their X-franchise.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Guys I had a thought what if Rose Byrne came back as Moira and her storyline was that she and Charles rekindled their relationship, she also helped out at the school/overseeing missions. Over the past ten years we learned that Mystique got killed in a battle with Proteus, basically she sacrificed herself to save the team. Anyway instead of Jean killing Raven she kills Moira at her childhood home. Beast gets mad at Xavier because he feels as if he constantly put the X-Men in danger, the lost of Moira triggers his feelings about the loss of Mystique and he turns to Magneto to help end Jean because he doesn’t want more of the X-Men to die at the expense of Xavier. And both women are buried next to each other at the mansion

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

Also w/o the presence of Mystique then Cyclops would be field leader.