Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Sage2016]

I still wonder though how Jon Hamm would've done as Sinister. Seeing as that was who they had for New Mutants.

 

[Detective Conan]

I still wonder though how Jon Hamm would've done as Sinister. Seeing as that was who they had for New Mutants.

He could still play the role in the MCU.

 

[henzINNIT]

70+% drop is disastrous.

It just limped through a second weekend still below the previous lowest opening weekend in the series. No-one could have predicted the film would crash out like this.

 

[Alison Blaire]

HR are friends of Fox and Kinberg.
They are helping Kinberg clean up the image.

 

[Hand Banana]

It just limped through a second weekend still below the previous lowest opening weekend in the series. No-one could have predicted the film would crash out like this.

Fox did based on what I’ve heard.

 

[EnDz0n3]

HR are friends of Fox and Kinberg.
They are helping Kinberg clean up the image.

It's really telling that in all the articles where Kinberg admits "This one's on me," its the writer of the article that brings up all the reasons the movie bombed, all the other possible scapegoats.

So Kinberg can afford to blame himself, admit that the buck stops with him, take one for the team, fall on his sword, or any other euphemism for being a martyr because the narrative surrounding that admission, the article itself tells the reader: "But hold your horses guys, he really wasn't totally to blame!" *wink*

 

[Alison Blaire]

Kinberg operation clean

From heroic Hollywood :

“Do you think Bryan Singer’s attitude towards his last X-Men films damaged them overall? Sound off in the comment section down below!”

Coming soon :
(Kinberg finished Dofp)

 

[Hand Banana]

It's really telling that in all the articles where Kinberg admits "This one's on me," its the writer of the article that brings up all the reasons the movie bombed, all the other possible scapegoats.

So Kinberg can afford to blame himself, admit that the buck stops with him, take one for the team, fall on his sword, or any other euphemism for being a martyr because the narrative surrounding that admission, the article itself tells the reader: "But hold your horses guys, he really wasn't totally to blame!" *wink*

David Fincher also takes responsibility for Alien 3, but that didn’t stop people from saying that Fox Studios played a huge part of that mess, which is actually true.

 

[samsnee]

For me, the X-men saga ended with DoFP. Logan was a nice epilogue even though I hated how Xavier was killed.

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

My kids took me to see Dark Phoenix for Father's Day (I enjoyed it, btw). However, I have a query (apologies if this has already been discussed but I've deliberately avoided spoilers)...

Spoiler: Dark Phoenix ending and continuity

Given what happens to Jean at the end of DP, is DP not in the same timeline as the 'good future' of Days of Future Past? My understanding has been up to now that all the films with the FC cast (except for FC itself, obviously) are set between Logan's successful mission back to 1973 and the 'good future' that he returns to

 

[Matt.S99]

I think it still does. The ending shot shows that she

Spoiler

isn’t dead

 

[Milk Tray Guy]

I think it still does. The ending shot shows that she

Spoiler

isn’t dead

Right, yes I know the shot you're referring to. So, (and please forgive me, I don't read X-Men comics)...

Spoiler

I take it that she would still be able to (re)gain her human form?

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[EnDz0n3]

 

[Blade Hoarder]

David Fincher also takes responsibility for Alien 3, but that didn’t stop people from saying that Fox Studios played a huge part of that mess, which is actually true.

Yeah. Simon Kinberg is totally our next David Fincher. Hahahaha!

 

[The Guard]

It's really telling that in all the articles where Kinberg admits "This one's on me," its the writer of the article that brings up all the reasons the movie bombed, all the other possible scapegoats.

So Kinberg can afford to blame himself, admit that the buck stops with him, take one for the team, fall on his sword, or any other euphemism for being a martyr because the narrative surrounding that admission, the article itself tells the reader: "But hold your horses guys, he really wasn't totally to blame!" *wink*

I don't see the issue here. It's clear there were studio mandates and meddling, something FOX is known for. Kinberg may have gotten the job because he was a yes-man, but it's just not realistic to lay the blame for this entire project at his feet. I doubt FOX even gave him that much control. That's just not something a first time director is generally going to have, especially at this studio.

 

[Hand Banana]

Yeah. Simon Kinberg is totally our next David Fincher. Hahahaha!

That is such a strawman.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I don't see the issue here.

You could've knocked me over with a feather. You've never seen an issue with these films. Even now with Dark Phoenix crashing and burning spectacularly, here you still are, explaining away what the rest of us supposedly don't see.

So pardon me if I'm not surprised you are making excuses for it.

It's clear there were studio mandates and meddling, something FOX is known for. Kinberg may have gotten the job because he was a yes-man, but it's just not realistic to lay the blame for this entire project at his feet. I doubt FOX even gave him that much control. That's just not something a first time director is generally going to have, especially at this studio.

Perhaps a studio wouldn't give "that much control" to a first time director, but to Fox Kinberg isn't simply some journey man first time director is he?

To the studio execs, he's been with this franchise shortly after X2 came out (thank god he was never allowed near that movie), banging out a script for X3 with Penn since around 2004. He's good friends with headhonchos at Fox (Snyder and Watts), he has A-list movie stars name-dropping him, he's been one of the more pre-eminent Producers in the business and a go-to script doctor, commanding $400,000 a week doing re-writes (god knows what possessed these studios to trust a man with barely a good script to his name) and has produced the new batch of films in this franchise. Fox trusted him enough to oversee Fan4stic when its director fizzled out, allowing him to direct in his absence.

So no, this whole "they didn't give him that much control" narrative doesn't fly. Somewhere Josh Trank* is having his last laugh. If only he had as fervent defenders that Kinberg seems to have. He probably didn't have to tweet out that infamous tweet. Everyone else would have tweeted it for him!

*They're both No Bueno. Good Riddance to the both of them.

 

[Hand Banana]

Eh, loads of people were defending Trank.

EDIT: Kinberg has more defenders because unlike Fan4stic Dark Phoenix had some redeeming qualities.

 

[Detective Conan]

For me, the X-men saga ended with DoFP. Logan was a nice epilogue even though I hated how Xavier was killed.

Logan always felt more like a elseworlds tale. DOFP ended the main series properly.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Listen to the middle guy's suggestion for Dark Phoenix's costume that would've totally worked if Kinberg had any imagination and creativity.

 

[MeralysMystica]

If Kinberg will work in Disney in big projects, well, that will make all clear about he tooking responsability for Dark Phoenix.

A sort of payment for stay in silence for what (illegally) happened.

 

[Hand Banana]

Listen to the middle guy's suggestion for Dark Phoenix's costume that would've totally worked if Kinberg had any imagination and creativity.

It seems like he wanted to go with Grant Morrison’s Phoenix from Here Comes Tomorrow in the original cut to go with the Morrison uniforms.

 

[-JKR-]

I just hope Marvel Studios will do a better job with the X-Men than they are with Spider-Man... AND other characters (Iron Man, for example, had his great moments, including Jon Favreau's original and Shane Black's "Iron Man 3," and of course Robert Downey Jr. kept kocking it out of the park, but man, were he and his world WASTED).

 

[Hand Banana]

I just hope Marvel Studios will do a better job with the X-Men than they are with Spider-Man... AND other characters (Iron Man, for example, had his great moments, including Jon Favreau's original and Shane Black's "Iron Man 3," and of course Robert Downey Jr. kept kocking it out of the park, but man, were he and his world WASTED).

Judging from an interview back in October it seems that Kevin Feige wants to use unused concepts that he had back when he worked at Fox.