Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Iceman]

Nah, he was trying to make a "not superhero movie", "a drama", "a Logan inspired character piece", "inspired by Thor Ragnarok", "the The Dark Knight of the franchise", "a hitchcockian psychological drama", "a movie that would revolutionize the superhero genre", etc...

If he cared about Jean, he would've developed her and her relationships first.

That needs to go on the back of the blu-ray cover.

 

[Vasilios]

That needs to go on the back of the blu-ray cover.

Or they could use pics of scenes that were never in the movie or delete parts like in the Apocalypse blue ray. SMH

 

[SumT]

So this board is finally dead or what?

Feels like all xmen fans are gone for good.
What a sad end for the team that started it all

 

[Drunken Rider]

^ So it's the Fan4stic forums all over again is it?

 

[Mad Ones]

There's not much left to say. X1 and X2 were very influential and are the foundations of what is still to this day a hobby that I get a lot of enjoyment from. But those movies are 20 years old and the X-men never got the same opportunities for reinvention that other long standing superheroes have gotten on the big screen (3 versions of Spider-man, 3 versions of Superman, how many versions of Batman?). This has been a blessing and a curse.

Dark Phoenix was so disappointing. I love a lot of the actors, their performances, and the score. But I'm tired of characters being neglected, dynamics being repeated over and over, period settings, and failures to adapt the spirit of the comics. Jean Grey is also my favourite fictional superhero and I've been dying to see her as Phoenix in her full glory, only to have the same guy ruin the story twice. I'd rather become disinterested and apathetic than to keep feeling the same disappointment I've felt since 2006.

I honestly don't know what to say about this franchise in retrospect that hasn't already been said. DOFP was an excellent finale and the bang this franchise went out on and I'm thankful it exists. Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix were failed experiments with ok moments here and there.

I've mostly been posting in the MCU X-men thread. That's where my energy and excitement is now. I was so done with Spider-man after the Amazing Spider-man 2 and the MCU has completely rejuvenated that character and brand. Marvel cares about the X-men again. Jonathan Hickman is writing X-men comics in July and X-characters are included in Marvel Ultimate Alliance 3 also coming out in July. I really think the future is bright for the X-men. I'm looking forward to better comics, more video games, an animated series, and Disney + content.

 

[psylockolussus]

So this board is finally dead or what?

Feels like all xmen fans are gone for good.
What a sad end for the team that started it all

Its inevitable as the film is already out for more than 3 weeks with disastrous results.

The MCU X-Men thread should be busy and active for the neXt couple of years.

 

[SumT]

^ So it's the Fan4stic forums all over again is it?

this is the Kinberg-men era now. and its consequences.
really sad

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Is this even still in theaters? Waiting to rent it on digital so I can watch it and get closure for good.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Not yet, it doesn't have crowds because of the stigma surrounding it pre-release. But it seems like WoM may help the second weekend do better than it would have. Nothing to Venom levels, that's just an anomaly

It takes a minute for good word to spread, I'm personally doing my best, and I do think it will see better box office returns than it would have. I see more and more people say they will give it a shot during a discount day at their theater or next weekend. At least in my Facebook communities.

LOL I just saw this. I'm sure there's more gems like this littered throughout the thread.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

So this board is finally dead or what?

Feels like all xmen fans are gone for good.
What a sad end for the team that started it all

It's all good.... FOX-MEN had to die. Only people who liked X-MEN because of the OT are having hard time letting go imo

This is a great time to be a X-MEN fan!

 

[SumT]

It's all good.... FOX-MEN had to die. Only people who liked X-MEN because of the OT are having hard time letting go imo

This is a great time to be a X-MEN fan!

you think so? I think those fans moved on a long time ago (after Dofp maybe, I mean once Apocalypse was announced for the young cast)

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I’m as much a fan of the OT cast as I am the FC cast and I was still regrettably excited for Apocalypse and Dark Phoenix. What kind of fan you are or what you’re a fan of doesn’t automatically dictate whether you’re excited for the next movie or not. I’m just a fan of good X-Men movies, no matter the cast or how much the previous entry sucked.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I think the OT fans were already passed the acceptance stage about the end of this franchise a long time ago. If you've been following these boards, the once-ardent fans of these movies, the OGs who've been posting on these boards since it was Spider-man Hype or even the ones that were posting during X3 days were very much against most of the things that were announced for this movie, not the least of which was Kinberg's involvement.

We all (well most of us did) saw the writings on the wall. We all (w.m.o.u.d.) knew this was going to be a cluster****. The OT fans had to move on because the studio left us no choice. Of course there was a small minority of us that actually enjoyed Apocalypse the first time we saw it (hey...my theatre clapped at the end of the movie!) but have since seen the error in that. But for the most part the very loud, majority of the forum knew this movie in particular wasn't going to be good and was ready for whatever Feige has cooked up.

The only people who were completely (?) blindsided by how bad Dark Phoenix turned out are:
(1) Sophie Turner fans who were excited at the prospect of Sansa as a lead in a film (I'm not sure what will come of her career from this train wreck);
(2) people who believed that because a writer/director/producer apologized for a prior film that gives them the magical skills to make a better product;
(2.1) Kinberg only fanboys (I didn't know they existed until this movie) "I gave Singer a chance...after X-men and X2 and DOFP...and he gave me Apocalypse...now I'm giving Kinberg a chance." That's assuming it's as easy to make a good movie as it is to make a bad movie...
(3) McAvoy and Fassbender fans who think those two actors in particular can polish a turd;
(4) fans who only listened to insiders who liked their screening and turned a blind eye to every other negative intel;
(5) fans who will love any X-men product no matter what (admittedly I used to think I was one of these people. Dark Phoenix was the first movie from this franchise that I didn't see in theatres...don't ask me how I saw it

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Not everyone fits into your absolutist categories. It’s amazing, though, how you revel in the crashing and burning of a franchise you once loved. I’m disappointed, sure, but the last thing I am is happy. I think you would’ve been more upset if the film ended up being good. That’s kind of weird, right?

 

[SumT]

you havent seen it????
good move. Fox and Kinberg dont deserve our money (I paid once, not anymore)

 

[EnDz0n3]

Not everyone fits into your absolutist categories. It’s amazing, though, how you revel in the crashing and burning of a franchise you once loved. I’m disappointed, sure, but the last thing I am is happy. I think you would’ve been more upset if the film ended up being good. That’s kind of weird, right?

Nice assumption there.

I’m just a fan of good X-Men movies, no matter the cast or how much the previous entry sucked.

So if tomorrow they announced a direct sequel to Dark Phoenix, with the same cast and crew, with Kinberg as writer and director you're going to do the same song and dance of how you're excited and you're going to be positive? You're going to call out everyone else if they say they shouldn't make a new one and also ask them why they're still posting here, they're clearly not X-men fans?

you havent seen it????
good move. Fox and Kinberg dont deserve our money (I paid once, not anymore)

Oh, I've seen it.

 

[psylockolussus]

I was gonna see the film no matter who headlined it, but as of course First Class cast never recaptured the eXcitement I had seeing the original cast in another X-Men movie. Also they got more X-Men to play and improve upon. Yet we were stuck with Fassbender/Jlaw/McAvoy for Apocalypse and Dark PhoeniX because Kinberg liked them so much. The characters should have been the #1 priority not their favorite actors. Even the younger version of Cyke, Jean, Kurt, Storm couldn't even top the ot actors that played those roles. It just shows how uninteresting and backward thinking was for the X-Men to stay in the past setting.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

So if tomorrow they announced a direct sequel to Dark Phoenix, with the same cast and crew, with Kinberg as writer and director you're going to do the same song and dance of how you're excited and you're going to be positive? You're going to call out everyone else if they say they shouldn't make a new one and also ask them why they're still posting here, they're clearly not X-men fans?

Uh, no, I won’t be excited or positive. I’ve given Kinberg more than enough chances. I didn’t call everyone else out; mainly just you for being needlessly negative, generally miserable and combative towards people who were trying to remain optimistic.

 

[Lip]

Speaking for myself, as an X-Men fan, the past few years have been miserable. XMA ruined all the hope of change I got after DoFP, where they repeated all the mistakes I hated about this franchise. Then everything they announced about the sequel was a huge disappointment: Jumping to Dark Phoenix was a huge mistake. Bringing back Eric and Raven was a huge mistake. Having Kinberg to write and direct was a huge mistake. Everything they announced in the EW magazine, the leaked spoilers, the problems behind the scenes, the delays... it was all very disappointing.

Now the movie came out and it was a disaster. And now we're going to have to wait god knows how long until we see another X-Men movie.

I just wish this movie didn't exist.

 

[Vasilios]

Speaking for myself, as an X-Men fan, the past few years have been miserable. XMA ruined all the hope of change I got after DoFP, where they repeated all the mistakes I hated about this franchise. Then everything they announced about the sequel was a huge disappointment: Jumping to Dark Phoenix was a huge mistake. Bringing back Eric and Raven was a huge mistake. Having Kinberg to write and direct was a huge mistake. Everything they announced in the EW magazine, the leaked spoilers, the problems behind the scenes, the delays... it was all very disappointing.

Now the movie came out and it was a disaster. And now we're going to have to wait god knows how long until we see another X-Men movie.

I just wish this movie didn't exist.

Basically everything us true xmen fans said was going to happen , happened. It was the weird Trump supporting minded type that kept trying to tell people the Sky was green and not blue. Lmao

 

[EnDz0n3]

Uh, no, I won’t be excited or positive. I’ve given Kinberg more than enough chances. I didn’t call everyone else out; mainly just you for being needlessly negative, generally miserable and combative towards people who were trying to remain optimistic.

I mean the movie sucked, it bombed at the box office and was a total embarrassment to everyone involved. Considering I was right, was I really negative for nothing? Is hindsight 20/20?

 

[psylockolussus]

Waiting to rent it on digital so I can watch it and get closure for good.

Maybe neXt month?

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I doubt that soon LOL maybe September or October. They probably want to put exclusive content on the blue ray.

 

[Charzhin0]

Shazams blue ray came out pretty quickly after its theatrical run ended so who knows

 

[psylockolussus]

I doubt that soon LOL maybe September or October. They probably want to put exclusive content on the blue ray.

Captain Marvel is already out in digital HD. Two months and a half after its original release.

And Dark PhoeniX is a flop, so eXpect it to be released in home media earlier than usual. They aren't gonna wait til September or October, because Disney would be releasing their hit movies (Toy Story 4/The Lion King) in those months. Aladdin would probably be released in digital hd at the end of August even if its still earning millions from theaters. Long story short, you don't need to wait 4 to 8 months for a movie (that was released in theaters) to be released in home media.