Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Jh7058622]

Totally different circumstances but nice try at false equivalencies.

That's like saying Spider-Man: Homecoming should have easily been the biggest grosser of all the spidey films with the Marvel push with Iron Man in his film as a supporting character but that didn't happen. In fact Black Panther destroyed it by far. Did that make it a failure? No.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Spider-Man Homecoming grossed $880 million and improved over $170 million from its immediate predecessor. It finished just $10 million short of the highest grossing Spider-Man film ever.

X-Men Apocalypse grossed $543 million and dropped over $200 million from its immediate predecessor.

Both films had roughly the same production budget.

That's why Homecoming is viewed as a success and Apocalypse isn't.

 

[Jh7058622]

Spider-Man Homecoming grossed $880 million and improved over $170 million from its immediate predecessor. It finished just $10 million short of the highest grossing Spider-Man film ever.

X-Men Apocalypse grossed $543 million and dropped over $200 million from its immediate predecessor.

Both films had roughly the same production budget.

That's why Homecoming is viewed as a success and Apocalypse isn't.

No just stop...
DOFP isn't just another X-Men film. That's like comparing the first Avengers gross to Captain America: sequel numbers...

You want to compare something? A brand new franchise without any extra Marvel cameo breaking a billion dollars but Spider-Man featuring Iron Man (their biggests super heroes) could do better than 170 million more added dollars and not coming close to even the best Spidey film? Again this doesn't speak to the films quality as it is irrelevant at this point just pointing out something many just ignore.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The X-men beat...Ant-man. Yay?

 

[Jh7058622]

Are you unable to read as no one said that in this thread...

 

[blackdragon6]

To be fair what really sold Homecoming was that it was tied to the MCU through Iron Man. For what it's worth i dug Homecoming.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Please by all means, explain why Ant-man's disappointing box office was brought up after someone else mentioned Apocalypse was the lowest grossing super hero movie of 2016. Something you agreed to.

 

[Jh7058622]

Read the words and you'll know...

To be fair what really sold Homecoming was that it was tied to the MCU through Iron Man. For what it's worth i dug Homecoming.

That's my point though it should have easily hit a billion dollars but that fact that it didn't doesn't mean it was a failure.

 

[BaronZemo]

The fact that someone here keeps bringing up Ant-man to prove that somejow an X-men movie grossing 500 isn't a failure is just hilarious.

Ant-man 2 will outgross Ant-man and Apoc easily and IS a success. It will increase from it's predeccesor....ITS NOT A DEBATE.

 

[Theweepeople]

I’m curious. Can the supporters and detractors of Dark Phoenix at least agree that this production has an abnormally chaotic production history?

•First time director.

•Release date delayed.

•Post production taking place during a company merger.

Most X-men films deal with chaos behind the scenes but, this is a lot of baggage and the merger is unprecedented during an X-men production.

 

[kevork89]

The fact that someone here keeps bringing up Ant-man to prove that somejow an X-men movie grossing 500 isn't a failure is just hilarious.

Ant-man 2 will outgross Ant-man and Apoc easily and IS a success. It will increase from it's predeccesor....ITS NOT A DEBATE.

Well the point is that most likely Ant Man will be the lowest grossing comic book movie of this year depending on Aquaman. So saying Apocalypse was the lowest grossing CBM of 2016 doesn’t really warrant it being called a massive failure either. The way people jump on one comment here is really atrocious. Calm the f down people.

It’s called simple presenting an example for some references is that ok? Or it’s not allowed because it refers to a Marvel film. Btw I WANT X-Men at Marvel and love everything Marvel gives me.

 

[kevork89]

The X-men beat...Ant-man. Yay?

...and??

A successfully received sequel to well made first film in a massive cinematic universe? That one? There’s no reason this isn’t making Guardians or Doctor Strange numbers but it isn’t. Which is fine it ain’t a failure and rather it’s a really great film. But this is what it is. Right now much like Apocalypse it’s the lowest grossing CBM movie of the year. Facts are facts.

 

[BaronZemo]

Well the point is that most likely Ant Man will be the lowest grossing comic book movie of this year depending on Aquaman. So saying Apocalypse was the lowest grossing CBM of 2016 doesn’t really warrant it being called a massive failure either. The way people jump on one comment here is really atrocious. Calm the f down people.

It’s called simple presenting an example for some references is that ok? Or it’s not allowed because it refers to a Marvel film. Btw I WANT X-Men at Marvel and love everything Marvel gives me.

It is a failure sinCe it was a sequel that grossed 200 less than it's prequel vs Ant-man 2 which will increase close to 100 more than it's predecessor. Simple as hat.

Do you honestly believe that Ant-man and the fraking X-men are comparable? if Fox hadn't wasted theur potential they would be compared to the Avengers. Alas they are not even close

 

[SumT]

Spider-Man Homecoming grossed $880 million and improved over $170 million from its immediate predecessor. It finished just $10 million short of the highest grossing Spider-Man film ever.

X-Men Apocalypse grossed $543 million and dropped over $200 million from its immediate predecessor.

Both films had roughly the same production budget.

That's why Homecoming is viewed as a success and Apocalypse isn't.

Please by all means, explain why Ant-man's disappointing box office was brought up after someone else mentioned Apocalypse was the lowest grossing super hero movie of 2016. Something you agreed to.

Fox's X-Men fans are just so pressed about everything, it must be hard accepting the huge fan dissapointment and dissapointing numbers of the prequels and how basically all other superheroes are doing much much more than the X-Men and not only that, winning all critics at the same time. tough times for x-men fans lol

 

[kevork89]

It is a failure sinCe it was a sequel that grossed 200 less than it's prequel vs Ant-man 2 which will increase close to 100 more than it's predecessor. Simple as hat.

Do you honestly believe that Ant-man and the fraking X-men are comparable? if Fox hadn't wasted theur potential they would be compared to the Avengers. Alas they are not even close

Not disagreeing at all. I agree compared to DoFP. I just don’t think that $543 million is a horrible number. Not the best but not all that bad either.

 

[kevork89]

But anyway no bother in fighting. There’s this horrible passive aggressive mob like mentality in this thread whenever anyone talks about these movies with some kind of hope or positivity.

 

[blackdragon6]

I’m curious. Can the supporters and detractors of Dark Phoenix at least agree that this production has an abnormally chaotic production history?

•First time director.

•Release date delayed.

•Post production taking place during a company merger.

Most X-men films deal with chaos behind the scenes but, this is a lot of baggage and the merger is unprecedented during an X-men production.

If it wasn't for the merger it would probably have been business as usual though.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

It is a failure sinCe it was a sequel that grossed 200 less than it's prequel vs Ant-man 2 which will increase close to 100 more than it's predecessor. Simple as hat.

Do you honestly believe that Ant-man and the fraking X-men are comparable? if Fox hadn't wasted theur potential they would be compared to the Avengers. Alas they are not even close

Agreed. Comparing Ant-Man and the X-men is apples and oranges. Ant-Man is a B-lister and it's kinda amazing that he is getting movies at all...much less a movie that will clear 400 million.

Fox had the rights to the X-men....one of the most popular comic book properties in history. And somehow they could never get them on the same level as Spider-Man, Superman, Batman, and Iron Man with movie audiences. Telling that the movie they cared the least about....Deadpool...was the one that finally broke big for them.

Just comparing X-men with Ant-Man is kind of an insult to the X-men really. This is what it's come to? It's like comparing the box office of Batman with Ghost Rider.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

You are right that it’s normal for reshoots to take place but, there are two films in this series that have delayed release dates. The release delays for both films were announced months after Disney put in their first bid to acquire 20th Century Fox. This seems like more than a coincidence.

It’s a coincidence. Dark Phoenix was delayed so it could have a more profitable release date. I truly believe that and I’m pretty sure it still would’ve happened regardless of the then-potential Disney acquisition.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Dark Phoenix moving three months that early probably wouldn't be considered that big a deal on its own, except it occurred at the exact same time that New Mutants in the same franchise got pushed back well over a year merely a month before it was scheduled to release. What happened to New Mutants is almost unprecedented or at least extremely rare, and a similar lesser delay for Dark Phoenix combined with a questionable writer/director and pending studio merger is a bad look.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

No just stop...
DOFP isn't just another X-Men film. That's like comparing the first Avengers gross to Captain America: sequel numbers...

You want to compare something? A brand new franchise without any extra Marvel cameo breaking a billion dollars but Spider-Man featuring Iron Man (their biggests super heroes) could do better than 170 million more added dollars and not coming close to even the best Spidey film? Again this doesn't speak to the films quality as it is irrelevant at this point just pointing out something many just ignore.

Even taking away the surrounding circumstances of their respective franchises, Homecoming made $340 million more than Apocalypse on a similar budget. It was a bigger success no matter what way you look at it.

 

[SumT]

lol.
he will keep trying, tho.

 

[Nintendo]

I made a poll because I'm genuinely interested in how people feel on the question of whether or not they want Dark Phoenix released in theaters. Obviously the argument against it is because A. It could be bad and B. It could set back Marvel's own X-men plans.

Vote here

 

[henzINNIT]

Homecoming could be considered a weak opening in terms of Iron Man related films. That's a very narrow interpretation though. The film certainly could have done better, but improving on the last Spidey flick is still a solid success for the 6th film, 3rd iteration of the character, 3rd actor in the part in a space of 10 years.

Antman's sequel did better than the first, which is as good as you can hope for. People are quick to point to the MCU connection as a reason for a film's success, but I'd argue it had a more negative effect this time around, with the film being swallowed by Infinity War's success.

Apocalypse dropped off from its predecessor financially and bombed critically. The film was clearly a disappointment. Fox may have been thrifty enough not to lose money on it, but there is surely no argument that they were aiming higher. Dark Phoenix is looking much worse off so far however that is all optics. There is an extreme negative wave in here for good reason, though we won't know a thing til we see the film.

I'm looking forward to the costumes and the prospect of a cool Cyclops action sequence. That is my positive.

I made a poll because I'm genuinely interested in how people feel on the question of whether or not they want Dark Phoenix released in theaters. Obviously the argument against it is because A. It could be bad and B. It could set back Marvel's own X-men plans.

Vote here

I honestly don't care if it gets a theatrical release, but I do hope it is finished and released for home viewing.

 

[psylockolussus]

A Cyclops action sequence? I can't imagine Kinberg giving us that.