Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Cktopl33]

all sounds good and all.....

but these arent normal reshoots, they are fixing the damm movie!

is it that hard to understand this? this is not the typical hollywood reshoots, movie had issues and Fox delayed it and they are fixing the third act, reported by THR and other sites. So no, it cant be just 2 weeks, yikes

stop this damage control non sense. Do yourself a favor lol. none buys it.

Clearly you haven't done yourself any favors since you lack knowledge on basic concepts. You obviously don't understand what the purpose of a reshoot is. There is no such thing as "normal reshoots". So, worry about yourself. There's plenty there for you to focus on. Trust me.

 

[Cktopl33]

Fox's November/Fall tentpole film missing its release date sounds like it should be a big deal no?

So whose fault was it that the reshoots and actors' varying schedules and availabilities weren't factored in to the film's post production?

I don't think it's an issue of not being factored. Reshoots are usually filmed long after a film has wrapped shooting and (as stated many times) based on actor availability. Sophie Turner likely already had contractual obligations for shooting Game of Thrones after working on Dark Phoenix since she's been shooting on the show for a while now, so Fox probably knew any availability for reshoots would be months down the line. Add to that the other cast members schedules aligning with Sophie's. I don't think there would be any different options. Even Marvel had to push back their "scheduled" reshoots from the summer to September for Avengers 4.

Now take those two movies: There's 15 months between when Dark Phoenix wrapped and it's Feb release date. With Avengers 4, there's ALSO equal number of months (15) between when that film wrapped and it's May release date. Having such a large span of months between release wouldn't be unusual. Fox obviously felt the release date wasn't set in stone since they were already privately talking about moving it anyway for other reasons and there also were no official trailer or marketing materials solidifying a date.

 

[EnDz0n3]

You're comparing this movie to Avengers 4 that was filmed starting in August last year (timed shortly after Infinity War wrapped) and was always meant to be released a year after Avengers 3.

You're comparing this movie to a film whose release date was actually moved UP, not delayed 3 months because it was scared to go head-to-head with The Nutcracker, which funnily enough is also mired by production controversy and reshoots. (Wouldn't it be ironic if The Nutcracker underperforms on that date?)

You're comparing this film to the sequel to a $2Billion grosser, Infinity War, only the 4th movie to do so in history, whose production budget was at $300-400Million.

Let me be the first to tell you that Dark Phoenix will not be Avengers 4.

Do you think a normal director (ie. a non-Kinberg) needs all that time to "perfect" a movie that's probably only expected by the studio to make a little over a quarter of that box office, if it's lucky? The production was afforded a fairly lengthy post-production schedule as it is with the original November release date (13 months between production wrapping and its release date was already highly unusual, so please stop putting lipstick on that pig).

Fox obviously values Kinberg for some reason for them to reward him so. I would say it was a benefit after years of having Rothman pull the rug from under the franchise for so long.

But it's hard for me to see how the writer of X-men 3, Fant4stic, Apocalypse directing your movie is ever a good thing. Maybe that's easier for you?

 

[Jh7058622]

Who cares what movie it happens to follow? A reshoot is a reshoot. Are you Marvel's spin doctor or something? Stop being more allowing to Marvel it is a clear sign of bias.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

What is that?

 

[Dark Raven]

What is that?

A camera lens? Maybe this time he'll remember to take the lens cap off.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Hans Zimmer will score the upcoming 'WONDER WOMAN 1984.'

I hope he's still making Dark Phoenix.

 

[icekid]

I hope he's still making Dark Phoenix.

I don’t see why not, that’s usually the last 2 months of production and one comes out in February 19 and the other November 19. Do we have any other confirmation he was ever doing Dark Phoenix aside from Evan Peters’ name drop?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

He better be. I was stoked because we’d, at the very least, have a fantastic score.

 

[Cktopl33]

You're comparing this movie to Avengers 4 that was filmed starting in August last year (timed shortly after Infinity War wrapped) and was always meant to be released a year after Avengers 3.

You're comparing this movie to a film whose release date was actually moved UP, not delayed 3 months because it was scared to go head-to-head with The Nutcracker, which funnily enough is also mired by production controversy and reshoots. (Wouldn't it be ironic if The Nutcracker underperforms on that date?)

You're comparing this film to the sequel to a $2Billion grosser, Infinity War, only the 4th movie to do so in history, whose production budget was at $300-400Million.

Let me be the first to tell you that Dark Phoenix will not be Avengers 4.

Do you think a normal director (ie. a non-Kinberg) needs all that time to "perfect" a movie that's probably only expected by the studio to make a little over a quarter of that box office, if it's lucky? The production was afforded a fairly lengthy post-production schedule as it is with the original November release date (13 months between production wrapping and its release date was already highly unusual, so please stop putting lipstick on that pig).

Fox obviously values Kinberg for some reason for them to reward him so. I would say it was a benefit after years of having Rothman pull the rug from under the franchise for so long.

But it's hard for me to see how the writer of X-men 3, Fant4stic, Apocalypse directing your movie is ever a good thing. Maybe that's easier for you?

No Endzo. I'm comparing the months between shooting and releasing.....exactly as I stated....if you can read. It's not unusual if the demand for post-production require it. The movie has the largest set pieces of the entire franchise with more emphasis on establishing variation within the visual effects than the other x-men movies. And yes, after Apocalypse I know I certainly would want the extra time to perfect the next film. I'm glad they're extending the post production process. It's needed. Most of the film has already been shot. It been in post work all this time. It wouldn't seem out of the ordinary to allow additional space for post if the delayed time in getting the cast together for reshoots could possibly cause a rushed post process. That's most likely why they decided, probably shortly after wrapping production before any news broke about release date reshuffles, to change the date because they anticipated availability for reshoots would be pushing close to the original set date. If Turner didn't have to shoot GOT, I think they likely would have wrap the film to their satisfaction for November release, whether they decided to keep that date or not.

I think anybody already know Dark Phoenix won't be Avengers 4 because the Avenger films tend to follow a set formula, whereas Dark Phoenix is said to be a change in tone much like the solo films have been doing lately. I think Fox went with Kinberg because, 1) he's a collaborator that's well liked in the industry 2) they liked the pitch he made for the movie and he has familiarity with the franchise. I don't know what the completed Kinberg film will look like. I haven't seen it. I haven't seen an x-men movie solely written by him. He's only been a collaborator on these movies so I'm open to a change from the previous film and see how different his vision is on the franchise. There's never been an x-men film based solely on one creative vision of director to writer. And there's nothing to lose if x-men are going to be completely rebooted in the MCU anyway, so I at least want to see how this one is wrapped because I like the cast. So much time has been spent on post that I want to see what that looks like since its never been seen on an x-men film. I don't mind if it's a more serious film like Logan, I'd think that would be interesting change for the main films. I'm glad its darker after that silly goofy Apocalypse. It's said to be closer to First Class which doesn't bother me. That was well made with good effects, I just didn't care for the characters chosen. I wasn't bothered by the First Look images released for Dark Phoenix. Mystique looked closer to her comic version than she ever has before in these films. I thought they looked better than Apocalypse, so I'm curious to see the final product with the team Kinberg put together from cinematographer to composer to editor.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Who cares what movie it happens to follow? A reshoot is a reshoot. Are you Marvel's spin doctor or something? Stop being more allowing to Marvel it is a clear sign of bias.

Let’s see how the production has been covered on these boards by some here.

The film secures a November release date. "That’s great! Apocalypse suffered from a full summer line up.* November is perfect for awards season! Perhaps a Best Picture and Best Actress nom for Sophie!”

The film is delayed 3 months. Nothing to see here the production said: It was always meant to move there (which you guys then proceeded to parrot), besides it's probably better to move away from that November release date.

The film would undergo "major" reshoots and would cost $10Million. Nothing to see here you guys said: That’ll only last 2 weeks, that's just normal reshoots, the article writer only said "major" for sensationalism.

La Presse reports that the reshoots will last 3 months, with a quote from the CEO of the film board of Quebec, and possibly a higher price tag. Nothing to see here you guys said: Fake News!

Nightcrawler's stunt double says he'll be in Montreal for 7 weeks. Nothing to see here someone here said: Maybe the note was handwritten and it was meant to say "2 weeks."

But sure I’m the one spin doctoring?

There's nothing for me to clean up. MCU films are doing (more than) fine.

*Edit: This I actually agree with. November release was a good choice.

 

[SumT]

fans trying to do a better damage control than the own studio

 

[icekid]

He better be. I was stoked because we’d, at the very least, have a fantastic score.

Quoted for truth. It was the only good thing we had gotten out of X3. That and any of the score associated with Phoenix have been my favorites out of any of the movies, X2, X3, and Apocalypse. Apocalypse had a nice touch with Jean’s theme reoccurring through the movie in scenes with her but without making it obvious that it was her theme until she walked into the astral plane fight. Can’t wait to hear what Hans does and his new X-Men theme!

 

[Erik Lensherr]

fans trying to do a better damage control than the own studio

It is enough. It's hard to create open discussion when you're poisoning the well like this.

 

[1627523]

I hope he's still making Dark Phoenix.

Im not really trying to be an apologist but I think there's really nothing to worry about. Micheal Giachino scored both Homecoming and War For The Planet Apes and those movies came out literally A WEEK APART. I'm guessing this will help put everything in perspective for u. Composers score multiple movies in a year and sometimes at the same time.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

New Dark Phoenix pic from Kinbergs Instagram stories

 

[Derrick]

I'm hoping this movie gets kiboshed. It just sounds like another repeat of X3: The Last Stand, which was awful (even worse than X-Men: Apocalypse).

The movie won't be interesting if it's another schizo storyline, but the phoenix entity is way too complex for moviegoers like me.

Fox should just do itself a big favour and end production on this mess in order to prevent embarassing themselves.

Let Disney re-evaluate the franchise and figure out how to do it right.

Rather have the stories of the Joss Whedon years, with those characters, albeit with a smaller and older Wolverine. Cannot believe the comics made him tall because Mr Hugh Jackman got the role.

 

[Superhero 101]

I really wish we got some new material like an article

 

[psyonic]

If not Lilandra, she better be Cassandra Nova instead of a random Alien race Queen human hybrid shape-shifting impersonator..

 

[Cktopl33]

If not Lilandra, she better be Cassandra Nova instead of a random Alien race Queen human hybrid shape-shifting impersonator..

Or possibly an "illusionist". Her character was intentionally kept mysterious/secret and it isn't the fact that she can shift her appearance (they've already revealed that part of her character). She is said to manipulate Jean.

What she realizes is she can use [Jean Grey] to manipulate this world, to turn it against itself.

And they didn't call her an alien.

The latest reports also describe Chastain's villain as an "otherworldly shapeshifter". Does that relate to her illusion powers, or is it more literal

another theory sees Chastain as a female version of Mastermind. In the comics, Mastermind aka Jason Wyngarde manipulates Jean Grey with his illusion powers. He makes her believe she is reliving the life of her ancestor. His illusions eventually turn Jean Grey against the X-Men and unleash the Dark Phoenix. In order to compensate that Chastain shapeshifts, this theory believes her illusions allow her to change appearance and “shapeshift.”

 

[psyonic]

Or possibly an "illusionist". Her character was intentionally kept mysterious/secret and it isn't the fact that she can shift her appearance (they've already revealed that part of her character). She is said to manipulate Jean. And they didn't call her an alien.

That's interesting. I don't know how well people will receive the idea of Jean being manipulated and the first 1-2 acts is all in Jean's head and in the third act the illusion breaks and it is revealed and she unleashes Dark Phoenix as a result. It was done in the animated series/comics when Jean was on the boat with Mastermind as lovers and when the illusion finally breaks she unleashes DP.

Maybe the audience is led to believe this illusion is real as well? But that seems a bit too creative/ intelligent for Kinberg to think of. lol. Also the caption for the new Chastain picture says "Hypnotizing" so maybe she is a hypnotizer type villain, maybe even Emma Frost?

Hmm we're probably giving Kinberg too much credit and she is actually just an alien shapeshifter. You can manipulate Jean by shape shifting into her dad, mom, childhood best friend, Xavier etc.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Do we have any other confirmation he was ever doing Dark Phoenix aside from Evan Peters’ name drop?

X Men, he's been working on that for a long time. But since the film seems to be under heavy reshoots all the time, he doesn't even know when the whole thing is gonna be finished.

As for X-Men, no, he's definitely NOT quitting it, no matter what's going on with the production.

http://hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=news_3&comment=1&id_news=1102

 

[icekid]

http://hans-zimmer.com/index.php?rub=news_3&comment=1&id_news=1102

Great to hear. I will add that the comments seem to come from people around him and as they mention heavy reshoots, it’s foesnt bode well for the “2 weeks” narrative id been reluctantly backing. I think it’s more in the middle of both sides of that debate now. And hey, if the movie is crap, at least we’d have a fantastic score! I listen to Dark Phoenix’s Tragedy the other day and that movie was a total dumpster fire! 12 years of playability isn’t bad. Here’s to the next 12!

 

[Cktopl33]

Great to hear. I will add that the comments seem to come from people around him and as they mention heavy reshoots, it’s foesnt bode well for the “2 weeks” narrative id been reluctantly backing. I think it’s more in the middle of both sides of that debate now. And hey, if the movie is crap, at least we’d have a fantastic score! I listen to Dark Phoenix’s Tragedy the other day and that movie was a total dumpster fire! 12 years of playability isn’t bad. Here’s to the next 12!

You have to remember Chastain and McAvoy won't be done filming It ch.2 until October so they likely have to extend to include them when they're available. If it were significant reshoots of 3 full months, then it won't meet the February release date. That's not enough time for post to deal with so much new additional footage. It doesn't make any sense because they would have pushed the release date even farther back than the 2-3 months. It would also be a significant waste of time and money if they knew a large amount of reshoots were needed ahead of time near the beginning of the year (they made the announcement of reshoots back in March) yet post production has been working on what was already shot all this time since the film wrapped in Oct last year (remember VFX companies show the film had been in production).

 

[Cktopl33]

That's interesting. I don't know how well people will receive the idea of Jean being manipulated and the first 1-2 acts is all in Jean's head and in the third act the illusion breaks and it is revealed and she unleashes Dark Phoenix as a result. It was done in the animated series/comics when Jean was on the boat with Mastermind as lovers and when the illusion finally breaks she unleashes DP.

Maybe the audience is led to believe this illusion is real as well? But that seems a bit too creative/ intelligent for Kinberg to think of. lol. Also the caption for the new Chastain picture says "Hypnotizing" so maybe she is a hypnotizer type villain, maybe even Emma Frost?

Hmm we're probably giving Kinberg too much credit and she is actually just an alien shapeshifter. You can manipulate Jean by shape shifting into her dad, mom, childhood best friend, Xavier etc.

I mean.....Jean being manipulated is part of the story of Dark Phoenix, not only manipulation from Mastermind, but also Professor X placing psychic barriers in her head dampening her powers. I don't know exactly how Chastain manipulates Jean but I do like Chastain's eerie appearance. It is possible that certain sequences were edited in different arrangements from the multiple screenings based on some accounts. So they could be keeping some things secret that involve visual effects since the VFX were still being worked on at that time. A person who's friend was part of the cast extras said it's possible some things were used as a smokescreen for something else to keep certain info secret. We do know a major twist is suppose to occur midway through the movie.

If the film is suppose to be grounded, then there's a possibility that anything dealing with aliens could be generated by Jean as a result of Chastain's manipulation. Or it could be something else. The world is suppose to be turned against itself through Jean because of Chastain. Mastermind's illusions do not actually exist but only in a person's head. His abilities are described as "something akin to a psionic virus, which he plants in to the mind of the victim and allows to grow and change according to their view and feelings".

The film was described by Fox staff at CineEurope as a sci-fi thriller and Kinberg said the film was more loyal to the original comic than X3, so Chastain playing a role similar to mastermind would make sense because he too could disguise his appearance and manipulate others that way. He plays a much bigger role in the story than the Shi'ar. They only show up a short while when their vessel is attacked and then don't appear again until the last part of the story.