Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[JP]

Hi,

From an insider from movie theaters chain Cinepolis, it is confirmed the trailer is ready to be screened after 9/28, which fits the chinese X-Men account. From what I was told, the trailer is not tied to a specific movie (at least for Mexico and Latin America).

Online Wednesday morning, I bet.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Cannot wait!

 

[kineticist]

Finally.

 

[Cktopl33]

That's probably the first time I've heard of anyone complaining that the X-men mainline films were "several different viewpoints meshed together." (Yes the franchise is notorious for its continuity issues but that's not because its director is one of many writers.)

Even if other fans did complain that the writer and director are two different people (which, again is a thing people have never complained about) I'd be interested to hear why the heck they'd be ok with that "unified vision" coming from the hack who wrote X3, Fant4stic and Apocalypse. After all, it's been a consensus amongst fans that those three, along with Wolverine 1, are some of worst in the franchise.

So Kinberg probably wouldn't have been their first (or 6th) choice. Unlike you, most people can see Kinberg is as much to blame for those films. I'd hazard a guess that some X-men film fans are only ok with that hack now, and would defend him, because he's working on their favourite franchise.

X3, Fantastic4, and Apocalypse were not made based on a unified vision. Each writer has some input on the final script they are credited on in addition to the director who also can alter the script. Those films all had multiple writers. Simon Kinberg was not the sole writer for any of those movies nor did he have complete creative freedom as he has stated previously. Dark Phoenix is the first x-men movie to be written and directed by the same person without the clutter of too many writers.

Were you not one of the many people who have praised Kinberg for being a great producer? And yet here you are saying he wasn't and did not need to be on the F4 set. That might be a valid excuse for a hired writer. But no, Kinberg was producer and writer of the film. "Genre Films" aka "Kinberg Genre" is credited for the film. For a very troubled film with a very high price tag, you don't think the studio would've wanted all-hands-on-deck, especially its producer? Kinberg is also one of Hollywood's "top" script doctors. They were bound to have someone with Kinberg's "talents" on-hand.

But no, you say he was never there.

So why is it you want to place Kinberg as far away from the Fant4stic set as possible? Is it because you don't want to admit that he shares the blame for Trank's Fant4stic? Nice try.

Well, let me break it down for you to make it easier to understand since I see you struggling. 1st of all, there were 5 producers on the film. He's a co-producer. Not the sole producer. There are SEVERAL additional production companies attached to this movie, not just Kinberg Genre. So it wasn't necessary for him to be on set when other producers can step in while Fox hired him to start work on Apocalypse with Singer and the other co-writers of that movie. So, I'm not "placing" Kinberg anywhere. I'm stating what the situation was. He was hired by Fox to start work on Apocalypse (AND he was also working on Star Wars material). Fox hired another team to handle Fantastic4's issues. Kinberg was busy on other projects by the time reshoots were ordered. I don't have to "try" because I'm not the one struggling here. Hold up a mirror, Endzo.

 

[lofoa82]

Online Wednesday morning, I bet.

I hope so! The sooner, the better! According to this PR person, Fox Latin America requested to start screening the trailer after the 28th, so you're right, surely Fox will do the premiere of the trailer worldwide online probably wednesday. The trailer has already been added to Cinepolis trailers reel, which means they should have gotten the trailer from Fox probably days ago or even weeks, since they needed to add subtitles, put it into the reel, etc.

If this is happening for latin america, I'm pretty sure that US theaters got the trailer probably even earlier.

Another thing that she told me about, is that there will be Fox licensed merchandise (this is done a lot by Cinepolis in latin america). Of course the merchandise has not been produced yet but it will be special soda cups with small figures over a plastic straw (I'll try and get pictures!) From her descriptions, there were a beast and nightcrawler editions BUT the thing that intrigued me is that it appears there will be a Logan edition, as she mentions that on one cup, it had Logan on his tank top and jacket.

I don't think Wolverine will appear. Not even a cameo (?). Probably Cinepolis just want to milk the franchise with the most known characters of the franchise. Kinda weird Fox approved, though, as it sounds more logical to market the characters that WILL appear in the movie.

 

[EnDz0n3]

1st of all, there were 5 producers on the film. He's a co-producer. Not the sole producer. There are SEVERAL additional production companies attached to this movie, not just Kinberg Genre. So it wasn't necessary for him to be on set when other producers can step in while Fox hired him to start work on Apocalypse with Singer and the other co-writers of that movie. So, I'm not "placing" Kinberg anywhere.

Where are any of those other producers when Simon Kinberg was doing clean up media interviews upon the film's pre-release?

Where are any of those producers in this SDCC Panel?



Isn't it quite telling that along with the Fab Four, plus the Doctor Doom actor and the film's director, Simon is the only one of those producers there a month before the movie's release? Not even Hutch Parker (another Fox producer that's also worked on other Fox Marvel projects) was invited on stage. But you want people to believe that Simon Kinberg barely worked on that film?

Anyways, I refuse to believe anyone here is dumb enough to believe any of that. What I do believe is that the Dark Phoenix sf/x in that trailer should be quite polished. There should be no excuses in that regard. They've wrapped Principal Photography for 11 months now!

 

[kineticist]

Anyone get tired of having the same conversation over and over? No?

Anyway, I wonder if we'll get some sort of tease tomorrow/wednesday or if they'll just go for a "surprise"

 

[lofoa82]

Here it is a video of the merchandise.



Probably old news in this forum, but I wasn't aware of this, and confirms what the person from PR mentioned. Still intrigued why there's a Wolverine figure in the catalogue.

I'm thinking crazy (I know), but what if the re-shoots are to give to the Foxverse a proper send off? (At least regarding the X-Men movies, as I know New Mutants will be released next year as well). Probably an epilogue at the end of Dark Phoenix? It would be great to see the original trilogy actors back for a cameo on this new timeline again (without Jean probably... if the leaked script is true), but it will be great to see an epilogue at the end, years after Dark Phoenix, and why not, finally see Jackman in a Wolverine suit at least for one shot.

Also, am I the only one daydreaming that this movie can open with the Animated Series song in an orchestral version?

 

[SmartBox12]

 

[icekid]

I’ve been thinking about how to boot XMen into the MCU with OR without it’s current continuity which may end with Dark Phoenix and I think I found a solve and want thoughts on it.

You can’t have a world that hates and fears them if so far there hasn’t been a single mention of mutants for obvious reason so why would one or two films later would I believe that they were always around? Spoiler boxed for length.

Spoiler

Xavier has always teetered the line of inspirational man and arragoant *******,which the former is what we’ve mainly seen in the current films outside of X3 and how he handled Jean and was pretty dismissive of everyone around him outside of his conversations with Storm. So what if something happened to drive him touse his abilities in combination with an amplified Cerebro to permanently keep himself and mutant kind a secret and alter the memories and current lives of everyone alive to fit that narrative. Think of it just as he does in small instances like when he freezes a museum or makes soldiers not see his team in the back of a truck, even just randomly poping up in the Oval Office during a press conference, but constantly and all over the world at the same time. Basically what Apocalypse wanted to do without direct manipulation of their behaviors and free will. The X-Men and other mutants in his school don’t feel completely threatened by it as they have been trained in protection against telepaths like we’ve seen in the comics. Let’s say the events of end of Dark Phoenix drives him to take that action should they move forward with intergrating rather than rebooting. If they reboot they can have the event be a mystery that reveals itself during their first team movie.

In the time that has been happening, decades even, he has been in suspended animation or coma leading his teams telepathically. This means the X-Men could act as a completely covert division, arriving to mutants when their mutations start at puberty or if they are completely non human like, birth as he detects mutant brain patterns dispatches various teams. They can either shelter their families or save the mutant. They also fight and thwart plots by other mutants not sided with them.

The moment that leads to the “world that hates and fears them” is Infinity War and it’s sequel, and whichever outcome be it the dusting/undusting or probable destruction of infinity stones as a surge comes with that as what disrupts Cerebro and the cover they had. No man should have that much power and use it and the fact that someone has is what drives the fear which leads to the active hate and segregation which we’re used to in the comics. I’m talking full blown “no more mutants” revolution worldwide. That’s the world I want to see on screen.

The above plot can even be a movie in itself with the big moment being the middle twist. The X-Men teams themselves can take a stance and want to reveal themselves and their kind with the surfacing of superhuman beings like The Avengers driving a wedge between them and Xavier which we’ve gotten used to in recent years until his death in the comics.

It also answers the decades old question of “Why would a world that loves The Avengers and Fantastic Four hate the X-Men”.

It also gives an option to use Dark Phoenix as the driving force that caused it all or reboot entirely. Personally I want a reboot, but the above is what I see as the only way to not have a pubescent team which I don’t want as I don’t see the X-Men we know and love as that being the best version of themselves. Even mid 20s i’ll take as it gives the iteration of those rebooted characters longevity and can seamlessly team up/battle established characters.

 

[BMM]

I don’t know how Marvel will approach the introduction of mutants to the MCU, but they’ve laid the groundwork for a segment of society that shows an increasing distrust of super powered beings. If the events that transpired in NYC and Sokovia are enough to make people turn on the Avengers, what will the events of Infinity War, where half the world’s population was wiped out, do?

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Elayis]

Is McAvoy wearing a baldcap with tracking dots in those pics?

 

[Charzhin0]

Im pretty sure from the sources, set leaks and dates; the reshoots were predominantly to shoot tweaked versions of exisiting action scenes, rather than changing the story.

From comicbook.com article today:

I wanted the post time to deliver on the nuance of the visual effects, not just the scale of them. That takes time," Kinberg explained of the scheduled post-production time.

This could mean that it wasn't until the film was far along in the visual effects process that the studio realized some scenes needed to be re-worked, necessitating reshoots and more time for the visual effects to be completed. Star Sophie Turner teased the minimal amount of reshoots earlier this year, dismissing the idea that there were any major tweaks to the narrative.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[JP]

wouldn't be surprised if we hear something today about tomorrow....

or tomorrow about thursday lol....

 

[JP]

reddit....

 

[Erik Lensherr]

reddit....

What Reddit?

 

[imbruglia]

thanks. just saw that. looks like trailer is full ready.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Now I see it


JEAN!!!

 

[imbruglia]

story looks like same as spoiler leak. I'm not sure the trailer is enough to wow the crowd tho.
I guess the death scene is related to mystique.

 

[imbruglia]

based on that trailer. the leaked reddit spoiler was right.
'X-Men: Dark Phoenix' Spoilers Leak Online - And They Aren't Good

 

[The Original Bamfer]

What the hell? Link?

 

[xrs13]

Cinematographically looks good to me!

 

[Justice4#Rouge]

Brace yourself for the haters lol .....
From the little I saw( or the little I could understand I should say lol), I like how dark it seemed, they weren’t kidding about that. Also the vfx are on point