Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Zarex]

Basically. Its my biggest issue with this movie/trailer. Magneto and Charles are and will always be front and center on each x-men movie, with the x-men coming after (some of them just for 4-5 lines). This is not paying justice to the x-men. This is a mediocre approach.

I got some guff for it on another thread, but I'm kinda hoping Charles and Erik are out of the picture in the eventual MCU reboot. I don't care if they are retired, dead or off-planet, but take them out of the picture and put other mutants in charge of the school (Scott and Jean? Hank?) and leading the Brotherhood (I could go for a non-JLaw Mystique Destiny, Rogue trio). They are great characters and have been portrayed by wonderful actors, but the two of them need to take a break.

 

[Donner]

I would prefer this movie to focus more on Cyclops and Jean and Storm.

I agree with everyone here about Magneto and Charles. We went through all of this with the OT and First Class and DOFP and Apocalypse. Their bickering needs to take a backseat, FFS.

 

[psylockolussus]

I'm saying the younger actors will be passed over in favour of McAvoy and Fassbender.. and that people are more interested in the timeline moving forward than being stuck in the past.

Well they didn't learn from Apocalypse. The X-men though are dead in the present timeline based from Logan and the Gifted.

 

[SumT]

I think Kinberg does genuinely care about X-Men and wants to redeem the mistakes made with Phoenix. It's admirable

Kinberg doesnt really care about half the x-men. if some of you on here really think that, you havent payed too much attention to the franchise in these 18 years and soon 7 team movies.

Rogue's role in Dofp
Colossus in Dofp
Havok in Dofp
Emma being killed off and never back (same with Banshee)
Jubilee in Apocalypse
Storm in Apocalypse
Psylocke in Apocalypse
Angel in X3 and Apocalypse (both written by Kinberg)

9 x-men right there. wasted/underused, with some of them even killed and never appearing again on this franchise.

yeah, he really loves the X-Men. There is no way in hell any fan of the source material can excuse this treatment. A writer can fail once, 10 years ago (there was another writer and a stupid CEO), but 10 years later with a lot more experience? no excuses accepted. not anymore.

 

[psyonic]

Again you think that would change with the OC?

Its like the marvel situation. people always assume the unknown will be how they wanted it to be because the known certainly isn't.



It makes no difference at all.

I'm saying had they got actors that are in the same acting calibre as McAvoy and Fassbender, to play the younger X-Men, perhaps they don't need Erik and Charles to emotionally anchor the film every time.

 

[psylockolussus]

No, I haven't seen it, but I'm not the one affirming it will be a good or bad movie.

When I've been positive? I'm cautious. Although I've liked so far the tone of the trailer.

I'm free to make a prediction. I don't see you asking that asinine question to posters that think it would be good.

 

[Lip]

I got some guff for it on another thread, but I'm kinda hoping Charles and Erik are out of the picture in the eventual MCU reboot. I don't care if they are retired, dead or off-planet, but take them out of the picture and put literally any other mutant in charge of the school and leading the Brotherhood. They are great characters and have been portrayed by wonderful actors, but the two of them need to take a break.

I was bringing this up in the MCU X-Men thread. I do think Eric will be out for quite sometime because they have big villains like Sinister and a massive one with Doom to use in the MCU. But Charles is a different story. I do hope Charles is out of the picture in the MCU. And it would be nice to see his ideology represented by the X-Men themselves.

I was expecting Charles and Eric to have a big role in Dark Phoenix given who Kinberg is and that EW magazine. But actually seeing them taking over the trailer with the same BS is so... unbelieable. But here we are with another Charles and Eric centric story.

 

[TheVileOne]

So...is Jessica Chastain supposed to be the Dark Phoenix entity?

 

[GuestStar2004]

Xavier and Magneto are iconic to this series. after all even the TV shows legion and The gifted have big connections to those 2 characters.
You can even tell the gifted has taken notes from the relationship between the 2 with Polaris taking a similar stand to what magneto does to the other team.

Its that moral right and wrong that Xavier and Magneto stand by that you either agree with one or you agree with the other.

 

[TheVileOne]

Xavier and Magneto are iconic to this series. after all even the TV shows legion and The gifted have big connections to those 2 characters.
You can even tell the gifted has taken notes from the relationship between the 2 with Polaris taking a similar stand to what magneto does to the other team.

Its that moral right and wrong that Xavier and Magneto stand by that. you either agree with one or you agree with the other.

Dark Phoenix doesn't agree with either.

 

[SumT]

I'm saying had they got actors that are in the same acting calibre as McAvoy and Fassbender, to play the younger X-Men, perhaps they don't need Erik and Charles to emotionally anchor the film every time.

Chris H. isnt on the same calibre as Cate Blanchet, yet he was the main role in Thor Ragnarok.
Chris Evans isnt on the same calibre as Samuel L. Jackson, Ruffalo or Robert Jr., yet he has had a great role on the Avengers franchise.

Using that argument is just a lazy excuse to justify Magneto overexposition.

Tye Sheridan was the lead actor on Ready player one, an actor of just 20 years, and that movie made more than X-Men: Apocalypse, a movie with Mcavoy, Michael Fassbender and the Oscar winner Jennifer Lawrence as the top billed cast.

these "talent/A-list names" excuse isnt how the movie and general audience really work. Its about how the studio/writers treat the characters, the tittle characters. This franchise is called X-Men, the x-men in all mediums (comics and animated shows) have always been Cyclops, Jean, Storm, Wolverine, Rogue, Iceman, Beast, Angel, Nightcrawler....

Fox is ignoring this core factor, and is just focusing on the supposed A-list actors that bring the money. Something proved to be false, after Assassins creed, Red sparrow, Passengers or Alien Covenant.

 

[The Infernal]

Because they are the same calibre as Mcavoy, fassbender, stewart or mckellen?

it doesn't matter whether they are young X-Men, old X-Men, thats not what its about.

But you never know maybe marvel will hire the rock to play cyclops and then people can be happy they finally got a big manly man of manliness to play Cyclops as a total badass. unlike young adults... who do they think they are? spider-man? pft!

Honestly I hope when Feige does reboot the X-men much more like their 90's version. Something I think the first X-men strived for but didn't hit the mark entirely. I'm tired of seeing a decade worth of origin pr0n of wrong looking actors who will never resemble the character and will probably leave before they get to that age.

Also, seeing Selene/Arclight mkII just reminds me how I've come to hate the Foxverse designs over the years.

 

[kevork89]

I do agree that Charles/Erik relationship and their struggles is really overdone in this franchise now. Honestly at this point I don’t even think it’s about the actors it’s just the laziness of Fox to actually give the chances to the characters that deserve it. They’d rather do the same old cause it’s easy. I love the dynamic of these characters. Always have and always will and James/Patrick/Michael/Ian has been the best casting for the characters. But it’s time they give us a break from this.

 

[SumT]

I mean...... Chris Pratt was a nobody when Guardians 1 got released, Zoe wasnt/isnt an A-list actress, and was in full make up, the other actor was a boxer I never heard about, and James Gunn wasnt an A-list director...... yet Guardians made more than 770m worlwide.

The fact that Fox and producers still fail to realize that the A-list actors arent the reason the superhero movies succeed is crazy, in my opinion. They really fail to understand why the X-Men are one of the most popular superhero teams ever after these 50 years. They really dont get it.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Although i do think people are over confident with marvels approach to X-Men since i don't think its gonna go the way people think its gonna go, and basically the way people think its gonna go is however they want it to go... Marvel have made subconscious promises to the fans that they never actually made.

I remember alot of people were speculating that Marvel would revive the animated series and i am still puzzled why people think that? its almost like fans have transfixed marvel into this company that wants to give the fans everything they wanna see... when really what its gonna come down to is you will get what they give you and you will accept it because where else can the franchise go after marvel get it?

The Russo brothers said if they could have used any character from FOX it would be Wolverine. doesn't matter whether they already had loads of focus, they want to use Wolverine... what about the others? i dunno, they didn't mention them.

 

[The Infernal]

So...is Jessica Chastain supposed to be the Dark Phoenix entity?

I dunno. I just floated that idea a few pages back, but I'm guessing she may be like a female Onslaught.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Dark Phoenix doesn't agree with either.

When its about Jean being a good person doing bad things then yeah there is a Moral there.

 

[Lip]

Also, seeing Selene/Arclight mkII just reminds me how I've come to hate the Foxverse designs over the years.

Looking back, I'm very happy Kinberg decided not to move forward with the individual costumes, especially the ones inspired by the 90s. It would hardly look good and it opens the door for Marvel Studios to get them right. It's exciting.

Always have and always will and James/Patrick/Michael/Ian has been the best casting for the characters. But it’s time they give us a break from this.

I think it was time to take a break since, at the very least, 2011. And it's not just about prioritizing them over the other characters, but also recycling the same formula, the same story, over and over. Geez.

 

[TheVileOne]

I dunno. I just floated that idea a few pages back, but I'm guessing she may be like a female Onslaught.

LOL, that would be hilarious.

 

[GuestStar2004]

especially the ones inspired by the 90s. It would hardly look good and it opens the door for Marvel Studios to get them right. It's exciting.

Lucky marvel have other costumes to choose from also. might be one of those subconcious promises they didn't give but still they ain't limited to the 90s outfits either way.

 

[SumT]

I think it was time to take a break since, at the very least, 2011. And it's not just about prioritizing them over the other characters, but also recycling the same formula, the same story, over and over. Geez.

Many viewers/fans have given up on this franchise in part because of that. The Magneto-Charles plot/subplot and the waste of iconic x-men, both things connected, have led to many viewers leaving since X3.

Fox always had the characters, the X-Men, but after some years, they never delivered with them. they just got lost in the midle. and here we are again with Magneto and charles having the most lines on the 7th X-Men movie, where Jean and Cyclops should be the ones with most lines, not the damm Magneto. Hell, in any case Chastain should have the most lines, being the main villain, but no, Magneto, the male character, gotta have the most lines, aside from Charles (another male character). Isnt it ironic? being this the 'first' female centric x-men movie, called Dark Phoenix.

Jessica was praising the females characters treatment.... then, why the male characters have the most lines on the teaser?

this is Hollywood and Fox right there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Jessica was praising the females characters treatment.... then, why the male characters have the most lines on the teaser?

Its a teaser.

 

[Ordet]

Kids, please don't cry.
this is the last time that they bring away your games, then you'll be able to play with your coloured dolls as you are doing now with the Avengers muppets.

Wait a Little more

 

[Detective Conan]

Although i do think people are over confident with marvels approach to X-Men since i don't think its gonna go the way people think its gonna go, and basically the way people think its gonna go is however they want it to go... Marvel have made subconscious promises to the fans that they never actually made.

I think Marvel’s approach to the X-Men will be sort of similar to their approach with Spider-Man which is do stuff from the comics that is fresh and new territory for the films because the movies before never touched on them before. I also trust Marvel will do the prudent thing and not have Magneto as the villian in the first film instead going for someone who hasn’t been on screen yet. I think Marvel will use new ideas from the comics that have never been explored before in the films. At least it won’t feel like a retread like this looks like it’s going to be.

 

[SumT]

agreed.

to be worried about Marvel Studios sounds like a joke to me lol