Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[JP]

Sophie basically confirmed Kinberg ghost directed FF and Apocalypse

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[xrs13]

Sophie basically confirmed Kinberg ghost directed FF and Apocalypse

Is that a good or bad thing ?

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[JP]

Is that a good or bad thing ?

It’s what a few of us have been saying for a year. 2 bad films written and partially directed by Simon Kinberg.


Anyway the highlight of the panel for me was Sophie talking about Tye getting to be the male lead and how she knew that’s never really happened before in these movies and Cyclops fans will be pleased.

 

[xrs13]

It’s what a few of us have been saying for a year. 2 bad films written and partially directed by Simon Kinberg.


Anyway the highlight of the panel for me was Sophie talking about Tye getting to be the male lead and how she knew that’s never really happened before in these movies and Cyclops fans will be pleased.

I’m not his biggest fan by any means but is it not potentially likely that the reason they failed is something else and then he had to step in to try and save them ?

Is fox rewarding him his own film because what he made was better in the end than what would have happened with Trank and Singer. We heard they were having problems throughout filming so Kinberg seems to have stepped in to help

 

[Iceman]

It’s what a few of us have been saying for a year. 2 bad films written and partially directed by Simon Kinberg.


Anyway the highlight of the panel for me was Sophie talking about Tye getting to be the male lead and how she knew that’s never really happened before in these movies and Cyclops fans will be pleased.

Ah, good to hear.

 

[JP]

I’m not his biggest fan by any means but is it not potentially likely that the reason they failed is something else and then he had to step in to try and save them ?
/QUOTE]

What about every script he’s ever written?

 

[InvisibleWoman]

Super happy if Cyclops gets to be front and centre. I don't understand why he got so epically shafted in previous movies when he's such a huge part of the X-Men comics from day one. Always a massive bugbear for me.

 

[GuestStar2004]

"When #DarkPhoenix starts, Jean is a teacher at the institute and she and Scott are in a loving relationship" - Sophie Turner #NYCC

"Fans of Cyclops will be happy with his role in the movie." - Sophie Turner #DarkPhoenix #NYCC

 

[I Am The Knight]

Eh...Kinda hard to get excited for this movie when there's an MCU reboot right around the corner

 

[xrs13]

Oh yeah his scripts haven’t ever been great but I mean more from the whole films not being great due to marred productiona with both directors.

There must be a reason that Fox let him direct a massive blockbuster before anything. Perhaps they saw something from how he helped the productions by stepping in.

Hypothesising completely but just throwing it out there as a possibility

 

[I Am The Knight]

Or maybe they thought he would be cheap AF, and after Apocalypse's dismal box office Fox got especially thrifty.

 

[psylockolussus]

Is that a good or bad thing ?

Lol of course, bad.

 

[GuestStar2004]

There must be a reason that Fox let him direct a massive blockbuster before anything. Perhaps they saw something from how he helped the productions by stepping in.

Probably because he and FOX have a good relationship and they trust him.

Although just because they trust him doesn't mean he didn't had to take a paycut to be able to direct the film.

But while most will look for a motive behind it, it really is as simple as studio politics... for example Kinberg was one of the people responsible for getting Deadpool greenlit... but FOX still said they were only willing to give it 50 million or nothing. so its not like Kinberg has any particular power over FOX.

 

[Frankeh]

Sophie basically confirmed Kinberg ghost directed FF and Apocalypse

There's some crow to be eaten around here..

 

[psylockolussus]

Or maybe they thought he would be cheap AF, and after Apocalypse's dismal box office Fox got especially thrifty.

If they managed to look for people to write and direct New Mutants, Deadpool 2, X-Force, Gambit, Kitty, X-23 and those other films that might not get released, I don't see why they didn't hire someone else for the X-Men other than Kinberg alone to write and direct. It is Xtremely frustrating and really mind boggling. Selene looks $*+!. It reminds people of x3. Same old issues.

 

[psylockolussus]

I’m not his biggest fan by any means but is it not potentially likely that the reason they failed is something else and then he had to step in to try and save them ?

Is fox rewarding him his own film because what he made was better in the end than what would have happened with Trank and Singer. We heard they were having problems throughout filming so Kinberg seems to have stepped in to help

those films still turned out to be bad and FoX should have seen him direct a film that is good first before handing him the X-Men.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Judging from what I read so far I think this film is going to be the X-Men film we have been waiting on for years. The outer space mission, the team looked at as heroes, fight/power display as a team, comic accurate costumes, aliens, etc. If you take away how some of you feel about Simon let’s rejoice we have someone that knows the material and is finally willing to embrace what make the X-Men, X-Men. No disrespect to X1 and X2 but the X-Men isn’t a genre you can ground they are not Batman (no shade). These are people who must face fear hatred persecution whilst trying to do the right thing and be a family, so I’m here for it! Whatever Jean does after the space mission will cause the public to mistrust or hate the X-Men. I think that fight at her childhood home is going to leave our mouths on the floor! That’s the scene I can’t wait to see.

That’s all well and good but you must’ve missed the multiple interviews where Simon Kinberg calls *this* movie exactly that: “Grounded.”

There's some crow to be eaten around here..

As if they’ll ever admit to it. They’ll just call it “Fake News.”

 

[GuestStar2004]

Amy's prepping for NYCC. But Halloween-ly.‏
EW visionaries panel! Drew Goddard, Simon Kinberg, and Taika Waititi. Tag will be #ewvisionaries

Amy's prepping for NYCC. But Halloween-ly.‏
#ewvisionaries Dark Phoenix drew inspiration from Thor Ragnarok, in making the universe a way to highlight character

Amy's prepping for NYCC. But Halloween-ly.‏
#ewvisionaries Simons approach is drama that plays out on a larger (action/scifi/comics) stage.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Ordet]

With Singer (and Mangold) we get the best Marvel movies by far (a part of X1's second part that show all' the limit in approaching the comics in those years).

I have some dubts in Kinberg, he had never show some quality as writer, but he was very smart to get the help from great professional like Fiore, Zimmer and the action team of Mad Max.

Aesthetically with Singer/Sigel we get very good quality for a commercial product, true movie, far away the tv-like film of Disney .
First Photos of Dark Phoenix are promising, but make work a movie is a harder step.

Story look promising too, what i hope to see, a part of inner war of Jean, It is also a social/political approach about X-Men status.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

‘Dark Phoenix’ actress, Sophie Turner talked about the movie and Jean Grey at NYCC 2018

Did Famke Janssen reach out to you?

I emailed her when I got the role and said ‘I loved your work so much and you played Jean in such a heartbreaking and beautiful way and I wanted to emulate that and put my own spin on it. Is there any advice you can give, anything I should read or watch that you did?’ And she wrote back and said ‘I’m handing the baton to you, do with the role what you want this is a new thing for you.’ That was a big honor.

And then I met her at a party and ran up to her, hugged her and said “FAMKE!” She’s really sweet and supportive.

Did you do your research?

I probably watched the movies like 100 times. I was gifted one of the original Dark Phoenixcomics from a friend so I read that. I did my research, but, one thing Simon wanted to really emphasize, especially with Dark Phoenix and all the other material in terms of the movies, this is a whole new kind of movie. Don’t rewatch the movies, this is a completely different take on Dark Phoenix because of the mood. A completely different take on an X-Men movie.

Did you know the next film would be Dark Phoenix when filming Apocalypse?

She “Phoenixed” out a bit in Apocalypse , but it was my first movie and I didn’t think the next one would be about Dark Phoenix. [I thought] maybe way down the line they’ll do it. It was only about six months before we started shooting Dark Phoenix that Simon sat me down and told me.

They tried to do Dark Phoenix before and Simon wrote that script, is there extra pressure to take this on?

Yes a lot of pressure. I knew Simon was taking me out to lunch and he sits me down and tells me it’s Dark Phoenix and I’m like “fuuuuck.” I know it's one of the most loved stories of the X-men universe and for Simon to trust me enough with this responsibility is a big honor. And I want to do the fans of the original story justice, and of course there’s a lot of pressure especially having been done before. Simon would tell you that it was a B-plot of the movie and he felt it had to be the main plot of the movie.

It opens in 1992 and the X-Men are beloved. Where is Jean in the opening of the movie?

Jean is a teacher at Xavier’s School for the Gifted and Scott and I are in a steady, very loving relationship. Charles and I? You saw that connection in the last movie, he’s tapped into her power. And she’s in a very secure place in her life which is why everything goes haywire when this cosmic force arises.

It opens with the X-Men going to space, what was that like?

That was fun. It’s something we haven't done in the X-Men universe before. It pushes the boundaries, it raises the stakes and it’s really cool to take it a completely different direction because all of the X-Men movies are on the ground or a villain starts ****. It’s very intense and exciting.

What's it like working with Jessica Chastain?

It’s unbelievable to work with Jessica. She’s not one of the best actresses, she’s one of the coolest people. And she became a sort of mentor for me on set, and that’s funny because that’s what she is to Jean. So it parallels back. In this movie she’s different from anything you’ve seen, she’s the villain but not gimmicky and she’s very subtle. She’s haunting in this and I would be convinced to go anywhere with her.

She says when it looks like the women are always saving the men you should think about changing the latex. This is the thing about the X-Men movies. Some superhero movies can be farfetched, in these movies they deal with a lot of issues.

This movie is very different to any of the X-men movies. You have Logan which is a Western drama, Deadpool is a comedy. Dark Phoenix is more like a family drama, and is much more character-driven, emotional. Take away the superhero, fantastical parts of it and it’ll hold up as a very good movie. If you take the fantastical parts out of prior movies, you’ll only get half an hour of material.

What was like it filming the scene with Magneto on Genosha.

Very intimidating because he’s [Michael Fassbender] one of my favorite actors of all-time. It's kind of a rollercoaster of a scene because you shift from one personality to the next to the next. Simon and I wrote down a Phoenix scale and this scene was jumping from one to five so it wasn’t too difficult.

You just have to think about mental illness, that you’re trying to hide something that is trying to punch its way out. It’s going to show itself and a lot of people can relate to that. And when she lets go with what we call Dark Phoenix, it’s a release for her. She finally stops and lets go and is euphoric and she becomes what this cosmic force wants her to be.

What is the dynamic between Scott and Jean during all this?

At the center of this movie is the relationship between Scott and Jean. There’s a theme throughout this movie of Jean feeling abandoned, and Scott is this one person who sticks by her while everything falls apart. It’s a brilliant, heartbreaking story for Scott but one his storyline deserved. In the movies he didn’t have this leading role, and this time Tye [Sheridan] steps up. It’s an amazing storyline for Scott and fans of Cyclops will be very happy about that. They are a full-functional relationship who can get married whenever they wanted to but it just starts to go out of line.

Would you be down to be in the MCU?

I don’t know. I feel the complexities of the X-men being shunned by society and segregated is not something that happens in the Avengers universe. Of course, I want to see them crossover but I don't think the themes through X-men will collaborate well with the Avengers. It’ll be very different. If they do it, I’d love to see how it turns out.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

“I’m sorry for X-Men 3,” said Kinberg, who co-wrote the earlier film. “We tried to tell the Dark Phoenix story and we didn’t do it properly. So, with this Dark Phoenix story there is no ‘cure’ plot, there is no other plot. It is the Dark Phoenix story, as told in comics, as told in the cartoons. Sophie is the center of the film, that’s why she’s the one person that’s in the teaser poster. The entire movie revolves around her. It’s a movie that goes into space and is cosmic, very much inspired actually by what [Taika] did with Thor — even though the tone is totally different — but just the ability to make a character movie that still feels grounded, and fun, but is in whole other universes. Jessica Chastain’s character plays an alien, and that’s all I can tell you about that. But, yeah, it’s the Dark Phoenix story and if you’ve read that comic I think you’re going to like the movie a lot.”

'Dark Phoenix' director says film was 'very much inspired' by 'Thor: Ragnarok'

 

[Zarex]

Sophie basically confirmed Kinberg ghost directed FF and Apocalypse

A positive take is that Simon showed a great deal of improvement from one film to the next.