Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[SumT]

yeah, real bull****, but typical from someone like Kinberg, a mostly producer turned director with total lack of respect to the source material.

this story deserved Lilandra or Emma Frost, not a made up character. wtf was he thinking. He just doesnt give a damm about respecting the material and pleasing the comics fanbase. He's not that smart imo. The moment you ignore core characters, you just has failed to the fanbase.

 

[I Am The Knight]

In the MCU i don't know if you could go with the whole racism stuff. it just seems like the universe has progressed so far that Mutants would be just another form of everything else that in the MCU. and whats in the MCU is already progressing rather quickly.

To throw huge importants on Mutants would be kinda questionable without questioning everything else that exists in the MCU.

It's not such a big deal TBH. The MCU has never dealt with "the people's issues". There's nothing saying that they cannot just start dealing with those things in an X-Men film now. The reason why people would hate mutants but don't hate Captain America has been explained plenty of times.

 

[rebellion]

I just wish they'd be honest about Chastain's character. She's a made up character who is an amalgamation of Emma Frost, Lilandra, and Wyngarde. In the original cut she was never even named! Maybe they gave her a name in the reshoots, but it feels like Kinberg doesn't want fans to react poorly to the fact that she's not someone we know, but also wants to build this false anticipation on the reveal of who she might be.

He should just tell us now so we have the time to get over what would inevitably disappoint us. Its clear shes not lilandra, at least she looks nothing like her.
Keeping it a secret will just add to frustration.

 

[Iceman]

yeah, real bull****, but typical from someone like Kinberg, a mostly producer turned director with total lack of respect to the source material.

this story deserved Lilandra or Emma Frost, not a made up character. wtf was he thinking. He just doesnt give a damm about respecting the material and pleasing the comics fanbase. He's not that smart imo. The moment you ignore core characters, you just has failed to the fanbase.

I don't see the point of making up characters when you have a rich lore to draw from in the source material. That goes for the other studios and filmmakers when they do it too.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It's not such a big deal TBH. The MCU has never dealt with "the people's issues". There's nothing saying that they cannot just start dealing with those things in an X-Men film now. The reason why people would hate mutants but don't hate Captain America has been explained plenty of times.

Well if you wanna look at it as a metephor for racism or sexuality, then its easier if they stand out in a way that makes them different even though they are exactly like eveyone else, but if they stand out more like the superheroes... then whats the point?

person 1: oh hulk off destroying buildings again, Glad Thor is there to stop him
Person 2: Yeah... but dig you hear there is a mutant rally tomorrow?
Person 1: Darn those Mutants!

 

[GuestStar2004]

He should just tell us now so we have the time to get over what would inevitably disappoint us. Keeping it a secret will just add to frustration..

Perhaps because giving away who she is may be a big spoiler for certain details that they ain't willing to give out quite yet. its not the first time thats happened. although as time goes on the information will probably get out, just like the aliens who could probably end up appearing in the next trailer.

Its like when Richard E Grant was cast in Logan, people were speculating he was gonna be Mr Sinister for a long time... he wasn't, but they didn't feel the need to inform people of this to quiet them down.

 

[SumT]

I don't see the point of making up characters when you have a rich lore to draw from in the source material. That goes for the other studios and filmmakers when they do it too.

to me its ultimately a sign of a real lack of interest in the comics characters. Singer/Kinberg many times talk and I get the feeling that they dont really love the characters from the comics, I mean, they love some of them, but then they dont give a damm about a whole bunch. and also they always seem to add comics characters just to get fans excited and increase the hype, but in the reality is they didnt have any intention to give them a good role or develop them over a few movies at least. Its like "hey, we have Angel!" "Look, thats Jubilee" "hey, we'll introduce fan favourite Psylocke!" "Rogue is back! Anna is amazing"....

and when we watch the movies, they were mostly included in the script to show them on the trailers and posters more than anything. Singer/Kinberg never planned to give them a good role or made some of them actual team members. Just decoration or action roles, but thats it. Thats why I always wonder: why on earth doest this creative team always talk about how deep the X-Men comics and characters are, how rich they are, their big history, the family aspect? when later when they have the chance to actually develop them..... they just choose not to?

its a total disrespect to not only the fans but to the actual source material. They dont care about these characters, thats the result. the products dont show real love to this characters. So I'd tell them "keep your interviews bull**** to yourself" if you dont really plan to developt these x-men.

 

[xrs13]

Comments like that make me laugh... comic writers create new characters all the time. It should be no different for a film maker to do the same.

If this property was owned by marvel and a new character was created in the films, they would appear in a comic in a week and nobody would bat an eyelid ... looking at you Coulson.

If a character is good they’re good.

 

[EnDz0n3]

So Dark Phoenix is Logan mixed in with Thor Ragnarok? Where’s all the XMCU fans here who in the past have said that they hated Thor Ragnarok? I’d be interested to hear how they defend this one.

I also can’t wait for the Kinberg interview where he’s in front of a horror crowd and tells them his Dark Phoenix is like “It.” Like I said, this guy will literally say anything to appease whatever crowd he’s in front of.

Its like when Richard E Grant was cast in Logan, people were speculating he was gonna be Mr Sinister for a long time... he wasn't, but they didn't feel the need to inform people of this to quiet them down.

So basically what JP said LOL

Your posts start out disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing but inevitably ending up lining up to the post you’re trying to fight off with.

 

[ludovica]

Well if you wanna look at it as a metephor for racism or sexuality, then its easier if they stand out in a way that makes them different even though they are exactly like eveyone else, but if they stand out more like the superheroes... then whats the point?

person 1: oh hulk off destroying buildings again, Glad Thor is there to stop him
Person 2: Yeah... but dig you hear there is a mutant rally tomorrow?
Person 1: Darn those Mutants!

No offense, but it is quite easy to do better than THAT dialogue...
Not making any points there.

 

[GuestStar2004]

So Dark Phoenix is Logan mixed in with Thor Ragnarok? Where’s all the XMCU fans here who in the past have said that they hated Thor Ragnarok? I’d be interested to hear how they defend this one.

Whats to defend? he took inspiration from the cosmic elements of that movie... how much do you wanna read into that inspiration?

So basically what JP said LOL

Your posts start out disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing but inevitably ending up lining up to the post you’re trying to fight off with.

Depends what you are reading into what i said.

My point was not about Simon creating false anticipation. its more about the idea that just because they ain't jumping to let fans down gently that there must be some suspicious motive there when really they don't owe fans anything like that.

The information will likely come out closer to the release date either way.

 

[GuestStar2004]

No offense, but it is quite easy to do better than THAT dialogue...
Not making any points there.

The dialogue was meant to sound abit ridiculous. sometimes you have to spell something out to realise just how silly the concept actually is.

You can do it all with better dialogue. Although it does mean you need to put a shade over alot of other MCU aspects though.

 

[psyonic]

Please make Chastain Cassandra Nova.. even if it's in name only lulz.. she's an alien is all we need to know or even better she's a mummudrai

 

[fobi]

So Dark Phoenix is Logan mixed in with Thor Ragnarok?

Exactly how did you come to that conclusion?

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think he read Kinbergs' "I'm in full PR mode" interviews.

 

[GuestStar2004]

People are just reading way to much into it.

Michael B Jorden said for black panther he took inspiration from Health ledgers Joker and Michael Fassbenders Magneto... now am pretty certain its not as literal as you may turn it into just by reading that.

 

[Theweepeople]

I've been contemplating the Simon Kinberg ghost directing rumors. This movie is doomed if Simon directed this infamous scene from Fantastic four 2015.

 

[Nintendo]

I've been contemplating the Simon Kinberg ghost directing rumors. This movie is doomed if Simon directed this infamous scene from Fantastic four 2015.

The scene with Reed in the woods fighting those troops is the best action in the whole movie lol. I liked this film until the sudden time jump happens. I think it would have been pretty decent if Trank was allowed to do whatever he wanted. But I'm pretty easy to please. If this new X-Men movie really is a drama 1st, I think I'm going to love it.

 

[henzINNIT]

X-Men will fit fine. The MCU is currently making sweeping changes, and has already established governments and civilians becoming uneasy with superheroes. Mutation will move them "next door", and tensions will rise. The wealth of characters and stories you gain vastly outweighs the hurdles you need to jump integrating the X-Men.

 

[GuestStar2004]

X-Men will fit fine. The MCU is currently making sweeping changes, and has already established governments and civilians becoming uneasy with superheroes. Mutation will move them "next door", and tensions will rise. The wealth of characters and stories you gain vastly outweighs the hurdles you need to jump integrating the X-Men.

Not sure about that. you need to take live action more seriously then you would comics or Cartoons.

After all one of the biggest hurdles the MCU has currently is basically how do you do Solo movies without people asking hey why doesn't this person from the avengers show up? or hey why is the president taken and none of the avengers are there to save him except iron man?

The simple answer is you ain't meant to think about it because it gets in the way of telling stories... but the more you go on with the universe, the more these things start to become a bigger issue and probably why MCU movies are starting to be set outside of america so they have clean locations to work with.

 

[Elayis]

I just hope mutation isn't a new thing brought on by something the Avengers do. It needs to be a natural evolution or it isn't X-Men. Still don't like how Wanda got her powers, or her parentage.

 

[Frankeh]

My point was not about Simon creating false anticipation. its more about the idea that just because they ain't jumping to let fans down gently that there must be some suspicious motive there when really they don't owe fans anything like that.

Keeping her character a mystery is absolutely creating false anticipation. JP already said her identity isn't some big reveal, so what's the point, lol.

 

[Blade Hoarder]

Well if you wanna look at it as a metephor for racism or sexuality, then its easier if they stand out in a way that makes them different even though they are exactly like eveyone else, but if they stand out more like the superheroes... then whats the point?

person 1: oh hulk off destroying buildings again, Glad Thor is there to stop him
Person 2: Yeah... but dig you hear there is a mutant rally tomorrow?
Person 1: Darn those Mutants!

I can't believe this has to be explained over and over again. Superheroes are like celebrities or billionaires, they are somebody to aspire to (for better or worse) in American society.

Mutants are like immigrants or minorities. They live in the same neighborhood. They go to the same place of work or schooling. They may be dating your kid. There is a sense of anxiety of 'they will replace us' that is not present with superheroes because their powers may not be inheritable, and even if they are, they are not nearly as numerous in quantity to matter.

It's so simple that I'm starting to think some people deliberately make it more complicated to concern troll about MCU X-men/

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Love this

 

[Iceman]

Comments like that make me laugh... comic writers create new characters all the time. It should be no different for a film maker to do the same.

If this property was owned by marvel and a new character was created in the films, they would appear in a comic in a week and nobody would bat an eyelid ... looking at you Coulson.

If a character is good they’re good.

Did you miss this part of the post (2nd sentence in a 2 sentence post)? "That goes for the other studios and filmmakers when they do it too." I was specifically thinking of Coulson when I said that. Is he a great character to you? These attitudes are the reason why so many fans aren't happy with the Fox coverage of their favourite characters after 18 years of films. They know how to nail the select few and don't really care about the other main characters, even the leaders of the team. That was probably why they thought it was ok to make Logan the male lead in the X3 Dark Phoenix story instead of Cyclops - 'it doesn't matter which character you use, as long as that character is good'. At least now Kinberg is trying to correct that as he's probably realised that it was important after all.