Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Marvel united]

The guy who asked Feige whether DP survived the snap is a huge Marvel fan and he asked that question as a "wink wink, nudge nudge" if you will, that's hinting towards the future. Not out of genuine confusion-curiosity over whether Wade survived

 

[Hand Banana]

The guy who asked Feige whether DP survived the snap is a huge Marvel fan and he asked that question as a "wink wink, nudge nudge" if you will, that's hinting towards the future. Not out of genuine confusion-curiosity over whether Wade survived

Not saying the the interviewers were confused but they seemed to be under the belief that when the deal is done these movies will be a part of the MCU timeline. That of course won’t happen given Kevin Feige’s response to the question.

 

[icekid]

Ugh, I know Fox bought a spot and asked them to prepare something, which they contracted the usual to do. Guess they ended up giving the spot to Akita to boost those projections that tanked week after week.

At least we know one is done.

 

[EnDz0n3]

You sure do presume a lot and make a lot of strawmans. When did I say they had no choice?

And don’t call these people dumb. These are just movies.

Fine. Talk about strawman and parsing words. Let's pare down that sentence:

So you think they delayed Dark Phoenix for seven months until after the MCU movies so they can bank on people who think this is also an MCU movie?

 

[Hand Banana]

Fine. Talk about strawman and parsing words. Let's pare down that sentence:

So you think they delayed Dark Phoenix for seven months until after the MCU movies so they can bank on people who think this is also an MCU movie?

The delay was three months, not seven.

 

[EnDz0n3]

The delay was from November to June. Seven months.

 

[Hand Banana]

The delay was from November to June. Seven months.

It wasn’t a single delay, remember? Talking about the second one.

 

[EnDz0n3]

So they only came up with the plan to try and fool people into thinking this is an MCU movie on the second delay in October? What was the reason for the first delay? They wanted to fool people into thinking this was a RomCom?

...Ok I've entertained this idea way too long. Enjoy the rest of your time here man.

 

[Manasrepublic]

Let’s stop the nonsensical fighting. Next several responses to the following question:

As best as you can possibly guess, what do you think the opening weekend total will be with a decent to solid marketing campaign?

 

[Jh7058622]

75 million with a good marketing campaign 50 million without one. If it is critically well received that might change both numbers too.

 

[x-er]

So Fox's and Kinberg's marketing plan is to bank on dumb people (which apparently includes Laurence Fishburne, though who are we kidding, he probably gets free movie tickets) thinking this is an MCU movie? Good marketing plan Fox.

Actually that's not fair to Fox nor to Kinberg.

So you as a fan who presumably has the utmost confidence in the studio, the movie and its director *think* Fox and Kinberg had no choice but to delay Dark Phoenix (seven months) until after Captain Marvel and Avengers EndGame so they can bank on dumb people thinking this is an MCU movie?

Some fans around here are actually in fear of the possibility that the current creatives for X-men are retained for the MCU.
Personally, I've got to say I love the comics now. I don't know how I will feel about any future representations of characters like Rogue.

 

[psylockolussus]

Ugh, I know Fox bought a spot and asked them to prepare something, which they contracted the usual to do. Guess they ended up giving the spot to Akita to boost those projections that tanked week after week.

At least we know one is done.

How do we know you are not lying about your "scoops"?
obviously there's no Superbowl spot for Dark PhoeniX.

Let’s stop the nonsensical fighting. Next several responses to the following question:

As best as you can possibly guess, what do you think the opening weekend total will be with a decent to solid marketing campaign?

At least 30 million in America.

 

[Nadia]

Do you think we will get a telepathic battle between Jean and Xavier on the astral/telepathic plane?

Given how powerful she was in Apocalypse, I think the only way they could realistically have Jean take on all the x-men is if Xavier is also facing her in the astral plane.
That way she would be somewhat distracted during a physical fight with the X-men.




Regarding box office. I think it diffcult to tell. Every live action comicbook film last year (regardless of reviews) did well last year. Hell look at Venom. I think we may have reached a point were audiences will go and see superhero films regardless; I feel because (a) at there core they are just dumb fun for 2hrs and (b) popularity of the genre/ wanting to be in the know.

 

[Cktopl33]

They better do something good, ‘cuz dat Endgame Spot

It's strange. The footage shown thus far for Endgame is somewhat more grounded the Avengers have been in a while (I wonder how much of the movie is like that compared to Infinity War). The super bowl spot actually reminded me of the previous two movies the Russo bro's directed, Winter Soldier and Civil War, which I feel are their best MCU films. Still not liking the vibe from Captain Marvel (looks too much like a video game). Hope MCU's x-men will look nothing like Captain Marvel and more like Winter Soldier/Civil War.

 

[Phoenix_Flare]

I’d really wish they would’ve showed something during the super bowl. This was their moment to get ppl excited and *if they are going to release trailer two with Captain Marvel I feel as if it’s not going to have a big impact because you know Marvel is going to release Far Far Home and Endgame trailers with Marvel’s release date. Fox could’ve did a mix of the US trailer and the Russian trailer & maybe Dark Phoenix could’ve been trending right now instead. Missed opportunity but hopefully they have one hell of a marketing strategy since millions of people stream and do not have channels where they can see commercials for films (I’m one of them)

 

[Cktopl33]

What did? Fox was hoping to have Alita playing during CNY, the country's biggest movie-going day of the year. It will now open 2 weeks after that. They failed in that regard.
If what worked is that Alita is in the Top 5, it was always projected to do well in China. China and Japan are probably the only territories that movie is expected to do well.

The big question marks are Alita in December in North America, Alita in February in North America, Dark Phoenix in November (Fox: "We didn't want to go head-to-head with a four-quadrant movie in The Nutcracker" that later bombed...), Dark Phoenix in February (Can't finish movie on-time because of extensive reshoots) and Dark Phoenix in June (Lots and lots and LOTS of four-quadrant movies in the summer).

But the government usually halts new foreign film releases during the lucrative Chinese New Year for a few weeks because it wants Chinese films to do well in the Chinese box office.

There is no doubt the main reason Dark Phoenix moved away from Nov is due to the late schedule of the reshoots which weren't shot until two months before the Nov date (they knew reshoots were needed since before March 2018). The Feb release date seemed to be a temporary placeholder since Kinberg stated no decision had been made about the release when the trailer went live. The shift away from Feb was influenced by post-production visual effects time-frame. Although Kinberg hinted post will likely be finished a couple months before June. Reshoots were already completed in Sept (the same month they later announced the move from Feb to June).

What Kinberg said about moving the date to June wasn't only about China:

"Specific for us, it is an opportunity to be a bigger movie day-and-date globally.”

“We looked at [the June] date versus the February 14 date, the studio did and we did, we felt like that June date was a bigger opportunity for us globally,” Kinberg said. “More screens, more IMAX screens, a better chance to play in China where these movies have a massive following.

The June date also has premium screens previously reserved for Gambit. There's also more screen availability in summer. And these x-men movies have history of doing better in foreign grosses.

According to Wall Street Journal on why release dates matter:

Synched international release dates keep people from downloading pirated versions, Mr. Curtin said, noting that they also create the most of online buzz for a film in a crowded market where advertising is tightly regulated.

 

[Ryan1210]

 

[carpenter82]

I’d really wish they would’ve showed something during the super bowl. This was their moment to get ppl excited and *if they are going to release trailer two with Captain Marvel I feel as if it’s not going to have a big impact because you know Marvel is going to release Far Far Home and Endgame trailers with Marvel’s release date. Fox could’ve did a mix of the US trailer and the Russian trailer & maybe Dark Phoenix could’ve been trending right now instead. Missed opportunity but hopefully they have one hell of a marketing strategy since millions of people stream and do not have channels where they can see commercials for films (I’m one of them)

I wish they would've shown something as well. The past couple of X-Men films had Super Bowl spots so why not this one?

 

[EnDz0n3]

But the government usually halts new foreign film releases during the lucrative Chinese New Year for a few weeks because it wants Chinese films to do well in the Chinese box office.

Kinberg and Fox chose that February release date knowing (1) X-men is big in China (2) Chinese New Year is in February. Unless they think Chinese New Year is held on different months or unless they were ok with Dark Phoenix tanking in China, there really are no excuses for their incompetence. And if that date so close to CNY was so untenable, they also don't get pats on the back for flaking out on a decision that shouldn't have been made in the first place.

There is no doubt the main reason Dark Phoenix moved away from Nov is due to the late schedule of the reshoots which weren't shot until two months before the Nov date (they knew reshoots were needed since before March 2018).

Congrats to Kinberg for not scheduling in reshoots for his cast properly. What's funny is he correctly says all these big Hollywood films do reshoots and they're normal yet he didn't think to schedule them for his cast.

The Feb release date seemed to be a temporary placeholder

You're probably the only person who has ever come up with that reasoning. Considering versions of the trailer stated February 2019 as the movie's release date, then no it wasn't a temporary placeholder. The truth is Kinberg so proudly told the fans that it was a date they loved because Black Panther and Deadpool before it did gangbusters in prior years yet here we are months later, the reshoots so extensive, the third act they initially had wasn't planned and/or written when they shot it (it never is with the X-men movies), and the effects so laborious they had no choice but to delay it a second time.

since Kinberg stated no decision had been made about the release when the trailer went live. The shift away from Feb was influenced by post-production visual effects time-frame. Although Kinberg hinted post will likely be finished a couple months before June. Reshoots were already completed in Sept (the same month they later announced the move from Feb to June).

That or Kinberg is simply making up things as he goes along. I mean you could quote that Kinberg said this and Kinberg said that but no one's buying it. At some point you gotta start calling out when things are not lining up.

I've got a solution for Kinberg. He really should stop doing interviews. Since he does tend to shoot from the hip, come up with various reasons (or apologize for a bad film) which he later has to backtrack on.

What Kinberg said about moving the date to June wasn't only about China:The June date also has premium screens previously reserved for Gambit. There's also more screen availability in summer. And these x-men movies have history of doing better in foreign grosses.

According to Wall Street Journal on why release dates matter:

I agree that they most likely gained premium screens from the departing Gambit (X-men movies have had a hard time scoring IMAX screens), but you really think there's more screen availability in the summer? Do you hear yourself? That sounds like another Kinberg LieTM.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Erik Lensherr]

WTF?

 

[X-Maniac]

It wouldn't be the first time Fox had hoped to piggyback on the MCU success.

Remember that Bryan Singer tweet about Quicksilver in DoFP? "Before he was an Avenger he was just a kid who ran very fast", or something like that.

Unless marketing ramps up, Dark Phoenix will be a dead duck. Shots of Jean sobbing in the rain aren't gonna sell this to a summer blockbuster audience.

 

[SumT]

It wouldn't be the first time Fox had hoped to piggyback on the MCU success.

Remember that Bryan Singer tweet about Quicksilver in DoFP? "Before he was an Avenger he was just a kid who ran very fast", or something like that.

Unless marketing ramps up, Dark Phoenix will be a dead duck. Shots of Jean sobbing in the rain aren't gonna sell this to a summer blockbuster audience.

thats for sure, lol.
the fact that Fox keeps releasing stills like that is........ curious to say the least.
Its like their marketing team dont have a f**** clue of how to atract general audience and what they expect/want from these movies.

 

[GuestStar2004]

It wouldn't be the first time Fox had hoped to piggyback on the MCU success.

Funny part is one of the things that bothers some is that they DON'T piggyback the successes the way some thought they would. so when they don't act accordingly it confuses people and some assume they are just doing it wrong

As for quicksilver. its really hard to say whether they were piggybacking or whether Bryan just wanted to use quicksilver since Marvel and FOX both own him. so to automatically assumed one is piggybacking is totally wrong. well unless the rule is you can't use him because we are.

Although since X-Men came out before Age of ultron it means X-Men set the character template in audiences minds way before Avengers did, so its not like they were trying to pass him off as an MCU character because they couldn't, and its not like they were feeding off the MCUs character since no one had even seen him yet and only comic folk would know who he was.

WB piggy banks. FOX hasn't been known to care all that much about that stuff.

Personally i don't think there is a scheme to and make Dark Phoenix look like its in the MCU. some people out there have no idea about who lives in what universe, and others can kinda get the hint anyway, but trying to pass themselves off into another universe does nothing at all unless you can actually cross them over and prove it. otherwise it just feels like its own thing either way.

If Fox wanna put the trailer with Captain marvel, they why not? its how the movie industry works.

 

[Hand Banana]

Interestingly, it seems that poster was made by Disney.

Disney Celebrates Chinese New Year with Posters for ‘Avengers: Endgame,’ ‘Toy Story 4’ and More