Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[Charzhin0]

The original rumour was a 2 part movie for Dark Phoenix.

And since DP will be now a "Disney" studios production on release due to the deal, I hope it gets a good backing of the Disney PR machine behind it.

 

[psylockolussus]

I hope it gets a good backing of the Disney PR machine behind it.

It won't!

 

[Charzhin0]

It won't!

Isnt it in their interest? Will Disney not receive any profit shares from dark Phoenix box office

 

[GuestStar2004]

Well technically Disney will own the film. although probably with a few other layers of how that works.

Although i suppose Disney will also own a dozen other upcoming FOX projects too, but doesn't mean they will all get the same PR machine.

But then Disney treating DP with weak interest would just be biased sense, and biased sense isn't good business sense in this regard

 

[The Infernal]

Fox spin-offs. That gives me...

Spoiler

But not the good kind.

 

[SumT]

Even if the X-Men remained at Fox, there’s no guarantee that a sequel to DP would happen or that it would continue the DP storyline.

For instance, if DP massively underperforms or if Sophie’s performance was savaged by critics, then Fox would not carry on with the story. They would just move on to the spinoffs they were planning.

Kinberg would probably adapt Days of future past again, but this time with McAvoy and Fassbender playing both young and old versions of Charles and Erik, with young X-Men as supporting.

 

[Zarex]

Well technically Disney will own the film. although probably with a few other layers of how that works.

Although i suppose Disney will also own a dozen other upcoming FOX projects too, but doesn't mean they will all get the same PR machine.

But then Disney treating DP with weak interest would just be biased sense, and biased sense isn't good business sense in this regard

Dark Phoenix is in a bit of a tough spot since it will be an "orphan" by next week. The folks remaining at 20th Century Fox Studios will no longer control the character license, so this film won't be a top priority. And the team at Disney and Marvel Studio don't have a compelling interest to invest much in a film that they weren't involved in producing. And is poised for a reboot regardless of whether the film succeeds or fails.

We're probably looking at a very modest Dark Phoenix promotional campaign in the hopes that the film breaks even.

 

[Jh7058622]

Doesn't matter I'm still getting it in theaters after months of trolls saying there was "NO WAY" it would be released on anything but streaming. Lol

And if it's good to me (and maybe even critics and fans alike) then even better.

Disney isn't the center of the universe.

 

[JP]

It’ll be interesting to see how Disney promoted DPh

 

[psylockolussus]

Its competing with Secret Life of Pets Two, even if that one underperforms like that Lego Movie, that would still do some damage for Dark PhoeniX in North America. Apocalypse had the upper hand against Alice 2, and Apocalypse still underperformed and opened noticeably lower than X2. Dark PhoeniX lacks, the hype, the buzz and the goodwill. And it would be one of the underperforming movies of summer 2019.

Disney has no gain in a successful Dark Phoenix movie as they would be rebooting the X-Men for Marvel Stud10s. It would be a throwaway movie for them, an eXcess baggage from the previous FoX regime.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Dark Phoenix is in a bit of a tough spot since it will be an "orphan" by next week. The folks remaining at 20th Century Fox Studios will no longer control the character license, so this film won't be a top priority. And the team at Disney and Marvel Studio don't have a compelling interest to invest much in a film that they weren't involved in producing. And is poised for a reboot regardless of whether the film succeeds or fails.

We're probably looking at a very modest Dark Phoenix promotional campaign in the hopes that the film breaks even.

Yes Disney didn't greenlight this movie, but they have it now, FOX is part of them now. so do they just accept breaking even or put in abit of effort that some money may be made from the movie?

It kinda falls into that same area of oh Disney have no faith in Fox X-Men because...well its Disney (studio wars and all that), so they will wanna let just this animal just die. but again thats very poor business sense for a series that is probably being just as underestimated as many felt with Venom for Sony

 

[X-Maniac]

"What if the earth is attacked by actual aliens so no DP2?"
"What if all the trees die off and all life on our planet before production starts on the supposed movie?"
"What if all the cast get food poisoning and their diarrhea is too great for them to appear so they scrap the movie?"

Clearly she was talking about if all things turn out right. Not every horrible thing that could happen to oppose her views...

I’m just saying there’s no guarantee.

The Fox X-Men franchise is pretty volatile at the best of times. Anything can happen from one moment to the next. The films are pretty standalone.

It’s part of the reason viewers don’t get invested as much as they do in the MCU which has built huge public confidence. Their end credits teasers and cross-pollination may not be to everyone’s tastes but there’s no denying it works.

 

[Zarex]

But even if Dark Phoenix over performs like Venom (or Aquaman, or Captain Marvel) it won't continue past this installment. And a rousing BO success doesn't really benefit the new 20th Century Chief Emma Watts or Kevin Feige as the film is a holdover from the prior regime.

I don't have confidence in Writer/Director/Producer Simon Kinberg pulling out a glorious final chapter in the series, but it will certainly be interesting.

 

[X-Maniac]

Yes Disney didn't greenlight this movie, but they have it now, FOX is part of them now. so do they just accept breaking even or put in abit of effort that some money may be made from the movie?

It kinda falls into that same area of oh Disney have no faith in Fox X-Men because...well its Disney (studio wars and all that), so they will wanna let just this animal just die. but again thats very poor business sense for a series that is probably being just as underestimated as many felt with Venom for Sony

The only person to benefit from the success of DP will be Kinberg as he will prove he can direct a film and use it as a launchpad to other directing gigs.

But I’ve grown tired of the Fox vision of the X-Men. The X-Men need a whole new approach, and we will get that from Disney for sure. If the MCU doesn’t deliver what I want, then I’ll moan about that too, it’s the X-Men I’m interested in

 

[EnDz0n3]

I don’t think the 2-parter narrative was anything other than a line Kinberg used to get certain cast members (Munn) on board. Remember Fan thinking she will be back for the sequel to DOFP?

Fox has never done a back-to-back production, not for any of their X-men properties. Planning ahead of time is not something they do.

Plus they’ve been skipping a decade between movies, they are so close to the 2000s, why linger on one decade now?

But then Disney treating DP with weak interest would just be biased sense, and biased sense isn't good business sense in this regard

What is biased sense?

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don’t think the 2-parter narrative was anything other than a line Kinberg used to get certain cast members (Munn) on board. Remember Fan thinking she will be back for the sequel to DOFP?

Fan only thought that because she was contracted for multiple movies. i doubt she was told straight up that she was coming back.

Fox has never done a back-to-back production, not for any of their X-men properties. Planning ahead of time is not something they do.

Well that depends on how its done. if you wanna do one story across 2 movies them no FOX probably wouldn't havd done that. but you can do one story and another story thats a close connected sequel to that story.

What is biased sense?

Making decisions based on bias.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Fan only thought that because she was contracted for multiple movies. i doubt she was told straight up that she was coming back.

It's funny how three actresses thought/think they were/are all coming back: Fan for DOFP's sequel; Olivia for Apocalypse's 2-parter sequel; and Alexandra for Dark Phoenix's sequel.

But I digress. That’s a story for another thread about how these big Hollywood studios take advantage of people's naïveté. Or perhaps that's actually on-topic in a forum of the movie from the writer (and now director) who purports himself to be pro-women?

Well that depends on how its done. if you wanna do one story across 2 movies them no FOX probably wouldn't havd done that. but you can do one story and another story thats a close connected sequel to that story.

Nothing but a pipe-dream.

Making decisions based on bias.

"Biased sense" is nonsense. That's called an oxymoron.

 

[carpenter82]

Wow they got the majority of the X-Men. I bought a badge for that day mostly just to go to the Dark Phoenix panel. Fingers crossed.

 

[x-er]

It's funny how three actresses thought/think they were/are all coming back: Fan for DOFP's sequel; Olivia for Apocalypse's 2-parter sequel; and Alexandra for Dark Phoenix's sequel.

But I digress. That’s a story for another thread about how these big Hollywood studios take advantage of people's naïveté. Or perhaps that's actually on-topic in a forum of the movie from the writer (and now director) who purports himself to be pro-women?

Nothing but a pipe-dream.

pro female + LGBT if u remember Ellen Page!!
The original cast had so many great actresses including Halle Berry, Anna Paquin, Ellen Page, Famke Jansen, Fan Binbing, Rebeca Romijn, Dafne Keen.

I was very confused after DOFP tbh. They were talking about building a universe and they were announcing prequels and spinoffs, so you'd assume they'd have more movies set in the present, right? as in original cast sequels. So on the one hand, you've got cast members like Anna Paquin (Rogue) saying she'd love to fly, kick ass and meet Gambit and then on the other hand you've got people reporting DOFP as the "swan song" of Singer's X-Men. I get there was a budget issue but I would've preferred to watch a few of the original cast members as opposed to Fassbender and Lawrence.

 

[Cktopl33]

The Apocalypse final battle was outdoors, in an open lot, about 20 mins away from MELS. It wasn’t in a soundstage.

This idea that Kinberg made an open set "to get out into the open on the streets" for Dark Phoenix because he was unhappy with the previous movie is divorced from reality. This franchise has been doing this since at least DOFP. Do you guys not remember the ginormous White House lawn set?

I was referring to the battle sequences, Endzo. Read. The problem obviously is with Singer's visual direction since the sequences look like they were shot on sound stages with a bunch of CGI put in around them because they confine the area and camera. And some of the Egypt shots that are meant to be outside were on sound stage in-doors, which you can clearly see in blooper reels. Both Apocalypse end battle and DOFP White House lawn sequence have that same look. Whereas films like Logan, the camera is not as confined. They're moving around outside. They're running and fighting throughout the woods. It feels dynamic. It looks natural.

 

[Cktopl33]

The original rumour was a 2 part movie for Dark Phoenix.

From what I was told, the plan was a 2-parter (from story to production). That's why some of the cast members early on were speaking in a way that alluded to a sequel. But then changes were forced and the decision wasn't Kinberg's. It was tied to an anticipated acquisition (unannounced at the time & unknown to Kinberg), so certain things were scrapped early on. This altered plans moving forward while the film was currently in production (from characters to story). The script Kevin Feige was asked to review might have been based on what was originally planned before these changes had to be made.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I was referring to the battle sequences, Endzo. Read.

Why do you oh so love saying my name like that? Is it supposed to be funny? Perhaps that should be reported so you will finally stop doing it?

The problem obviously is with Singer's visual direction since the sequences look like they were shot on sound stages with a bunch of CGI put in around them because they confine the area and camera.

No you obviously thought the DOFP and Apocalypse scenes were shot indoors, in studio. You're changing your narrative that you "obviously" meant the problem is "Singer's visual direction," when your first narrative that Singer shot all his scenes indoors, in studio has been proven wrong.

And some of the Egypt shots that are meant to be outside were on sound stage in-doors, which you can clearly see in blooper reels. Both Apocalypse end battle and DOFP White House lawn sequence have that same look. Whereas films like Logan, the camera is not as confined. They're moving around outside. They're running and fighting throughout the woods. It feels dynamic. It looks natural.

I thought you said "battle sequences" and now you're moving the goal posts to "some of the Egypt shots?"

Rewatch those blooper reels that you're pointing at as your evidence, and oh would you look at that above a wired-up Storm or the one above Nixon...is that blue sky? Both coincidentally are the "battle sequences" you've previously said as shot indoors.

The only "Egypt shot" that was filmed indoors was the inside of the pyramid against the first group of Horsemen and of Moira lifting the drapes. Both the Egyptian procession in the beginning and the big Act 3 fight at the end was outdoors. I should know...I was there.

I'm all for dragging X-men: Apocalypse for all of its (many!) shortcomings, but you're so determined to throw praise at Kinberg for building sets outside for DPh that it blinded you to the fact that most of the previous movies have already done that.

 

[Cktopl33]

Why do you oh so love saying my name like that? Is it supposed to be funny? Perhaps that should be reported so you will finally stop doing it?

What's wrong with it? It's simply a shorten version of your profile name. You've done it to mine before. What's the problem?

No you obviously thought the DOFP and Apocalypse scenes were shot indoors, in studio. You're changing your narrative that you "obviously" meant the problem is "Singer's visual direction," when your first narrative that Singer shot all his scenes indoors, in studio has been proven wrong.

Oh. Let me cry a tear for you then. Since I've been "PROVEN" wrong. What's funny is, if you read back through my actual comment, I never claimed Apocalypse battle was shot on a sound stage...at all. I said Kinberg didn't want to be confined to sound stages when shooting Dark Phoenix. I never wrote "Singer shot all his scenes indoors"....you typed that claiming a false narrative. I said the final battle in Apocalypse didn't look believable, which is why Kinberg wanted to shoot in a way where he could move the camera around dynamically, like shooting out in streets (which are in some of the trailer shots). I never said anything about DOFP since I was talking about Apocalypse. I knew the White House set was built outside surrounded by green screen due to set pictures released before the film came out. When YOU brought up DOFP, I reiterated the fact that it STILL looks like it was shot indoors due to the way Singer shoots his scenes:

Both Apocalypse end battle and DOFP White House lawn sequence have that same look.

Rewatch those blooper reels that you're pointing at as your evidence, and oh would you look at that above a wired-up Storm or the one above Nixon...is that blue sky? Both coincidentally are the "battle sequences" you've previously said as shot indoors.

What I actually wrote:

And some of the Egypt shots that are meant to be outside were on sound stage in-doors, which you can clearly see in blooper reels.

I didn't type anything inaccurate.

I'm all for dragging X-men: Apocalypse for all of its (many!) shortcomings, but you're so determined to throw praise at Kinberg for building sets outside that it blinded you to the fact that most of the previous movies have already done that.

I'm not throwing praise at Kinberg for building sets outside, but rather his direction in how the camera is used while shooting scenes outside. They look like they're shot outside and in a dynamic way. Stop being blindly triggered every time someone mentions "Kinberg".

 

[Darkprime]

Even if the X-Men remained at Fox, there’s no guarantee that a sequel to DP would happen or that it would continue the DP storyline.

For instance, if DP massively underperforms or if Sophie’s performance was savaged by critics, then Fox would not carry on with the story. They would just move on to the spinoffs they were planning.

Exactly even without the Disney buyout I feel like a hard X-Men reboot was inbound. Think about it. Jackman is done, Most of the Original trilogy cast are done. Singer dropped from the franchise. Not sure the status of the first class actors contracts. Was it a trilogy renewal or just a single film? But I get the feeling they are looking to be done after Dark Phoenix.

I actually think it was possible a similar deal to Spider-Man would have happened eventually. Hard reboot in the MCU. Fox was lacking direction and inspiration & they needed help. Avengers vs X-Men would have certainly reignited the franchise. Even prior to the Disney buyout Donner was talking about how keen she was to work with Feige.