Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[psylockolussus]

Incorrect. The sequel would have expanded on "certain" things. Too bad they didn't get to do it. But I believe Kevin Feige was aware of what they originally intended to do if he read the script before all these changes were made.

How is it incorrect when you are just speculating like me, unless you know sequel plans that we don't know of. And would they expand those "certain" things, like how they expanded Essex Corps after Apocalypse, oh wait.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Too bad they didn't get to do it. But I believe Kevin Feige was aware of what they originally intended to do if he read the script before all these changes were made.

And it looks like we've found our scapegoat if Kinberg's Dark Phoenix gets lousy reviews.

 

[sleekstereo]

In the middle of February, Fox’s marketing and distribution departments gathered with the filmmakers of Dark Phoenix, the latest X-Men installment from producer-director Simon Kinberg, to lay out their plans for the film’s June release. It was a typical meeting. Ad buys were discussed, and the publicity tour for the film’s stars, including Sophie Turner, Jennifer Lawrence, and Jessica Chastain, was laid out. But it was still disconcerting, both because of all the new faces in the room—a handful of high-end consultants have been hired temporarily to fill the jobs recently vacated by long-term employees—and because of the ad hoc approach the Fox marketing team was taking toward the film’s release, four months away.

“We know when we are dropping a trailer, but we are nowhere near where we should be at this time,” said one marketing exec who was at the meeting. “It’s frightening. I would be mad if I were a filmmaker.”

“What’s not normal is the elephant in the room, which is that most people there are not going to be the people that are still in the job when the movie opens,” added another attendee.

“Nobody has come around and said, ‘This is what’s going on.’ Why can’t they just tell us that there is no place for us? Why can’t they let anyone know?” said the marketing exec. “We are not leaving because we didn’t make money for the company or we did a bad job. We are leaving because of pure capitalism.”

Inside Hollywood’s Disney-Fox Freakout

 

[Marvel united]

Inside Hollywood’s Disney-Fox Freakout

Jeez

 

[X-Maniac]

Incorrect. The sequel would have expanded on "certain" things. Too bad they didn't get to do it. But I believe Kevin Feige was aware of what they originally intended to do if he read the script before all these changes were made.

What they planned to do and what they would have ended up doing are totally different.

It would depend on the film’s opening weekend, legs, total box office and critical score.

If DP did badly and Fox was still in charge, they would move on to another storyline for the sequel or give the mainline films a rest and focus on a spinoff.

Nothing has ever been really mapped out with this franchise and it’s hurt its potential a lot. They have no faith in their own product, they treat it with uncertainty - and that passes along the line to the consumer.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Inside Hollywood’s Disney-Fox Freakout

That Vanity Fair article mentions Deadpool thrice.

I hate to oversimplify the situation here but in an article lamenting the loss of one of Hollywood’s once-veritable institutions, you know as a studio you’ve lost the war when the “best” and memorable thing you’ve done the past few years is the Deadpool movies. I know these movies have been profitable and all but come on, better examples could’ve been included.

Of course there’s the panic-stricken marketing people from Dark Phoenix. What a mess.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Really the biggest thing to get out of that article is that people will probably lose their jobs and its creating a troubled environment at FOX. but that was always said to be an issue with the FOX/Disney deal. its not an attack by Disney on Dark Phoenix to stop its development before anyone insinuates that.

 

[X-Maniac]

That Vanity Fair article mentions Deadpool thrice.

I hate to oversimplify the situation here but in an article lamenting the loss of one of Hollywood’s once-veritable institutions, you know as a studio you’ve lost the war when the “best” and memorable thing you’ve done the past few years is the Deadpool movies. I know these movies have been profitable and all but come on, better examples could’ve been included.

Of course there’s the panic-stricken marketing people from Dark Phoenix. What a mess.

Deadpool has of course been the biggest box office success, especially in terms of profits as the first film had such a measly budget,

Disney is latching onto that. It indicates that’s the only series likely to continue under the Disney umbrella and possibly it will open a door to R rated film adaptations of other characters.

But yes it’s sad when the mainline X-Men films get no mention. And also quite telling

 

[hurrikane2]

ooooohhh, I wanted to say something about that Chastain quote but I can't.

Hey you can tell me or private message me about what Chastain means with that statement..I think I have an idea... professor x or human civiliazation is like a wounded dog..you live your wounded dog but you have to put it down so it won’t suffer!!

 

[Mysteryman]

I don't desire to see this canned.

But I suspect Disney can do 1 of 5 things.

1. Release the movie with lots of marketing.
2. Release the movie with little marketing.
3. Not release the movie.
4. Delay the release to punch up the movie further.
5. Release the movie on Disney+

This is coming from an unbiased perspective. Stepping aside from that perspective for a moment... Personally, as an X-Men fan--I want to let the MCU take a crack at this saga sooner rather than later. Fox already did this story with X3. And I'm fine with leaving at that.

However, the decision to sack Dark Pheonix will have to ultimately come from Horn and Iger... and well... they're used to fan backlashes--let us just put that lightly.

The movie will be released in theatres.

 

[Darkprime]

The deal is closing on the 20th I would not be surprised if it was shelved but released at a later date once the combined company has had its transition period.

 

[EnDz0n3]

Really the biggest thing to get out of that article is that people will probably lose their jobs and its creating a troubled environment at FOX. but that was always said to be an issue with the FOX/Disney deal. its not an attack by Disney on Dark Phoenix to stop its development before anyone insinuates that.

Another big take away from the article, especially with the panic the writer of the article paints in the marketing department for Dark Phoenix, is that it is in fact NOT "Business as usual."

 

[x-er]

One week to the next everything changes? Yeah right. This is probably hitting theaters and hailee Steinfeld is probably not in new mutants

 

[Mysteryman]

Actually, she's not.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

But I suspect Disney can do 1 of 5 things.

1. Release the movie with lots of marketing.
2. Release the movie with little marketing.
3. Not release the movie.
4. Delay the release to punch up the movie further.
5. Release the movie on Disney+

I'm going to go with Option #2. They'll release it so they can make some money back, but I don't see them spending any more than necessary on what appears to be largely a sunk cost at this point. Maybe they will delay to fall or something if they like that release date better (not to punch it up), but I'd be surprised if it doesn't get a theatrical release of some sort.

 

[Cktopl33]

How is it incorrect when you are just speculating like me, unless you know sequel plans that we don't know of.

hhhmmmmmmmm..........

 

[Cktopl33]

And it looks like we've found our scapegoat if Kinberg's Dark Phoenix gets lousy reviews.

As I have stated many times on this board where anyone can look it up (which you conveniently ignore).....If I feel the movie isn't directed well then I'll say so. I'll acknowledge the critical reviews. I did that with DOFP and Apocalypse. The real question is....will YOU, should the movie receive positive reviews? That's the real test.

 

[Cktopl33]

What they planned to do and what they would have ended up doing are totally different.

It would depend on the film’s opening weekend, legs, total box office and critical score.

If DP did badly and Fox was still in charge, they would move on to another storyline for the sequel or give the mainline films a rest and focus on a spinoff.

Nothing has ever been really mapped out with this franchise and it’s hurt its potential a lot. They have no faith in their own product, they treat it with uncertainty - and that passes along the line to the consumer.

The movie was written as a two-parter story. It was budgeted as a two-parter. Plans were set in place. Then something happened that affected not just this movie, but a lot of future films at Fox. This movie was suppose to have certain things in it.....that had to be completely changed during production, while shooting.

 

[Marvel united]

I'm going to go with Option #2. They'll release it so they can make some money back, but I don't see them spending any more than necessary on what appears to be largely a sunk cost at this point. Maybe they will delay to fall or something if they like that release date better (not to punch it up), but I'd be surprised if it doesn't get a theatrical release of some sort.

Maybe a limited theatrical release in select theaters?

 

[Cktopl33]

Hey you can tell me or private message me about what Chastain means with that statement..I think I have an idea... professor x or human civiliazation is like a wounded dog..you live your wounded dog but you have to put it down so it won’t suffer!!

That's not it, but I'd rather wait until after the film is released. It would create an unnecessary distraction otherwise.

 

[EnDz0n3]

As I have stated many times on this board where anyone can look it up (which you conveniently ignore).....If I feel the movie isn't directed well then I'll say so. I'll acknowledge the critical reviews. I did that with DOFP and Apocalypse. The real question is....will YOU, should the movie receive positive reviews? That's the real test.

You expect people to believe that but you've already given every indication that you won't give me that same opportunity? Well...aren't you special?

 

[Cktopl33]

You expect people to believe that but you've already given every indication that you won't give me that same opportunity? Well...aren't you special?

My position is well documented, which I've had to defend. You've given no reason why anyone should expect the same from you. So, anywho......

 

[psylockolussus]

If the movie is good, I eXpect Endzone to acknowledge it. If he doesn't, I'msure he has fair reasonings. I don't think he's one of those people who unfairly rated infinity War and Captain Marvel a 1 out of 10. He's been around in this forum for a long time for me to say that.

hhhmmmmmmmm..........

Are you really Simon Kinberg then?

 

[EnDz0n3]

My position is well documented, which I've had to defend. You've given no reason why anyone should expect the same from you. So, anywho......

What position?

Your position that people shouldn't be able to say Dark Phoenix looks bad based on the teaser and trailer because they should wait (like you are) to see the actual movie?
But you've already said the X-men costumes look good and the effects are special and the acting is phenomenal based on that same teaser and based on that same trailer. Whatever happened to waiting?

Your position that we can't blame Kinberg for his previous filmography because he didn't direct X3 or Apocalypse or F4?
But you're already pre-blaming Feige and Disney for the things you've conjured up that they've prevented Kinberg from doing for Dark Phoenix. Whatever happened to your assertion that Kinberg owns this movie 100%?

 

[Cktopl33]

What position?

Your position that people shouldn't be able to say Dark Phoenix looks bad based on the teaser and trailer because they should wait (like you are) to see the actual movie?
But you've already said the X-men costumes look good and the effects are special and the acting is phenomenal based on that same teaser and based on that same trailer. Whatever happened to waiting?

Where did I say people shouldn't be able to express how the they feel about a trailer's look? I said people shouldn't judge the MOVIE as a whole until it's been released:

As for the trailer, I thought it was good. Not great. I liked the leaked Russian trailer more, probably because of the music and at the end had such a better payoff (with her fire hair and glowing eyes). This one sort of builds up and then fizzles with that last shot of Jean.

I like the new tone from the trailer. I like the VFX. The new suits. Everything looked great. A big step up from Apocalypse. But, we'll just have to see how it play out now.

Your position that we can't blame Kinberg for his previous filmography because he didn't direct X3 or Apocalypse or F4?

I said you can't use Kinberg's filmography to blame him for a film he hasn't directed or treat him as if he was the director for all those films. That goes to the director who's the spearhead of a movie:

Everyone thought Bryan Singer would do great with Apocalypse based on his filmography.....but that didn't turn out so well (critically worse than X3 and no one expected such a thing possible!) And he directed several x-men films! I gave Singer a shot. Now I'm giving Kinberg a shot.

I don't know what to expect since this is the first time we will see a Kinberg directed movie, so I won't know how he handles action until I see it.

We'll see how Kinberg does with the team he's put together.

But you're already pre-blaming Feige and Disney for the things you've conjured up that they've prevented Kinberg from doing for Dark Phoenix. Whatever happened to your assertion that Kinberg owns this movie 100%?

Have I? Have I mentioned Feige or Disney? Kinberg was forced to change the movie as a result of other factors, but not by Disney or Feige. Neither Disney nor Feige were giving orders on this movie. This was before Disney was even officially in the picture. Which is why I never mentioned them. You seem to have a problem of continuously creating your own narrative and falsely attribute it to someone else. How odd.