Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[X-Maniac]

Even without the Disney acquisition, this franchise is fading out.

When people I know are more in love with Starlord or Groot than they are with Cyclops or Beast - and when they’re raving about Captain Marvel and not Storm - it’s clear there is something very wrong.

The worst thing is Fox has tarnished the brand. I just hope Disney will get people really interested in the X-Men again.

Even Fox knows the best selling point of Dark Phoenix is that it’s the end of this franchise. Emma Watts said as much.

Without the Disney takeover what would the selling point be? There just isn’t one, is there?

 

[psylockolussus]

Boxoffice.com projects the Domestic TOTAL to be $113Mil. That's a long ways off from the film's $150Mil budget, much less to it's ballooned $200Mil. Not to mention that if those numbers pan out, it'll be the lowest grossing domestic total and lowest domestic opener.

Yikes!

 

[itsrivv]

Even without the Disney acquisition, this franchise is fading out.

When people I know are more in love with Starlord or Groot than they are with Cyclops or Beast - and when they’re raving about Captain Marvel and not Storm - it’s clear there is something very wrong.

The worst thing is Fox has tarnished the brand. I just hope Disney will get people really interested in the X-Men again.

This. It’s so sad. I still can’t believe people now think the avengers are “cooler” than the X-men. It all comes down to marketing and Fox has done nothing to make X-men a brand outside of the movies since the original trilogy. It doesn’t help that marvel basically disowned mutants but still, Disney has a lot of work to do after this movie. I’ve loved the Fox universe of movies btw but they’ve made too many mistakes.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

Boxoffice.com projects the Domestic TOTAL to be $113Mil.

Boxoffice.com were completely wrong about Deadpool

At the end of January 2016, the film was projected to earn $55–60 million over its opening weekend in the United States and Canada. It ultimately opened at No. 1, making $132.4 million for the weekend, and $152.2 million over the long Presidents' Day weekend.

Boxoffice.com are not omniscient.

 

[psylockolussus]

This. It’s so sad. I still can’t believe people now think the avengers are “cooler” than the X-men. It all comes down to marketing and Fox has done nothing to make X-men a brand outside of the movies since the original trilogy. It doesn’t help that marvel basically disowned mutants but still, Disney has a lot of work to do after this movie. I’ve loved the Fox universe of movies btw but they’ve made too many mistakes.

Dark PhoeniX and the New Mutants will further tarnish the brand.

Disney would have a lot of work to do in the future. Kinberg is truly the worst overseeing the franchise. Completely incompetent.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[Marvel united]

They revealed a character's death in the second trailer. Its director then confirmed the death to the media. There's no red line any more.

Boxoffice.com projects the Domestic TOTAL to be $113Mil. That's a long ways off from the film's $150Mil budget, much less to it's ballooned $200Mil. Not to mention that if those numbers pan out, it'll be the lowest grossing domestic total and lowest domestic opener.

With that forecast $, they'll be desperate for eyes on this movie, akin to Singer revealing the secondary costumes from the end of Apocalypse and lifting the embargo super early.

There's less than 2 months left to do something, anything, different.

Man, I really hope not. I can't help but be a bit angry at Disney if this movie bombs

 

[EnDz0n3]

Man, I really hope not. I can't help but be a bit angry at Disney if this movie bombs

I don’t get it.

 

[carpenter82]

Clever

 

[Mysteryman]

COOL!

 

[Mysteryman]

I don’t get it.

Man, I really hope not. I can't help but be a bit angry at Disney if this movie bombs

If this movie bombs, it's on Fox.
They went with an inexperienced director.
They produced and marketed it.
Like I said, totally on Fox.

 

[Ordet]

I don't get the importance of what brand is cooler.

Yes, the Avengers is miles cooler than X-Men.
But at what cost?

Avengers' movie are the same level of Twilight Saga, with a production that target the same easier level of feeling with more than 50% of cool perception that comes from marketing (and yes, in this nobody can win over Disney).

In the same way Disney re-create the hype for Star Wars.


What it is very funny is that Origins, X3 (and in generally also the 2 F4 by Story) are at 100% proto-Marvel Studios movies.

 

[carpenter82]

I don't get the importance of what brand is cooler.

Yes, the Avengers is miles cooler than X-Men.
But at what cost?

Avengers' movie are the same level of Twilight Saga, with a production that target the same easier level of feeling with more than 50% of cool perception that comes from marketing (and yes, in this nobody can win over Disney).

In the same way Disney re-create the hype for Star Wars.


What it is very funny is that Origins, X3 (and in generally also the 2 F4 by Story) are at 100% proto-Marvel Studios movies.

How so?

 

[Alison Blaire]

You can’t sell DP as the end of a saga that takes 20 years. When in the previous movie you made a kind of reboot with a totally new cast.Except Fassy I don’t see a charismatic cast. The original cast if it was charismatic, many of us grew up with that cast.

An ending with them would be epic.

 

[Davidstorm]

these predictions are basically true shots in the dark and are almost always going wrong
I remember the boxoffice predicting 124million opening for XMA
according to them allita would have only 47m final box office (reached 85m) US would open with 49m (opened with 72m) lol

Reading more about the prediction, the journalist threw down the box office because he thinks people will stop watching the movie because they will be in the MCU in 4 or 5 years, this to me is totally without logic.
Looking at the box office history of the xmen franchise locally, I think DP should open with something similar to apocalypse 60-70m and end up with 155-165. (if it's a good movie).

 

[psylockolussus]

You can’t sell DP as the end of a saga that takes 20 years. When in the previous movie you made a kind of reboot with a totally new cast.Except Fassy I don’t see a charismatic cast. The original cast if it was charismatic, many of us grew up with that cast.

An ending with them would be epic.

You forgot to include Alan Cumming and Ben Foster!

 

[JP]

You really think that this movie has a shot of being a box office success? After what XMA brought in?

They know the movie is tracking poorly, and they're going to pull the same stuff they had to on XMA when that was tracking poorly: reveal the suits, add Wolverine's claws in the trailer, lift the embargo a month early, etc...

 

[EnDz0n3]

You really think that this movie has a shot of being a box office success? After what XMA brought in?

They know the movie is tracking poorly, and they're going to pull the same stuff they had to on XMA when that was tracking poorly: reveal the suits, add Wolverine's claws in the trailer, lift the embargo a month early, etc...

Watch. The narrative will change to (It’s already started): Disney is now doing the marketing. Disney is the best.

A month ago, Disney was evil.

(Disney also did The Lone Ranger, John Carter, etc. One can’t polish a turd. Disney also produced last year’s The Nutcracker. The movie Fox infamously was scared to go head-to-head to with Dark Phoenix.)

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't think this will break $500 million WW.

 

[SumT]

China will save this movie.
even if it doesnt reach 150m in USA, China will likely bring 120-140m there and the final numbers will end around XMA or maybe more.
And Fox execs will end pleased, saying "hey, we did fine signing Simon Kinberg to direct this one". meh

 

[Marvel united]

I don’t get it.

I could definitely see it annoying Feige and MS crew. Pretty much everybody who has to pick up the pieces from a bomb.

And the whole "end of it all' does feel premature considering the cast was just introduced in the last movie. At least TLS had been established franchise for 3 movies. And with Endgame, we've been with these characters for longer than a decade (11 years) so it makes sense.

Unfortunate byproduct of them immediately skipping to Dark Phoenix (instead of Onslaught) and then being cut out before Kinberg can do another

 

[X-Maniac]

This. It’s so sad. I still can’t believe people now think the avengers are “cooler” than the X-men. It all comes down to marketing and Fox has done nothing to make X-men a brand outside of the movies since the original trilogy. It doesn’t help that marvel basically disowned mutants but still, Disney has a lot of work to do after this movie. I’ve loved the Fox universe of movies btw but they’ve made too many mistakes.

It’s still salvageable (the X-Men not this film lol) if Disney do their usual long term planning and when merchandise starts to appear again.

That’s my hope anyway,

Not so much about Avengers being cooler but that Joe Public is more engaged with those characters. They’re more popular, there’s greater interest. That’s all down to Marvel Studios and Disney.

Even if Fox retained its grip on this brand, a follow up to Dark Phoenix would hardly do well. They’ve only cast minor actors in most of the classic X-Men roles and made them background characters. They’ve relied too much on Wolverine, Magneto, Xavier and now a mischaracterised Mystique. The fundamental thinking behind it all is flawed.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I could definitely see it annoying Feige and MS crew. Pretty much everybody who has to pick up the pieces from a bomb.

And the whole "end of it all' does feel premature considering the cast was just introduced in the last movie. At least TLS had been established franchise for 3 movies. And with Endgame, we've been with these characters for longer than a decade (11 years) so it makes sense.

Unfortunate byproduct of them immediately skipping to Dark Phoenix (instead of Onslaught) and then being cut out before Kinberg can do another

Then I don’t get why you’re blaming a whole different company for Fox’s mishandling of this franchise?

 

[Frankeh]

I think you could market DOFP as more of a sendoff than this movie. This franchise is very long in the tooth, I don't think it mantains the same appeal it had at it's peak. Not to mention the roles that have been recast.

I think Apocalypse benefitted from being a sequel to DOFP, the interest in this might be lower.

 

[Alison Blaire]

You forgot to include Alan Cumming and Ben Foster!