Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix News and Speculation Thread - - - - - - Part 15

[X-Maniac]

Interesting to see that now-deleted tweet from Lauren Shuler Donner (a few pages back) and how she hurriedly disassociates herself from this film and Apocalypse, even though her name is shown in the credits in huge text.

The old Hollywood adage of 'You're only as good as your last film' shows itself again!

We need the behind the scenes drama (probably in a few years) and I also wouldn't mind the original cut being put on the Blu-ray, though for this extra work to be done is unusual for poorly performing movies (no one wants to throw more money at a dud). Still, we can but hope!

 

[JP]

1 N The Secret Life of Pets 2 Uni. $47,110,000 - 4,561 - $10,329 $48,035,000 $80 1
2 N Dark Phoenix Fox $33,000,000 - 3,721 - $8,869 $33,000,000 - 1
3 2 Aladdin (2019) BV $24,500,000 -42.8% 3,805 -671 $6,439 $232,385,926 $183 3
4 1 Godzilla: King of the Monsters WB $15,540,000 -67.5% 4,108 - $3,783 $78,597,097 $170 2
5 3 Rocketman Par. $14,000,000 -45.6% 3,610 - $3,878 $50,498,756 $40 2

 

[sleekstereo]

This has been a terrible six months box office wise for Fox. Bohemian Rhapsody is their only saving grace.

 

[terry78]

Hence Disney absorbing them.

 

[Detective Conan]

Damn.... barely better than Fan4stic. Simon Kinberg has now killed both the Fantastic Four and X-Men on film.

He deserves to be put in director jail more than Josh Trank. Damn him, damn him! He should never touch a comic book property again after this.

 

[Frankeh]

Damn.... barely better than Fan4stic. Simon Kinberg has now killed Fantastic Four and X-Men on film.

He deserves to be put in director jail more than Josh Trank. Damn him, damn him!

Yup. Any defending him after this is mistifying to me.

 

[Alison Blaire]

[QUOTE = "JP, post: 37711113, miembro: 26261"] 1 N La vida secreta de las mascotas 2 Uni. $ 47,110,000 - 4,561 - $ 10,329 $ 48,035,000 $ 80 1
2 N Dark Phoenix Fox $ 33,000,000 - 3,721 - $ 8,869 $ 33,000,000 - 1
3 2 Aladdin (2019) BV $ 24,500,000 -42.8 % 3,805 -671 $ 6,439 $ 232,385,926 $ 183 3
4 1 Godzilla: Rey de los monstruos WB $ 15,540,000 -67.5 % 4,108 - $ 3,783 $ 78,597,097 $ 170 2
5 3 Rocketman Par. $ 14,000,000 -45.6% 3,610 - $ 3,878 $ 50,498,756 $ 40 2 [/ CITA]
WTF? Is sadly,damn Kinberg!!

 

[Mysteryman]

1 N The Secret Life of Pets 2 Uni. $47,110,000 - 4,561 - $10,329 $48,035,000 $80 1
2 N Dark Phoenix Fox $33,000,000 - 3,721 - $8,869 $33,000,000 - 1
3 2 Aladdin (2019) BV $24,500,000 -42.8% 3,805 -671 $6,439 $232,385,926 $183 3
4 1 Godzilla: King of the Monsters WB $15,540,000 -67.5% 4,108 - $3,783 $78,597,097 $170 2
5 3 Rocketman Par. $14,000,000 -45.6% 3,610 - $3,878 $50,498,756 $40 2

At least Aladdin is still doing well.
I want it to stick around long enough for me to see it.

 

[Mysteryman]

1 N The Secret Life of Pets 2 Uni. $47,110,000 - 4,561 - $10,329 $48,035,000 $80 1
2 N Dark Phoenix Fox $33,000,000 - 3,721 - $8,869 $33,000,000 - 1
3 2 Aladdin (2019) BV $24,500,000 -42.8% 3,805 -671 $6,439 $232,385,926 $183 3
4 1 Godzilla: King of the Monsters WB $15,540,000 -67.5% 4,108 - $3,783 $78,597,097 $170 2
5 3 Rocketman Par. $14,000,000 -45.6% 3,610 - $3,878 $50,498,756 $40 2

Wasn't the Secret Life of Pets 2 initially projected to do about 60 million?
What happened?
Did it drop off on Saturday?

 

[Hammer!]

X2 remains the only great X-Men film of the 7 in my eyes. 3 of the 7 were pretty bad. Won’t be surprised if this series is largely forgotten in the future, especially considering how apathetic the GA is over this “finale”.

1. X2 8.5
2. First Class 7.5
3. X-Men 7
4. DOFP 7
5. The Last Stand 5
6. Dark Phoenix 4.5
7. Apocalypse 4

Both Deadpool movies were good though, and while the first Wolverine is one of the worst CBM ever made, the second was decent while Logan was great. Overall, including the Daredevil and FF films, Fox had an 8-9 good to bad movie ratio with only 2 great movies in the bunch. Not shedding a tear that this over.

 

[Erik Lensherr]

 

[henzINNIT]

LSD dropping a twitter bomb is officially my favourite Dark Phoenix related thing so far. If there is any truth to her parting with the film series over her desire to see the original cast return then good on her.

Fox's short-sighted, cost-cutting approach frequently knee-capped this franchise. Ironically they ended up paying two-fold for every penny they saved on scrapping cast and crew and rushing productions. Hasty reshoots and on-going franchise damage isn't cheap. I'm a little disappointed that Fox aren't around to taste the sh*te they've served out to cinemas this time.

 

[MovieSlave]

Clearly someone who only or mainly watches comicbook films and not much else. That is such a biased and ridiculous statement. On a film making level Dark Phoenix is just not that good of a film. Not all the MCU films are winners but even the subpar ones are still filmed and structured a bit more competently.

 

[Mad Ones]

I'm going to post something longer later with more spoilers. But for now:

This film started really strong, but got exponentially worse as it went along, leaving me wondering if I had even watched a completed film.

 

[psylockolussus]

This has been a terrible six months box office wise for Fox. Bohemian Rhapsody is their only saving grace.

LSD dropping a twitter bomb is officially my favourite Dark Phoenix related thing so far. If there is any truth to her parting with the film series over her desire to see the original cast return then good on her.

Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned.

I used to (along with the other fans) bombard her twitter account asking for X5.

 

[DACrowe]

At least Aladdin is still doing well.
I want it to stick around long enough for me to see it.

.... Honestly, you'd be better off just seeing Booksmart.

 

[terry78]

.... Honestly, you'd be better off just seeing Booksmart.

Well that's just cray talk.

 

[DACrowe]

X2 remains the only great X-Men film of the 7 in my eyes. 3 of the 7 were pretty bad. Won’t be surprised if this series is largely forgotten in the future, especially considering how apathetic the GA is over this “finale”.

1. X2 8.5
2. First Class 7.5
3. X-Men 7
4. DOFP 7
5. The Last Stand 5
6. Dark Phoenix 5.5
7. Apocalypse 4

Both Deadpool movies were good though, and while the first Wolverine is one of the worst CBM ever made, the second was decent while Logan was great. Overall, including the Daredevil and FF films, Fox had an 8-9 good to bad movie ratio with only 2 great movies in the bunch. Not shedding a tear that this over.

If I had to rank them:

1. First Class - 9/10
2. Days of Future Past - 9/10
3. X2 - 8.5/10
4. X-Men - 8/10
5. Apocalypse - 6/10
6. Dark Phoenix - 5.5
7. The Last Stand - 3/10

Honestly, you include the Deadpool movies though and the Wolverine movies--which I really enjoyed The Wolverine too in spite of its third act problems--and I'd say that 8 out of 12 of them were good to great. That's honestly a better a ratio than others are pretending. But there's no denying it ended on a whimper.

Clearly someone who only or mainly watches comicbook films and not much else. That is such a biased and ridiculous statement. On a film making level Dark Phoenix is just not that good of a film. Not all the MCU films are winners but even the subpar ones are still filmed and structured a bit more competently.

Honestly, a few of them have similar structural problems to Dark Phoenix. The difference is the screenplay. Simon Kinberg is just not a good writer, and I'm still flabbergasted how Days of Future Past turned out good since he wrote the final draft and rewrites. Because his inability to write character interactions is what dooms Dark Phoenix. In terms of structural issues, it's also not great, but it's no worse than many of Marvel's most subpar movies (Iron Man 2, Thor: The Dark World, and Captain Marvel spring to mind). But because you weren't invested in what the characters are doing, or what the aliens wanted the Phoenix Force for, or how Jean was being "tempted," its (barely) serviceable three-act structure falls flat.

 

[Detective Conan]

‘Dark Phoenix’ Bombs And Will Lose $100M+: Here’s Why – Deadline

Even though Dark Phoenix is the No. 1 winner around the globe with $140M –down substantially from the worldwide launches of X-Men: Days of Future Past ($262.9M), Logan ($247.4M) and X-Men: Apocalypse ($166.6M), finance experts tell us that the tale of Jean Grey will burn out with an estimated $100M-$120M loss after ancillaries, off a combined production and P&A estimated cost of $350M+ (which includes reshoots). Final global B.O. is projected at $300M-$325M, with one film finance suit telling us “If it drops like a stone, $285M. Don’t forget it was a holiday in China, and even that was pretty low ($45.7M).”

Deadline also confirms a lot of what we knew of the troubled production. People please read the whole article.

 

[henzINNIT]

Days Of Future Past
X2
X-Men
First Class
The Last Stand
Apocalypse
Dark Phoenix

Origins still maintains it's title as worst X-Men movie overall.

 

[Detective Conan]

Whoa, that Deadline article has some juicy tidbits. You guys gotta read the whole article.

Now, Dark Phoenix was originally planned to be two movies, we hear, and during late pre-production, the studio changed gears and said it was to be one movie. Kinberg, we hear, was flexible and rewrote. Days of Future Past erased the timeline of The Last Stand, so a rebooted story about Jean Grey was possible here. Our sources tell us that testing Dark Phoenix was a continual headache, and the feature adaptation of Chris Claremont, John Byrne, and David Cockrum’s fan-beloved Dark Phoenix Saga comic was hard to get right.

We heard that in one cut, Jean Grey dies, which wasn’t received well. But overall, the major ending change-up, executed in reshoots, entailed going from an intimate ending with Jean Grey (Sophie Turner), Tye Sheridan (Cyclops), and Charles Xavier (James McAvoy) against Jessica Chastain’s Vuk. The feeling from the audience in testing was that they wanted to see all the X-Men heroes fighting in the end. There have been reports out there that the ending was changed-up because it was too similar to Captain Marvel. This isn’t true: No one on the Fox/Dark Phoenix production side had any intel of what Captain Marvel would be like before it was released. It was the all-team reshoot that pushed Dark Phoenix from its original Nov. 2 release date (which went to ultimate 4-time Oscar winner and Fox blockbuster finale pre-merger Bohemian Rhapsody) to Feb. 14. We understand Kinberg got to make the film he wanted to make, and was flexible about reshoots with the studio. But we also hear Fox production brass didn’t ride herd early enough, and by the time they did, production was too far down the road.

 

[-JKR-]

It is a shame, because I thought First Class and DOFP were among the best in the genre. They had such vitality. To see where Simon Kinberg (and Bryan Singer too) took the franchise afterward... is quite depressing. The definition of wasted potential.

Ah well, we still got Logan and Deadpool out of this era. I will say Dark Phoenix convinced me that it needs to be rebooted... which it really didn't only 5 years ago. You're right about taking a fresh series and turning it into the next TASM. Sigh.

AND "Deadpool 2"!

 

[Charzhin0]

So if it wasnt captain marvel then what other movie was the original end battle copying too much from?

 

[ILambda]

Fox should have picked up after apocalypse with a slightly smaller team movie set in the mid-late 80s, followed by a Proteus(he was teased in apocalypse) movie in early 90s, AND THEN a two parter of the dark phoenix saga to end it. Not to mention, hiring a competent director to oversee them. That would have been perfect.

 

[BMM]

So if it wasnt captain marvel then what other movie was the original end battle copying too much from?

I think the point is that the reshoots were actually the result of poor audience testing due to a lack of X-Men in the final battle not because Dark Phoenix was too similar to Captain Marvel or any other movie.