Dark Phoenix X-Men: Dark Phoenix Skepticism Thread

[psylockolussus]

They could have used Avalanche as a token henchmen than wasting Angel, Storm and Psylocke as the horsemen. He also would have been a better choice than Juggernaut in X3, as Juggernaut looked awful in the film. I am surprised after 13 films, he hasn't joined any of these films. While the likes of Riptide, Azazel, Arclight, Angel Dust, Viper, Ajax, Negasonic Teenage Warhead, Donald Pierce already debuted in the film series.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I agree, Avalanche could've been one of the main Brotherhood members in X3 instead of wasting Psylocke and then unceremoniously killing her off. And then Psylocke could've been wasted once in the franchise instead of two times now.

Then there's Arclight lol. Let's be honestly, Ratner just wanted to hire his model friend Omahyra, first as StacyX then as "Arclight! Target those weapons!"

 

[2kt09]

Keep thinking that Arclight actress is somehow related to Sean Teale.
Also, she's very androgynous.

 

[Lip]

I'm not a fan of wasting any character really. Ok, maybe characters like Angel Dust. You know, Z-list characters. Still, I'm not sure we can say Angel Dust was exactly wasted when she was far more relevant than Psylocke, Calisto and Madrox all together in X3.

I'd rather see Avalanche here for instance, even tho it's hard to imagine FOX investing in the characters they have like that:

 

[psylockolussus]

There are certain characters that should appear in multiple films and others that should be one and done. What I like about the MCU is most of the Avengers that were Avengers in the comics that appeared in their films has a long term plan except for Quicksilver. While Fox has wasted so many X-Men staples in villain/non X-Man role. MCU is already making solo films for Captain Marvel and Black Panther and the Avengers roster has gotten bigger than the biggest X-Men roster we ever saw in the big screen and Gambit has yet to join the X-Men. After the retcons, Psylocke, Jubilee and Angel aren't still X-Men. Emma, Banshee, Bishop will be one and done for how long, I don't know. Havok never joined the team.

While some people claim that MCU never had a lot of strong villains...but I'd rather see The likes of Mystique, Juggernaut, Avalanche as one and dones if it means the proper X-Men would get to shine properly anD return for a handful of films. But no its been about Logan, Raven, Erik and Xavier with Jean, Scott, Beast, Storm as secondary characters. While they could have developed a trilogy featuring Apocalypse and they decided to make him a 1 and done villain. While Raven and Erik are back for the 7th time. Then Quicksilver who hasn't even joined the team is now more popular than the actual X-Men from the comics. Its a misinterpretation of the team. People should care more and know more of Cyclops, Gambit, Psylocke than Mystique, Stryker, Quicksilver. Heck, I read the main X titles and I swear to God those three didn't appear more than Psylocke since their first appearance. And yet in the films, they keep returning.

 

[X-Maniac]

They could have used Avalanche as a token henchmen than wasting Angel, Storm and Psylocke as the horsemen.

The choice of Angel, Storm and Psylocke was fine... but they ended up being underdeveloped or wasted.

It makes sense that if Apocalype rose in Egypt, it's an ideal opportunity to cross paths with a young Storm who was an orphan/thief on the streets of Cairo.

Archangel is strongly associated with Apocalypse so I can see why they were keen to do that. And no doubt Singer loved the contrasting angel/demon symbolism of Angel and Nightcrawler.

Psylocke was a late entry after they decided against having Xavier as a horseman.

All three horsemen just needed a bit more dialogue, a couple more lines each. A good explanation from Storm of why she hated humans and joined Apocalypse was cut, for no good reason IMO.

Caliban could have been cut from the film and then instead have Psylocke leading that organisation she was in. We could have heard there was a group of psychics (who we already saw in the movie) called the Crimson Dawn who were keeping an eye on the mutants of the world, wanted mutants to rule and were hungry for power. It's a big reimagining of the Crimson Dawn from the comics but would work in the movie.

He also would have been a better choice than Juggernaut in X3, as Juggernaut looked awful in the film. I am surprised after 13 films, he hasn't joined any of these films. While the likes of Riptide, Azazel, Arclight, Angel Dust, Viper, Ajax, Negasonic Teenage Warhead, Donald Pierce already debuted in the film series.

Aren't we getting a new Juggernaut in Deadpool 2 or something? A proper fight with Colossus at last!

 

[X-Maniac]

I agree, Avalanche could've been one of the main Brotherhood members in X3 instead of wasting Psylocke and then unceremoniously killing her off. And then Psylocke could've been wasted once in the franchise instead of two times now.

Then there's Arclight lol. Let's be honestly, Ratner just wanted to hire his model friend Omahyra, first as StacyX then as "Arclight! Target those weapons!"

Omahyra Mota, Dania Ramirez and Mei Melancon were all cast because Ratner knew them, either as friends or because he'd worked with them before.

Their roles were all somewhat fluid in the early stages of production. Vaughn had written Stacy X into his X3 treatment so Omahyra was initially in that role. I seem to recall that various roles were mentioned to Mei and Dania as well.

Psylocke in X3 originally had a larger role, including an action scene where she used her psi-blades, but it was never filmed after the script was reworked.

 

[Mad Ones]

Why am I not surprised Vaughn wrote in Stacy X?

 

[Lip]

The choice of Angel, Storm and Psylocke was fine... but they ended up being underdeveloped or wasted.

I still don't think was fine. Those characters agreed with massive destruction. This is big. I'd rather see only one known character with three Z-list. For that movie would make more sense Eric and he was the only one developed anyway.

Angel was another great choice, but he has a whole story about becoming a horseman, but that was taken away for what? Power display. They only chose Angel because Archangel is visually cool. The character served no purposed whatsover. That's how superficial they were.

 

[psylockolussus]

Storm, Angel andPsylocke were never gonna get that character development especially in a two hour movie in which they are also introducing Jean, Cyclops and Kurt to the team. Then the personal journey of Kinberg's fav Magneto, Mystique as a mutant hero figure, Peter's story arc with his dad, the forced romance between Moira/Xavier and of course Apocalypse.

They should have used villains from.the comics that could easily pass as silent henchmen. You won't see a lot of people complaining about Toad, Riptide, Tempest, Azazel for just being there for the action. But not those X-Men staples that aren't even villains for most of their comic book history.

 

[psyonic]

Keep thinking that Arclight actress is somehow related to Sean Teale.
Also, she's very androgynous.

She used to date Boyd Holbrook in real life lol Donald Pierce and Arclight

 

[Frankeh]

Archangel is strongly associated with Apocalypse so I can see why they were keen to do that. And no doubt Singer loved the contrasting angel/demon symbolism of Angel and Nightcrawler.

That's why it always seemed head-scratching to me that one poster would say they gave Angel's character arc to Magneto on the film as some sort of excuse?

Like, Angel was brought in because of his association with Apocalypse, and yet they took that association away from him, leaving his appearance down to, he changes to metal wings so its cool?? And for an original five X-Men character. Mess.

 

[henzINNIT]

Singer's appreciation for Archangel begins and ends with the transformation sadly. It's the only interesting sequence he's involved with. In hindsight, even Ratner squeezed out 2 decent Angel scenes.

 

[Weather Witch]

Singer's appreciation for Archangel begins and ends with the transformation sadly.

Still one more decent scene than X-Men: Blue has given us for Angel so far.

 

[def28]

Singer's appreciation for Archangel begins and ends with the transformation sadly. It's the only interesting sequence he's involved with. In hindsight, even Ratner squeezed out 2 decent Angel scenes.

They wanted walking decorations not characters.

 

[psylockolussus]

Singer isn't even a X-Men fan at heart. Maybe he considers himself as a fan but he cherry picks which character should shine or npt. And yeah, Angel is an original member and in this series, he is as unimportant as the other d listers shown in a handful of scenes. He just doesn't get the X-Men.

 

[Derrick]

At six X-Men movies, and several spin-offs, I think people are just bored of the subject.

For this movie to succeed...they need to reboot again.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Marvel buys 20th Century Fox, then that would be possible so fingers cross!

 

[Erik Lensherr]

God, i hate this thread.

This thread really brings out the worst in people

 

[psylockolussus]

No, it just brings out their opinion about Fox's misguided treatment of the X-Men.

 

[Elayis]

This movie is going to blow hard. You thought Kinberg was bad when filtered through Ratner & Singer? The world isn't ready for full-on Kinberg unleashed. This will be Apocalypse on steroids.

 

[psylockolussus]

If North America didn't eat up Justice League (heck Dark Phoenix would need a miracle to open with $94 million), I just don't see how this would surprise everyone. War of Apes was nice and that underperformed. What about a sequel to a critical failure and a box office underperformer like Apocalypse directed by a bad writer?

 

[autumnkid2000]

There are certain characters that should appear in multiple films and others that should be one and done. What I like about the MCU is most of the Avengers that were Avengers in the comics that appeared in their films has a long term plan except for Quicksilver. While Fox has wasted so many X-Men staples in villain/non X-Man role. MCU is already making solo films for Captain Marvel and Black Panther and the Avengers roster has gotten bigger than the biggest X-Men roster we ever saw in the big screen and Gambit has yet to join the X-Men. After the retcons, Psylocke, Jubilee and Angel aren't still X-Men. Emma, Banshee, Bishop will be one and done for how long, I don't know. Havok never joined the team.

I agree with this. I am an X-Men fan first, Marvel fan second. But I'm gonna admit, if there's one thing that the MCU gets right and to which people respond well, it's that they have a plan for everyone and it's what keeps people invested, assuring their attendance when the next movie comes out.

I can't say the same for Fox. I waited for some kind of payoff with the First Class ending with Emma Frost or heck, with the FC team of Havok and Banshee, or even the stinger of Mystique impersonating Stryker at the end of DOFP, but none came. There's talk of an X-23 spinoff and I'm quite excited for that, but I'm not getting my hopes up that the kid characters I got invested in will be showing up under the same incarnation. I won't be surprised if Rictor gets recast. The same way that Caliban had two different incarnations less than a year apart. Then we'll beat ourselves up tying to make excuses that this could be another timeline thing. That's the thing we have come to expect from Fox and it's so frustrating. I do not want predictability. I just want a sense of direction.

 

[SumT]

They wanted walking decorations not characters.

the biggest problem of this franchise and the reason Id love to see both Singer and Kinberg gone forever.

but since Kinberg is here to stay, the franchise/X-Men wont ever reach its full potential.

 

[marvelrobbins]

God, i hate this thread.

This thread really brings out the worst in people

you mean like every other thread where haters bash everything x-men and fox.

the point when i started this was to try to limit this discussion here.and it isn't even constructve.reasons to be skeptical of kinberg as director but nothing but hate from those who want x-men cinematic universe to end.even worse in marvel films section with thread of those praying for disney to buy fox and end x-men cinematic universe though they i feel are delsional with their idea feige would continue deadpool films in present form.