Dark Phoenix X-Men Dark Phoenix SPOILER Discussion

[EnDz0n3]

Even if she used the codename "Psylocke" (and she didn't in the movie), she's still Kwannon, not Betsy.
We know that Betsy is American... there's a Betsy Braddock/Psylocke, and she's the one featured in "Apocalypse". Different genetic make-up.
A codename is just a codename.
That was an Asian girl with a total different set of powers.

If we can just say a codename is a codename so two characters sharing the same name is not a continuity error, then why did you have to MAKE UP the obvious (and hilarious!) lie that Sebastian Shaw is a time traveler to prove that he's different from the "Dr. Shaw" in X2?

I mean I don't really care what your actual response is, it'll just be a source of a hearty LOL moment from the future reply this post will provide.

 

[ORichalski]

Apparently, Scott is holding something on his hands, when the Phoenix Force is moving in front of him.

Put on 1:41 of the trailer.
What it's possibly be?

 

[icekid]

Apparently, Scott is holding something on his hands, when the Phoenix Force is moving in front of him.

Put on 1:41 of the trailer.
What it's possibly be?

Light play on something to the left of him, most likely. No one is holding anything in that scene.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It's just some debris on the ground.

 

[Hand Banana]

Venom’s second trailer played when Infinity War hit theaters. Meaning that the audience of 2 billion movie watched it.

Dark Phoenix’s final trailer is going to play when Endgame hits theaters, which is likely to make 2 billion dollars as well.

I see what Disney is doing.

Called it!


Btw, I’ve seen a few people say they want to see this and they have never seen any of the X-Men films. Same case with Logan. Got me thinking that the X-Men series is nearly 20 years old, older than anyone who is a minor today. So I imagine the majority of the younger general audience has never watched the older films.

 

[itsrivv]

Called it!


Btw, I’ve seen a few people say they want to see this and they have never seen any of the X-Men films. Same case with Logan. Got me thinking that the X-Men series is nearly 20 years old, older than anyone who is a minor today. So I imagine the majority of the younger general audience has never watched the older films.

That was exactly the point I was trying to make some pages back. Fox has let the X-men become culturally irrelevant, kids don’t know or care about these characters and they’ve done nothing to change that for at least 10 years.

I see pics of Jean on Instagram with tons of comments by young people calling her a copycat Scarlet Witch...it’s sad.

 

[icekid]

Could be possible. That doesn't change the movies are fine, even if they leave large room for theories based on some serious evidence on-screen.

By the way, "Apocalypse" is set in 1983, TLS is set in 2005. Also, different powers. LOL.

So, by the power of Occam's razor, my theory could me more plausible than yours.

Who cares about the final credits?

Do you really know that TLS is set in 2005? We have no clue what year anything in the OT was set in. No evidence, not even a hint of it. Look at Erik from FC through Dark Phoenix, age and time mean nothing when it comes to looks. They all have an incredible daily skin care regiment, that’s what I’m going to call canon.
Different Powers? Yeah, she didn’t really do much and had blended with a wall, we don’t know if that was part of her telepathy or something she had no reason to use in her Apocalypse appearance. I can say as an uncontested FACT, in Dark Phoenix was going to be shown if Olivia Munn didn’t have to drop out for scheduling she would have used her telepathy, remaining evidence is right there in what she was rewritten into, Selene. That’s a power not shown in one film but shown in another. Kitty Pryde has the power to send someone’s mind back in time and who knows when that manifested, she could have always had it but never really knew what it was or how to utilize it. It’s not explicitly stated either way. So your reasoning is null and void.

Angel in Apocalypse could have been James Worthington, brother of Warren Worthington II. Having never been liberated from a life of cage fighting that he fell into after being banished from his family by his father, ended up dying. His brother who was the only one that kept in touch with him and wanted to help, discovered his body and that emotionally scarred him. When his son later shows the same mutation as his brother, says “not you too” and fearful of his son having the same life as his brother, he puts all his company’s efforts into finding a cure to, as he genuinely sees it, help mutant kind. This has just about the same amount of serious on-screen evidence as literally everything you pass around as fact and canon, so by your criteria, this is canon too.

You can’t bend the definition of canon and force feed everyone your ideas and theories under that disguise. There has to be some part of you that sees this.

 

[Hand Banana]

That was exactly the point I was trying to make some pages back. Fox has let the X-men become culturally irrelevant, kids don’t know or care about these characters and they’ve done nothing to change that for at least 10 years.

I see pics of Jean on Instagram with tons of comments by young people calling her a copycat Scarlet Witch...it’s sad.

There hasn’t been a X-Men movie in 13 years. That’s the problem. They have hung up on spin-offs since The Last Stand.

 

[GuestStar2004]

I don't think FC,DOFP and Apocalypse are seen as spin offs

 

[hurrikane2]

That was exactly the point I was trying to make some pages back. Fox has let the X-men become culturally irrelevant, kids don’t know or care about these characters and they’ve done nothing to change that for at least 10 years.

I see pics of Jean on Instagram with tons of comments by young people calling her a copycat Scarlet Witch...it’s sad.

That’s not all FOX’s fault ..you can’t make kids go watch movies that came out years before they was born...the X-men are relevent to people my age because we grew up with the cartoon ..just because kids and other younger people are just plain ignorant , is not all fox’s fault, new generation new tastes!! There are kids that think jay-z is a terrible rapper ..is that jay-z’s fault??? He still puts out music and the music is good it’s just the young generation is not into him..that’s the wave! Kids don’t read comic books that much anymore so all they know is the movies

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I don't think FC,DOFP and Apocalypse are seen as spin offs

Uh, no, they’re very much mainline team films.

 

[Hand Banana]

I don't think FC,DOFP and Apocalypse are seen as spin offs

They don’t feature a X-Men team, until the very of that trilogy. First Class was even marketed as a time before the X-Men.

Uh, no, they’re very much mainline team films.

What team?

 

[GuestStar2004]

They don’t feature a X-Men team, until the very of that trilogy. First Class was even marketed as a time before the X-Men.

Not sure that means much. once you call your film something like X-Men: days of future past. that doesn't really scream spin off.

Even Dark Phoenix probably won't be seen as a spin off, even if the X-Men title isn't there for some countries.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

They don’t feature a X-Men team, until the very of that trilogy. First Class was even marketed as a time before the X-Men.



What team?

They’re extended team origin films.

First Class - The formation of the first X-Men team; Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, Havok and Banshee.

Days of Future Past - The future team finds a way to alter the past; Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, Storm, Shadowcat, Iceman, Bishop, Colossus, Sunspot, Blink and Warpath.

Apocalypse - The formation of the second team after a couple of silly, light retcons; Xavier, Mystique, Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver and Storm.

But the fact that “X-Men” is featured in each title kind of says it all.

 

[Hand Banana]

They’re extended team origin films.

First Class - The formation of the first X-Men team; Xavier, Magneto, Mystique, Beast, Havok and Banshee.

Days of Future Past - The future team finds a way to alter the past; Xavier, Magneto, Wolverine, Storm, Shadowcat, Iceman, Bishop, Colossus, Sunspot, Blink and Warpath.

Apocalypse - The formation of the second team after a couple of silly, light retcons; Xavier, Mystique, Beast, Cyclops, Jean, Nightcrawler, Quicksilver and Storm.

But the fact that “X-Men” is featured in each title kind of says it all.

The team featured in First Class never call themselves the X-Men and they didn’t go on another mission afterwords in seems. Even Singer said they were not a legit X-Men team. It’s a Magneto origin movie more anything else and it was originally going to be called “X-Men Origins: Magneto” until the poor reception of X-Men Origins: Wolverine. Magneto is the character that gets the most screen time and he’s not even a X-Man. So I wouldn’t call a film that was written as a supervillain origin story featuring a throwaway team a mainline team movie.

Days of Future Past features the actual X-Men team but they are not in the spotlight at all. The vast majority of the movie focuses on the prequel cast and a past where there is no team what so ever.

Apocalypse is the closest to being a mainline team movie but the team isn’t really formed until at the very end and the movie is mostly a conclusion of the Magneto/Xavier saga.

Having X-Men in the title doesn’t mean much when the first Wolverine movie was titled “X-Men Origins: Wolverine”. But my point is in these past 13 years there hasn’t been a film that spotlighted an actual X-Men team.

 

[Drab87]

Quick question: Maybe I missed it is there a post where there is just a full summary of the movie? (Well the version that some of you have saw)

 

[The Original Bamfer]

No, it’s scattered throughout.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Having X-Men in the title doesn’t mean much when the first Wolverine movie was titled “X-Men Origins: Wolverine”.

"X-Men Origins" was a brand title they were aiming for. which would have been spin off origin stories of various characters

Difference with say FC,DOFP and Apocalyse is that they went back to the original titling system of just "X-Men" which was also part of the original flagship movies.

Now you could argue they changed that abit of Dark Phoenix. but some countries do have "X-Men" as part of the title.

 

[Mutant 77]

The team featured in First Class never call themselves the X-Men and they didn’t go on another mission afterwords in seems.

Incorrect. Mystique confirmed that they were X-Men. It's canon. They used the name "among them".
Even when Lehnsherr and Mystique departed, Havok, Beast and Banshee stayed with Xavier. There's no evidence that they didn't embark on some missions after that; I'm sure they did, and maybe there were some other "new" X-Men with them.
All ended with the Vietnam war, as stated in DOFP.

Apocalypse - The formation of the second team after a couple of silly, light retcons.

No silly, light "retcons" in the movie at all, apart from Angel (third timeline).
Xavier reformed the school, Hank was working with him and planning the X-Men project, Havok has been always supposed to be father/older brother than Cyclops (idea from comic books, AU), Mystique was a mutant heroine like at the end of DOFP, Xavier intercepted Jean as promised to Logan.

All perfect.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Incorrect. Mystique confirmed that they were X-Men. It's canon. They used the name "among them".
Even when Lehnsherr and Mystique departed, Havok, Beast and Banshee stayed with Xavier. There's no evidence that they didn't embark on some missions after that; I'm sure they did, and maybe there were some other "new" X-Men with them.
All ended with the Vietnam war, as stated in DOFP.



No silly, light "retcons" in the movie at all, apart from Angel (third timeline).
Xavier reformed the school, Hank was working with him and planning the X-Men project, Havok has been always supposed to be father/older brother than Cyclops (idea from comic books, AU), Mystique was a mutant heroine like at the end of DOFP, Xavier intercepted Jean as promised to Logan.

All perfect.

Do you know the definition of the word “perfect”? That’s a serious question.

 

[Hand Banana]

Incorrect. Mystique confirmed that they were X-Men. It's canon. They used the name "among them".
Even when Lehnsherr and Mystique departed, Havok, Beast and Banshee stayed with Xavier. There's no evidence that they didn't embark on some missions after that; I'm sure they did, and maybe there were some other "new" X-Men with them.
All ended with the Vietnam war, as stated in DOFP.

No they didn’t. It was Moria that came up with the name at the very end of the film after Mystique left with Magneto. Given that Singer also said right before Apocalypse released that they weren’t X-Men I think it’s safe to say Mystique was just trying to boost the group’s morale.

 

[rebellion]

Im not naming, but i hope a certain someone here can some day get the best help they can get. That is all.

 

[Hand Banana]

Is there any known reason why The Last Stand didn’t featured a fight between Phoenix and the X-Men or anybody for that matter?

 

[icekid]

Is there any known reason why The Last Stand didn’t featured a fight between Phoenix and the X-Men or anybody for that matter?

Because she was mutant Carrie at prom. Standing still with wild eyes and strained fingers.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

The Dark Phoenix saga was relegated to a subplot so Jean was put on the back burner. So disappointing. She was originally supposed to be the one to move the Golden Gate Bridge, but, Magneto. Bummer.