Sequels X-Men: First Class

[spideyboy_1111]

No, he wasn't. He signed a general development deal with Fox. Singer never signed a contract to direct X-Men 3. If he did, he would have been in breach of said contract, and 20th Century Fox would have done a hell of a lot more than throw him off the lot.

actually he did.. and he was writting and developing it for a while... then as soon as superman returns happend, he broke it, and ran off with all his ideas. Basically he pulled fox along, then ditched them in pre-production. It was a very ******* of a move none the less.

 

[BMM]

yeah, i'm thinkin magik blacked out on that one... there was news all over the place of singer even running off with his script and all his X3 ideas so fox couldn't get them.

You make it sound like a bad thing, when it’s simple common sense. You don’t get fired and then hand over your intellectual property for free to the individuals who fired you.

actually he did.. and he was writting and developing it for a while... then as soon as superman returns happend, he broke it, and ran off with all his ideas. Basically he pulled fox along, then ditched them in pre-production. It was a very ******* of a move none the less.

Unless you have proof otherwise, Singer signed a two year development deal with 20th Century Fox and was negotiating a separate contract to direct X-Men 3 when he left to do Superman Returns. He can't just sign a multi-million dollar contract, string the studio along, and walk away at his leisure. He surely would have faced legal ramifications, if he had.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=533

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117907948.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1

 

[Electrix]

If Storm appears in this new film, I vote Zoe Saldana play the role!

I think it was a mistake hiring Halle Berry as Storm. This time, I hope they hire an actor who just BRINGS it. Instead of hiring them simply because they're a big name actor.

Zoe Saldana is 31. In X-Men: First Class Storm will be a teenager.

Zoe is actually a 'rising star' at the moment just like Halle was when she was cast as Storm. If they did hire Zoe it would be because she is the 'hottest thing' at the moment, just like Halle was. They need to find an unknown actress who IS Storm. Storm needs to be less American too.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Saldana will be perfect for X-4 maybe 6-7 years down the line.

 

[Downhere]

Unless you have proof otherwise, Singer signed a two year development deal with 20th Century Fox and was negotiating a separate contract to direct X-Men 3 when he left to do Superman Returns. He can't just sign a multi-million dollar contract, string the studio along, and walk away at his leisure. He surely would have faced legal ramifications, if he had.

http://www.superherohype.com/news/x-mennews.php?id=533

http://www.variety.com/article/VR1117907948.html?categoryid=1236&cs=1

Yeah, I was here reading all the news during the whole X-Men 3 fiasco, and I don't remember him being signed on for X3, just a two year development deal with Fox as you stated. Frankly, considering X2 was such a huge success, Fox should have signed him on right after the opening weekend of X2 or at least by the end of that year.

 

[JP]

actually he was... and yes.. he did try to steal actors away.. where the hell were you during this?

I was right here on this forum. As I and others have mentioned, Singer was not signed on to direct X3. I remember threads where people where freaking out "Why is FOX taking so long?", etc.

They signed most of the cast right after X2 opened. They should have done the same with Bryan, but they didn't. Was he supposed to just wait around? Of course not. Especially when an opportunity like Superman comes along. Fox could have easily waited for him to finish, like Sony and Raimi, and WB and Nohlan. But, they instead decided to rush the production. Even when Vaughn signed onto the film, it was still being rushed.

And to say that Singer deliberately stole actors away just so they couldn't be in X3 is utter ********.

 

[danoyse]

And to say that Singer deliberately stole actors away just so they couldn't be in X3 is utter ********.

As I recall, anytime Singer was spotted with anyone from X-Men after he left it was speculated he was 'stealing them away' to star in Superman. They had Famke playing Superman's mother at one point, another time they had Hugh playing Jonathan Kent.

None of it was true, of course. I think most of the time they were just meeting for lunch.

 

[Electrix]

Fox could have easily waited for him to finish, like Sony and Raimi, and WB and Nohlan. But, they instead decided to rush the production. Even when Vaughn signed onto the film, it was still being rushed.

One guy shouldn't hold up an entire franchise. I appreciate that he wanted to make Superman but did he expect Fox and the whole cast to wait for him?

Spider-Man and Batman are different because they make way more money than X-Men, and they only have 2 or 3 key cast members. Sony realised that Raimi + Spiderman = $800 million, so they want to keep it that way. Warner Bros. are waiting for Nolan because he makes them tonnes of money too. With X-Men just about any director could have earned it $400 million, and Brett Ratner proved that.

 

[danoyse]

One guy shouldn't hold up an entire franchise. I appreciate that he wanted to make Superman but did he expect Fox and the whole cast to wait for him?

Spider-Man and Batman are different because they make way more money than X-Men, and they only have 2 or 3 key cast members. Sony realised that Raimi + Spiderman = $800 million, so they want to keep it that way. Warner Bros. are waiting for Nolan because he makes them tonnes of money too. With X-Men just about any director could have earned it $400 million, and Brett Ratner proved that.

Exactly. If anything, he should have waited until he was finished with X-Men until he went off to do Superman. Of course, Fox should have gotten off their respective *** to sign him to finish off the X-Men movies, but they had no reason to wait for him once he left for another project.

 

[JP]

Exactly. If anything, he should have waited until he was finished with X-Men until he went off to do Superman. Of course, Fox should have gotten off their respective *** to sign him to finish off the X-Men movies, but they had no reason to wait for him once he left for another project.

If you have two jobs lined up, and one of them makes you an offer, do you not take said offer because you're waiting for the other job to make a move?
"Sorry guys, I can't direct Superman because I might be directing X3."


Also, you guys are forgetting how rushed X3 was. Even before Singer left to do Superman, there just wasn't enough time to make the film to meet the Summer 2006 tentpole. That's the only reason why they didn't wait for Singer. They desperately wanted the film out by that date.

 

[danoyse]

Also, you guys are forgetting how rushed X3 was. Even before Singer left to do Superman, there just wasn't enough time to make the film to meet the Summer 2006 tentpole. That's the only reason why they didn't wait for Singer. They desperately wanted the film out by that date.

No, I didn't forget. They also had a huge cast and had to commit to whatever their schedules were as well. They had a director drop and another come in to replace him just weeks before shooting started. If they had scrapped the whole thing and started over, it would have cost them a fortune, which is why they wouldn't bend on the release date.

It was that kind of stuff that put Superman so over-budget before they even started filming SR that screwed Warner Bros over in the end. Fox wasn't going to get trapped in the same situation.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

actually he did.. and he was writting and developing it for a while... then as soon as superman returns happend, he broke it, and ran off with all his ideas. Basically he pulled fox along, then ditched them in pre-production. It was a very ******* of a move none the less.

Spideyboy, Singer was NEVER signed for X3, do you think if he had signed a contract Fox would have just let him walk from it?

He never actually signed to do X3, he was negotiating with Fox but Fox were dawdling so he went for the better offer from WB.

 

[Project862006]

exactly he could of been sued and took to court if he was signed

 

[Deaths Head II]

I can't believe some people seriously think Singer wouldn't have been sued to hell and back if he walked out after being signed onto X3.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I was right here on this forum. As I and others have mentioned, Singer was not signed on to direct X3. I remember threads where people where freaking out "Why is FOX taking so long?", etc.

They signed most of the cast right after X2 opened. They should have done the same with Bryan, but they didn't. Was he supposed to just wait around? Of course not. Especially when an opportunity like Superman comes along. Fox could have easily waited for him to finish, like Sony and Raimi, and WB and Nohlan. But, they instead decided to rush the production. Even when Vaughn signed onto the film, it was still being rushed.

And to say that Singer deliberately stole actors away just so they couldn't be in X3 is utter ********.

developing x3/signed on for x3... tomato tomahto in my eyes... its still a contract he backed out of. Singer has proven several times he's a *****e. And anyone in LA knows he's a creep, and tried to steal the actors away. His feud with fox was very, very ugly+

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If you have two jobs lined up, and one of them makes you an offer, do you not take said offer because you're waiting for the other job to make a move?
"Sorry guys, I can't direct Superman because I might be directing X3."


Also, you guys are forgetting how rushed X3 was. Even before Singer left to do Superman, there just wasn't enough time to make the film to meet the Summer 2006 tentpole. That's the only reason why they didn't wait for Singer. They desperately wanted the film out by that date.

X3 was on his plate before superman returns though. All signs including his development deal was pointed at him doing X3...

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

developing x3/signed on for x3... tomato tomahto in my eyes... its still a contract he backed out of. Singer has proven several times he's a *****e. And anyone in LA knows he's a creep, and tried to steal the actors away. His feud with fox was very, very ugly+

But he never signed to do the movie Spidey, if he had, Fox would have been able to sue the **** out of him for breaking the contract.

He had no obligation to do X3 and when Fox stalled, I dont blame him for accepting a definitive offer.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But he never signed to do the movie Spidey, if he had, Fox would have been able to sue the **** out of him for breaking the contract.

He had no obligation to do X3 and when Fox stalled, I dont blame him for accepting a definitive offer.

he still pulled out of negotiations with fox and created a huge war between the 2. that part none the less was very apparent.

let's not forget Alan, Ian, Rebecca, and Halle all have spoken about there distaste for singer and the way he acted. hell I remember one quote from ian saying something about he'd be damned if he ever went to one of singer's parties.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

he still pulled out of negotiations with fox and created a huge war between the 2. that part none the less was very apparent.

let's not forget Alan, Ian, Rebecca, and Halle all have spoken about there distaste for singer and the way he acted. hell I remember one quote from ian saying something about he'd be damned if he ever went to one of singer's parties.

He pulled out of negotiations because they were dawdling offering him a contract, they were essentially trying to get him on the cheap. Now who are you going to go for? A studio trying to underpay you and one who interfears all the time or a studio that offers you a lucerative contract and complete freedom to make the movie you want too?

I know which option I would go with. And I couldnt care less what the actors said to be honest, non of them spoke highly of Ratner either and plenty of hated on James Cameron despite getting career best performances out of them and making excellent movies.

The fact of the matter is Fox dropped the ball by not signing him up as soon as X2 was a success, and then dawdled, THEY lost out, its as simple as that, he never signed any contract because they were in general being Fox.

I have no sympathy for Fox at all and every sympathy for Singer because I was on here every day while it unfolded and know what happened.

 

[Psykoelf]

Zoe Saldana is 31. In X-Men: First Class Storm will be a teenager.

Zoe is actually a 'rising star' at the moment just like Halle was when she was cast as Storm. If they did hire Zoe it would be because she is the 'hottest thing' at the moment, just like Halle was. They need to find an unknown actress who IS Storm. Storm needs to be less American too.

It would be good to see if they do have Storm in FC (as a kid), that Gambit is as well, referencing the storyline where they first meet. Gives a sort of flow on from XO: Wolverine

 

[Nathan]

I really hope First Class will reference XO:W as little as possible.

 

[Angamb]

I hope its a complex movie, with a complex plot.

I want a serious movie, with a serious tone, in the line of X1.

cant wait to see it already....

 

[zenith16]

Most the X-Men space opera stories that didn't involved the Phonenix sucked though. Really how many of those stories were good?

Plus how does the Lucifer story itself fit in with the theme of persecution?




How does the Lucifer storyline tie into that? Its a generic alien invansion story line. How does that story fit into the theme of prescutrion? Its kinda a lame and generic storyline frankly



So what, none of that changes the fact that Magneto could have hurt Xavier in a fit anger, none of that changes that possibility and that would be more compelling then some generic space alien villain doing it.

Why is Lucifer a compelling character? Considering Magneto crippled Xavier in two other versions of X-Men, why would be unfaithful to the source material for him to do it the movies, it would make the movie more streamline

The fact is Lucifer is a pretty generic and boring character, so I don't see why a more compelling character can't cripple Xavier. I don't see why Lucifer is interesting



I don't see why I should suspensd my disblief for such an uninteresting character as Lucifer



Those movies were better written then the Lucifer storyline.



Most the X-Men space opera stories that didn't involved the Phonenix sucked though. Really how many of those stories were good?

Plus how does the Lucifer story itself fit in with the theme of persecution?




How does the Lucifer storyline tie into that? Its a generic alien invansion story line. How does that story fit into the theme of prescutrion? Its kinda a lame and generic storyline frankly. I mean who says the Lucifer storyline is a classic X-Men tale?



So what, none of that changes the fact that Magneto could have hurt Xavier in a fit anger, none of that changes that possibility and that would be more compelling then some generic space alien villain doing it.

Why is Lucifer a compelling character? Considering Magneto crippled Xavier in two other versions of X-Men, why would be unfaithful to the source material for him to do it the movies, it would make the movie more streamline

The fact is Lucifer is a pretty generic and boring character, so I don't see why a more compelling character can't cripple Xavier. I don't see why Lucifer is interesting character.



I don't see why I should suspend my disbelief for such an uninteresting character as Lucifer.



Let me ask this, was Iron Man unfaithful to the comics because Tony Stark was injured in Afghanistan instead of Vietnam?

There is a difference between being faithful to source material and being dogmatic to it. Lucifer is an uninteresting crap character and his storyline is dull and generic and very few fans care about him to see him on the screen. There are far more interesting stories and villains then ones involving Lucifer, that should appear on film besides him.

I see no reason why Lucifer should cripple Xavier because he did the Silver age, he is just a dull character and his role could easily as the guy who crippled Xavier can be replaced by an more compelling villain. He just not that interesting.

well over lord you and I have come at an Impasse then . The problem with what you said here really conflict withs the conversation prof x had with magneto at t the senate hearing hallway at the beginning of the movie.

again I'm going to refer to that. you listen to the words he chose cause your saying of magneto crippling his best friend over what humans did in hate riot and it translating to magneto getting angry and suddenly that means must hurt best friend make your story idea more generic then what I'm suggesting and what was put in the comics that your trying to push as generic cause those stories are ether older then you are as old as you are. I doubt you even read them for to have valid claim of them being generic or ether. I think when you saw say Lucifer you looked him wiki style read his bio in a sort way saw the year, and chose to write it off.

point it what your saying will cheapen the relation ship Xavier had with magneto and cheapen that conversation at the senate hearing in the hallway. it cheapens the relation in how if mag's did indeed hurt Xavier in that stupid bit of rage, that any one has ever seen the first movie would find what he 's saying about his distrust that what he's saying is moronic. and Xavier being understanding and trying to reason with him is basically the same as well. and then there would be no point in Xavier trying to tell magneto that. at all. it''s shown as both gits.

Normal humans can still be trusted some happened and it before that senate hearing a little more resent then what he experienced at the concentration camps and he didn't chose to act on his war on humans until after that.
and him acting like a psycho just be fore that anyone in Xavier's position that had a friend that did what your suggesting magneto to do wouldn't bother., to have had that conversation and seeing Xavier's a telepath he would have notice mag's has a psycho streak from there in that event and had him jailed in a asylum to get him help.

and again your for getting that others here besides me have said that if they have magneto do this crippling of Xavier it'll cheapen things for the movie as well.

cripple Xavier.I hope they don't go down the road of magneto causing It
after he snaps.It's very possable they might use a human villian similar to
Children of the atom to really show the break between them.Perhapes
magneto kills the main villian after Xavier Is crippled and Is saved by the
first X-Men team.

as shown here.
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=308566&page=58

(posted after you bugged aboutthe idea. person didn't nesary agree it has to be lucifer. but it being mags is off. )

And what I was suggesting actually does give greater meaning to why he(magento) said what he said about trust there at the hearing. his bitterness to why he was about to start his revolution has to do with event's happening more then once to him.

It can't be mag's for obvious reasons especially with the beginning of the first movie at the senate hearing and their conversation at the hallway of the senate hearing. it makes the very basis to how things were up contrived and senseless.


As to the alien invasion. Alien invasions are just allegories to when nations on earth went on to conquer countries, and subjugate and occupy them. the final result of those invasions always ended in those nations always oppressing the people they have invaded. And a rebellion happening. There have been enough stories on that subject. especially in sci- fi. so in a lot of ways. Lucifer can still work and seeing that in the main comics he (Lucifer )had access to "freaking Nazi" money which magneto stole to fund him self in the main marvel stories that Stan lee told.

My idea it's a simple fully put what was there in the comics and fully integrate together what was simply there in magneto past.

I'm just saying they can better further that story that way. by putting Lucifer as a normal human with the connection that he worked at the consentration camps that magneto was stored in when he was young and came back in his life to cause him trouble when magneto starts a school. and it'll leave a major scar on mag's cause it happened to him twice to people ha cared about and felt powerless to stop cause he didn't do some before had to stop it.

He want's to be to one to start something in stead of reacting to it . cause for him at that time reacting is too late. for him twice is enough and it is for most people to get fed up with things going wrong and that what we see from that view of conversation magnet was stating there.

now from the rest of the thing you just said though All I'm seeing is your doing the I don't want to see things your way. or I just don't to do it that way which is what fox did at the beginning of the X films and they could have really great movies but didn't reach their potential cause of the I don't to thing that fox plays in this franchise. and that has to do with them putting more money allowing the person the hire to make the movie to have his vision time and money and better resources fully fleshed out in stead of making cuts that made focus on one character , not putting enough work into the costumes. and eventually loose first SFX people that they had that actually did good work for them. cause they were in the I don't want see things any other way then my own. kinda like what you doing with me but their view was all about money. any ways I made it a rule a while after I stopped running a forum that if i keep running in to people online or in life that continue to making things difficult I'd have to write them off as they seem to do when they keep seeming to when I'm trying to reason with them. and they are giving me worse reasoning then what they them selves claim me to be giving.

which bring me back to why i said your being limited minded and it's narrowing evermore unfortunately from what I saw of your last post here. you don't want to see it in this view as you made it clear and want something that's more generic and will conflict with what was done. and it's baffling to having mag's in that position cause you just turned him into a psychotic before the senate hearing talks and it'll loose meaning there.


you and i are a impasse. and i have no more time to bother with someone that can't see that that mag's doing what he suggests puts thing in a worse state of conflict reasoning wise that there was no point to the talk in the hall way at the senate hearing that both prof X and magneto had. and any that does the "I don't want to thing" when someone like me is just trying get you to see things in different way that's actually has better sense then "oh the character getting angry and let have his reasons not make sense and his reason for being around running free after that make even less sense. has a very flawed and narrow minded / limited imagination.

if i remember right i made it a rule that if i run into person on a forum that giving difficulty in reasoning when their thing is more flawed that what Im saying that i won't bother so I won't bother to convince you any more. but your thing doesn't integrate well with the basis of what too place in the first movie. and sends things in worse place story wise then what I'm suggesting.


Anyway I'm done. it's cool. No point in talking to some one that does the "I don't want to" see you what your talking thing.

It's like old person set in their ways. Cause it's their habbit they can't break. and are too lazy to do so.

 

[Mad Ones]

Well... I remember Lauren Shuler Donner talking about how funny she thinks the First Class is in the comics...

But with Bryan on board I think there will be a consistent tone with his movies.

 

[Angamb]

Me too.

I hope to see dark scenes, like the Magneto prologue on X1...