Sequels X-Men Reboot

[DavidHaller]

In the post-credits perhaps, but much of it simply felt like taking from threads set in First Class. Apocalypse even had to retcon that scene where Mystique finds Logan.

there is no retcon necessary. it is set 10 years later and we have no idea what Logan has done between Days of Future Past and X:A.

it also set up beautifully the entire Jean Grey arc in X:A...

 

[Stan Lee]

In the post-credits perhaps, but much of it simply felt like taking from threads set in First Class. Apocalypse even had to retcon that scene where Mystique finds Logan.

Not talking about the credit scene but the Xavier's relationship with Jean, Mystique, and Magneto.

And what retcon? Wolverine became a solider and volunteered for the surgery in the 80s like in the original timeline. Even in the Logan trailer you see him with the military identification tags.

 

[GuestStar2004]

Apocalypse even had to retcon that scene where Mystique finds Logan.

Apocalypse didn't retcon anything really, mystique could have saved Logan and just left, it's just that simple.

Really it's everyone else that felt it was a cliffhanger but perhaps Bryan and co didn't even see it as a cliff hanger as kinberg did explain the reasoning behind it being that it went full circle with her saving havok and co and she didn't exactly stick with them either.

 

[EnDz0n3]

It might not have been a retcon but it was ultimately a wasted/useless scene. All it was was a good, in-the-moment scene that shows the past is no longer what the mutants originally lived thru and paired off quite nicely with Xavier's "The Past" monologue.

Bryan changing things up from the script has surely been a win for the franchise in the past. Killing off Jean in X2 is proof of Bryan's genius.

That Mystique moment at the end of DOFP, however, isn't.

It could be argued it was another way of unnecessarily shoehorning Mystique in. LOL

 

[Frankeh]

It might not have been a retcon but it was ultimately a wasted/useless scene. All it was was a good, in-the-moment scene that shows the past is no longer what the mutants originally lived thru and paired off quite nicely with Xavier's "The Past" monologue.

I think it was pretty much a "holy ***, it's actually Mystique!" moment like Senator Kelly at the end of X1.

But it doesn't work as well because it implicated stuff that went against the events we knew, unnecessarily, because it wasn't followed up anyway.

 

[GuestStar2004]

That Mystique moment at the end of DOFP, however, isn't.

It could be argued it was another way of unnecessarily shoehorning Mystique in. LOL

I wouldn't say it was shoehorning at all as according to kinberg they thought about having xavier and Hank fish him out before deciding mystique was the better choice, although even if it was xavier and Hank people would still have made a fuss about why he isn't with them in apocalypse, there is no win in that respect.

 

[GuestStar2004]

In the long run it probably works better that wolverine did go through the weapon X stuff because if you take that away from his character he loses that self mystery of not knowing who he is and then of course you would need to make a new excuse for him to get his metal bones back but in some other means

 

[EnDz0n3]

I wouldn't say it was shoehorning at all as according to kinberg they thought about having xavier and Hank fish him out before deciding mystique was the better choice, although even if it was xavier and Hank people would still have made a fuss about why he isn't with them in apocalypse, there is no win in that respect.

It's one of those: there's no win, it's causing so much trouble in the long run, why still do it?

And also one of those: we don't plan our movies ahead of time...LOL

 

[Legion]

In the long run it probably works better that wolverine did go through the weapon X stuff because if you take that away from his character he loses that self mystery of not knowing who he is and then of course you would need to make a new excuse for him to get his metal bones back but in some other means

What mystery? The audience has already seen how he got the metal in three different films. Surely you dont expect this to be revisited again? In this time line Scott and Jean could simply tell him who is responsible.

If they could make up reasons to change character's ages they could find another reason for wolverine. Maybe they could focus on other characters this time around or wolverine's future.

 

[zenith16]

so I'm putting this up in two places

got this in my emails tonight after watching tv.




BREAKING

Kevin Feige Closes The Door On X-Men In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

It's a sad day for X-Men fans, at least if you're a big proponent of Marvel Studios.


For years there have been rumors circulating that FOX, who owns both the X-Men and Fantastic Four franchise movie rights, would at some point either sell the franchises back to Marvel or land on some kind of deal that would allow the fan favorite mutants to join with Marvel's other cinematic properties.


Unfortunately some recent comments from Marvel Studios president Kevin Feige pretty much hammered the final nail in that coffin.




Feige spoke to Variety about a myriad of topics, and at one point was asked since if they could partner with FOX as they did with Sony for Spider-Man. Feige said "It’s an impossibility at this juncture. We certainly have enough films to keep us busy for a number of lifetimes."


"crickets"


Yeah, that's a pretty solid no, and unfortunately, it doesn't look to change anytime soon. Recent reports out of FOX indicate that they are interested in rebooting their X-Men universe, as well as building upon the successful foundation of Deadpool. They've also got a New Mutants project in the works alongside the ever delayed Gambit project and the rumored X-Force project.


Still, it's a bit disappointing that both sides couldn't come to an agreement like Marvel did with Sony, though it bears mentioning that those franchises are in two different places. Sony had the rights to one character and anything affiliated with him, whereas FOX has the rights to two premiere Marvel groups and their huge worlds. Sony had also previously rebooted the character twice already and wasn't interested in doing it for a third time unless it was sure it had something, thus the Marvel deal. Sony can rely on Marvel Studio's expertise in regards to their premiere character, and Sony reaps the benefits with spinoff's and additional advertising and goodwill.




While they aren't pursuing a full-on merging of their properties, the two studios can at least work together in some capacity. The two companies previously made a deal that let Marvel Studios have EGO the living planet for Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2. FOX was then allowed to make significant changes to Negasonic Teenage Warhead for Deadpool.


Feige isn't wrong about a full schedule either, as Marvel Studios has plans for years to come, and has plenty of other characters to implement into their film universe.




NEXT: Guardians Of The Galaxy Vol. 2 Director Had No Backup Plan If Fox Wouldn't Trade Ego / Why Deadpool Didn't Include Many X-Men / Fox And Marvel Swapped Characters For Deadpool And Guardians Of The Galaxy

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[Frankeh]

Damn.

 

[zenith16]

yeah I know

 

[DavidHaller]

very great news!!!

In the end they would have probably only added Wolverine to the Avengers.
That was character assassination in the comicbooks by Bendis and so would it have been in the movie universe. X-Men and Averngers do not mix well.

The X-Men work so much better seperate from the other boring, status quo Marvel heroes everyone now pretends to like as if Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy ever had any comicbook followers. These fanboys speak of the importance of comic-accuracy for characters nobody had read before. lol

 

[DavidHaller]

It could be argued it was another way of unnecessarily shoehorning Mystique in. LOL

no it is not and Mystique is never shoehorned into this franchise. Her character arc was probably the most complex storyline of any female superhero we got so far on screen!

The only offensive aspect of Mystique's movieverse persona is the lack of Irene Adler a.k.a. Destiny as her partner and true love. In the comicbooks this relationships was the only thing that kept her sane.

 

[zenith16]

very great news!!!

In the end they would have probably only added Wolverine to the Avengers.
That was character assassination in the comicbooks by Bendis and so would it have been in the movie universe. X-Men and Averngers do not mix well.

The X-Men work so much better seperate from the other boring, status quo Marvel heroes everyone now pretends to like as if Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy ever had any comicbook followers. These fanboys speak of the importance of comic-accuracy for characters nobody had read before. lol

I don't agree with you minus the bendis paRT . CURRENT DAY BENDIS IS LOST COMPARED TO THE DAYS WHERE HE TAKE A CHARACTER THAT HAS BECOME OBSURE AND MADE THEM COOL. HE'S LOST THAT TOUCH.

wolverine has alot in common with the avengers he's a deva as colson called the avengers them selves . and he's into brawling and doing things for him self and doesn't want to fallow anyone that's leading which fits with them. the writer like it when wolverine is in someones face ready to fight who ever's leading and the avengers are full of that at times depending.

as to the x-men not mixeing them they do when the writers aren't a kick to make Every single one the heroes all fight each other , cause that where they are cause they want strain with all of them (as if the heroes are all senile now)as they did in the 80's as joe q stated to the writer s that work for him it was better back then for them (the writers them selfs) cause the characters didn't all know if any of the others can always trust each other or knew each other that well.

So it was an excuse to have them fight each other with out talking or just for pure strain purpose's .

that said wen joe Q said that I was ticked off at him. I said if that the case please take wolverine to the avengers he does fit in better there.
I'd trade him for spiderman. moving on from I don'[t care for the heroes at each others throats was a fan of that inthe 80's and donm't care for people that want go back to it.

I liked it when the heroes worked to gether during the X-men blue and gold period and everything before grant morrison's New X-men came about .

where we saw the avengers like captain america always backed up the X-men when he was on the scene telling the public on television the X-men are heroes .

 

[EnDz0n3]

no it is not and Mystique is never shoehorned into this franchise.

A mostly-mute Mystique that had no relationship whatsoever to speak of with Patrick Stewart's Xavier is revealed to be James McAvoy's adopted sister?

Come on.

And it's funny you reply to my post against shoehorning characters by attaching a pic of Sage, a character that was later (20 years after her introduction) shoehorned as an early Xavier recruit during the Original 5 Days where evidence of this was scarce, if any.

 

[zenith16]

lol

 

[Flint Marko]

Mystique is never shoehorned into this franchise.

 

[Weather Witch]

Kevin Feige Closes The Door On X-Men In The Marvel Cinematic Universe

Good. Maybe now people will finally let that go for a while.

 

[zenith16]

Good. Maybe now people will finally let that go for a while.

Doubt it the fox x-men movies domestically have run it's course, with some people . it's also gonna depend on how the writing is too .

 

[Zant]

very great news!!!

In the end they would have probably only added Wolverine to the Avengers.
That was character assassination in the comicbooks by Bendis and so would it have been in the movie universe. X-Men and Averngers do not mix well.

The X-Men work so much better seperate from the other boring, status quo Marvel heroes everyone now pretends to like as if Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy ever had any comicbook followers. These fanboys speak of the importance of comic-accuracy for characters nobody had read before. lol

The thing is the Xmen come with baggage that can't be shoehorned into the MCU at this stage. They are not Spiderman or The Fantastic Four.There is more to them than a bunch of characters with superpowers. They will fit in well in the MCU only if they strip away what they are all about and what they stand for.

 

[DavidHaller]

A mostly-mute Mystique that had no relationship whatsoever to speak of with Patrick Stewart's Xavier is revealed to be James McAvoy's adopted sister?

Come on.

And it's funny you reply to my post against shoehorning characters by attaching a pic of Sage, a character that was later (20 years after her introduction) shoehorned as an early Xavier recruit during the Original 5 Days where evidence of this was scarce, if any.

retcons. This is what ongoing, endless comicbook series do all the time. Every single character in these series is a culmination of 100 of different retcons and re-interpretations established by hundreds of different authors. These series would be utterly stale without them. Same goes to a movie series that is 16 years old by now. Why shouldn't the writer re-define these characters and make them more relatable?

Singer decided to give Juggernauts role from the comics to Mystique and made her one of the most compelling, round female characters in the franchise which developed from being a naked, mute, sexist assassin-chichße into a relatable person. I cannot see anything negative about it? Xavier not speaking about Mystique also makes sense because she was his biggest failure and he was probably ashamed that he grew up with her and maybe felt guilty for pushing her to the dark side, etc. there can be millions of reasons for it.

I am wondering, are you people disliking Mystique as a character or are you hiding your sexism behind these arguments because you comicbook movie fans are not used to seeing a female character get so much needed screentime?!? these whole 'comic book accuracy arguments' are so selective and mostly fake. Comicbook adapations are ALL re-interpretation of the source materials.

 

[CyclopsSummers]

very great news!!!

In the end they would have probably only added Wolverine to the Avengers.
That was character assassination in the comicbooks by Bendis and so would it have been in the movie universe. X-Men and Averngers do not mix well.

The X-Men work so much better seperate from the other boring, status quo Marvel heroes everyone now pretends to like as if Iron Man or Guardians of the Galaxy ever had any comicbook followers. These fanboys speak of the importance of comic-accuracy for characters nobody had read before. lol

Good news indeed, X-men must stay in his separate universe. x-men/avengers in comics= Yes! X-men and Avengers in MCU=Crap!



Why Fox has to reboot X-men with a sharing univers with F4 reboot :

- Apocalypse was disapointing

- Xmen movieverse is really a mayhem, incoherences between timelines, unexplained facts .(Sabretooth/victor, Havok deadth in basic timeline ???)..

- Actually they only focus their movies in past and new cast, fed-up with that! mostly JLaw lol. McAvoy and Fassebender cant play Xavier/Magneto anymore. Enought! they are too young to play their characters being 60 years old. It wont be credible.

- Original cast, Jackman, Cudmore, Alan Cumming wont reprise their respective role. If they recast Wolverine, it will be better to reboot completely

- We could adapt major arc in comics in Astonishing, Marvel Now, many foes that adult x-men could meet (Bastion, Shadow King, Brotherhood, Apocalypse ..)

- Beast and Havok are 20 older than Scott, Jean generation. These ones are 20 years older than Rogue, Iceman generation... Gambit Psylocke are older than Cyclops Jean Storm ... Stop! too many differences in age

- Deadpool movies, New mutants and Legion TV serie may be include in a rebooted universe, as Colossus doesnt look like Cudmore's Colossus, Hangar dosnt look like the one in the 6 movies. For the moment they evolve in new retconned timeline, knowing the world in this timeline will be destroyed in 2024 and mutankind decimated, like old timeline in 2023

- Moreover, we can include F4 in same periode than X-men, in a world where mutants and superhumans get along with

 

[Weather Witch]

Doubt it the fox x-men movies domestically have run it's course, with some people . it's also gonna depend on how the writing is too .

And that is exactly why we are going to get that 're-imagined X-Men movie' instead of more of the same.

 

[NotNickFury]

- Moreover, we can include F4 in same periode than X-men, in a world where mutants and superhumans get along with

See, this in particular is an avenue I'd be interested in seeing if Fox would ever explore. Though I guess that depends on who holds the rights and if Fox ever intended to do anything with them. But rather than have a sequel, Fox could easily have a plot device to have the Fantastic Four end up in the X-Men world. In fact, I think there was a crossover in the works before the Fantastic Four film came out.

But this is all wishful thinking and it all hinges on whether Fox gets creative or imaginative to do more things like what we're getting with Legion or get a new writer or director to continue the franchise with the new, young team.

Though I know everyone and their mother who loves the Fantastic Four would hate the idea of Fox doing anymore with them.