YES or NO, should Cyclops be killed off?

[Hellrider]

NO WAY ... Cyclops is too important to the x-men. I dont like him, infact he is my least favourite x-men but I think he should definitely not be killed off.

 

[WalkingDead]

Should any X-Man die?
Sure...if it fits the story and comes as a dramatic and well-developed event. Every character can die. It's not like it is impossible. None of them are truly immortal. As long as their deaths are served with dignity and help to keep the characters as they have been...in other words as long as there isn't some huge change in character just to kill them off.

Problem is Cyclops fans haven't gotten their favorite character in a large role that takes up 30%+ of the screentime like Wolverine fans have gotten.

The only major thing they've gotten was in X1...in which Cyclops had very good characterization -- He showed his love of Jean multiple times, he showed he loved Xavier like a father and wanted to be there even after Prof. X is gone, he lead the team and came up with the plan of engagement at Liberty Island, he figured out why Magneto wanted Rogue before everyone else, he showed he was a teacher/mentor to students, and he showed his angst and annoyance towards Logan. All wrapped up well in a small amount of time.

I feel for the big-time Cyclops fans, cause it seems Cyke is getting the "X2 Treatment" or worse. But he has been in both films and was a fairly big size to X1. Not saying you should be grateful for that, but that at least he did get some treatment besides a cameo.

 

[GothicPowerMix1]

NO WAY ... Cyclops is too important to the x-men. I dont like him, infact he is my least favourite x-men but I think he should definitely not be killed off.

FIGHT THE POWER !!!!!

Viva La Resistance

 

[CeeJay]

Should any X-Man die?
Sure...if it fits the story and comes as a dramatic and well-developed event. Every character can die. It's not like it is impossible. None of them are truly immortal. As long as their deaths are served with dignity and help to keep the characters as they have been...in other words as long as there isn't some huge change in character just to kill them off.

Problem is Cyclops fans haven't gotten their favorite character in a large role that takes up 30%+ of the screentime like Wolverine fans have gotten.

The only major thing they've gotten was in X1...in which Cyclops had very good characterization -- He showed his love of Jean multiple times, he showed he loved Xavier like a father and wanted to be there even after Prof. X is gone, he lead the team and came up with the plan of engagement at Liberty Island, he figured out why Magneto wanted Rogue before everyone else, he showed he was a teacher/mentor to students, and he showed his angst and annoyance towards Logan. All wrapped up well in a small amount of time.

I feel for the big-time Cyclops fans, cause it seems Cyke is getting the "X2 Treatment" or worse. But he has been in both films and was a fairly big size to X1. Not saying you should be grateful for that, but that at least he did get some treatment besides a cameo.

I like where you're coming from with this post.

It's true, anything in CONTEXT will work.

You people worry too much.

 

[PWN3R]

Read Astonishing X-men #8. That will give you the answer on whether not he should die or not...

Wolverine, "Every now and then Summers...I remember why you're still in charge."

 

[DarknessOfDeath]

I voted for no... he's not bad of a character.

 

[CouchQuarterbck]

Maybe the question should read like this:

If one of the X-Men had to die, and it had to be someone that could be considered a main character, then would it be okay if Cykes died? I think yes, and it would prove the leader in him if it was done the right way....

 

[Kurosawa]

But the problem is they're not doing it in the right way.

Don't get me wrong-I'm 100% against it no matter how it's done. But if he was actually given a death that was worthy, then I'd be less disgusted anyway.

 

[Supreme Power]

But the problem is they're not doing it in the right way.

Don't get me wrong-I'm 100% against it no matter how it's done. But if he was actually given a death that was worthy, then I'd be less disgusted anyway.

How do you know. We simply don't know yet.

 

[PWN3R]

But the problem is they're not doing it in the right way.

Don't get me wrong-I'm 100% against it no matter how it's done. But if he was actually given a death that was worthy, then I'd be less disgusted anyway.

....if your so hell bent on NOT seeing the movie...then why waste so much time on the movie's boards?

You know that you will see this movie, don't lie.

 

[Kirby&Ditko]

It will be a shame if he does die in X3. He was always overshadowed by Wolverine in the movies, NEVER living up to his potential. He was such a major player in the comics, it is wrong to toss him away without giving him his due.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Should any X-Man die?

No...

 

[WalkingDead]

No...

Oh come on Nell...

Characters die, are replaced, go on hiatus all the time...just cause it's X-Men doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

Oh come on Nell...

Characters die, are replaced, go on hiatus all the time...just cause it's X-Men doesn't mean that it shouldn't happen.

I've said my piece on this topic earlier in this thread. I don't think they should die, because it's not part of their characterization. And I don't think it's an accurate or appropriate adaptation of these characters to kill them off. That's my story, and I'm stickin' to it.

 

[the_scream]

I would like to see Cyclops live for many reasons NOT just because I happen to like his character. My favourite character is Gambit but I'm not annoyed he isn't in X3 because I don't think he is essential for an X-Men movie (much like Kitty, Colussus, Mystique and even Magneto) Although, I'd love to see them all included. Here are some reasons why he SHOULD live:

1. For the leader, we barely saw him truly lead. Sure, he was in charge but he didn't get to assert himself.

2. We've hardly seen him demonstrate his true power. Cyclops has the ability to wipe out most of the mutants with his blast set on full. I really want to see his powers up against a character like Juggernaught.

3. Other characters are better when he's around. For instance, he makes Logan stand out as the rough around the edges bad boy.

4. We haven't really got into his back story which is amongst the more interesting. Nor, have we ever got to see how difficult his life is with the visor/glasses always on his face. I think his character has great potential. A shame that Iceman, Wolverine and Nightcrawler all had good backgrounds to their characters. Cyclops just seems like he is in the films to be a thorn in Wolverine's side.

5. We've never got to see all the original team fighting side by side. Would be great to see a final battle with Iceman, Cyclops, Jean, Beast and Angel all working together. THAT would be more interesting to me than seeing Wolverine stab a few more bad guys or watching Storm make it windy for a few seconds.

 

[The Guard]

Of course i skip over it.. thats how you make the illusion. There are folks that believe in some amazing things in real life, and to them its by no means illogical or such... there are directors who take advantage of this type of thinking. They have an explanation for it to boot also. But psychics for instance... psychics can die in real life. No one said theyd be back.

My point is, you're willing to skip over HUGE suspensions of disbelief like the various powers and mutations in this franchise, but you can't conceive of how a character could be killed off/brought back in this universe?

Perhaps this has also to do with someone thats a strong believer of science and nothing else, and with those types supernatural elements are just nonsense anyway. Its all or nothing... if theres fiction.. drown it in fiction. With this plot, evolution was always in conjunction with the supernatural.

Other than that last line...what in the blue hell are you talking about?

Sure, but the problem is this type of revolving door stuff is what Joel Schumacher did for his batman films.. he took the other side of logic there and look at what a work of art those were. Some just prefer otherwise.

Again...what...blue hell...talking about?

Its not something really tangible... its an instinct. You either have it or dont.

Again...what...blue hell...talking about?

Probably because it's likely to be explained that it was her powers that kept her alive, not truly a resurrection.

Maybe. I've always thought in X3 her "rebirth" would be explained as simply evolving into another state. Though I find it interesting that the water pressure didn't crush her, even with those powers. I suppose her powers could have put her into a state of suspended animation and protected her until she woke up.

Because I don't think that there's much in the X-Men movies that should have been cheesy that wasn't. These movies have been made with a very serious tone to them.

There have been a number of things that are pretty cheesy and simply haven't been played as such. Toad comes to mind.

And faithful is my whole point. You don't deviate that far off from a character, especially one as big time as Aragorn or Cyclops. Granted, Cyclops in the X-Men movies isn't as important as Aragorn in the Lord of the Rings movies, but he's definatley a lot more important than these fanboys around here are giving Singer credit for.

Would tend to agree there.

It would have pissed off fans, because it's not true to the source material. Which is why it's pissing fans off that Cyclops could die. At least this fan. I know that the movies aren't going to be totally true adaptations of the source material. But I ask at least that they keep the characters accurate. Killing off Cyclops is not remaining accurate to his story.

I see what you're saying, but I think you pretty much have to leave some room for interpretation of the mythos, given the situation with the actors.

1) Cyclops wasn't even a "leader in these movies". The leader was always Xavier, and, at turns, Wolverine and Storm.

Yes. He was the leader, both in X-MEN and in X2, for the most part. When was the last time you saw X-MEN and X2?

Okay, why don't you just go ahead and tell me where exactly Wolverine was the leader of these films...

I didn't know the leader ran off from the rest of his team, without so much of a word, to go pursue his own personal vendetta over that of the team objective...

There is so much in the way of Cyclops being the leader, not Wolverine, in these movies, that anyone who thinks otherwise is just looking for something else to ***** about, because they are mad that Wolverine was the main character in these movies.

Agreed.

1. For the leader, we barely saw him truly lead. Sure, he was in charge but he didn't get to assert himself.

Bunk. He led several times and for quite a while in X-MEN, where he displayed leadership characteristics, he had a semi-leadership role in X2 despite a smaller role, and in X3, will likely do some more leading. And we have seen him assert himself, both in battle, and not in battle.

2. We've hardly seen him demonstrate his true power. Cyclops has the ability to wipe out most of the mutants with his blast set on full. I really want to see his powers up against a character like Juggernaught.

I don't know...we've seen his eyes without the visor. We've seen what he can do brainwashed, when he unleashed on Jean. I imagine by the time X3 is done there will have been more optic blasting goodness.

3. Other characters are better when he's around. For instance, he makes Logan stand out as the rough around the edges bad boy.

Fair enough, but how many times can Logan be the ass in a scene? Cyclops doesn't have to be around the entire movie to bring this side of Logan out.

4. We haven't really got into his back story which is amongst the more interesting. Nor, have we ever got to see how difficult his life is with the visor/glasses always on his face. I think his character has great potential. A shame that Iceman, Wolverine and Nightcrawler all had good backgrounds to their characters. Cyclops just seems like he is in the films to be a thorn in Wolverine's side.

The franchise hasn't gotten into too many people's backstories. Probably because there isn't a whole lot of free screentime available for backstories that aren't VERY important to the story. Just going into Cyclops' for the hell of it seems kinda pointless.

 

[Logan Howlett]

The way it should be.

Kill the bastard, nuff said.

 

[XCharlieX]

My point is, you're willing to skip over HUGE suspensions of disbelief like the various powers and mutations in this franchise, but you can't conceive of how a character could be killed off/brought back in this universe?

Exactly. That begins to effect the story. Nothing matters if you simply have a "go to" device to bring your characters back... "the last stand? big deal"

Other than that last line...what in the blue hell are you talking about?

That was quite clear. I'll rephrase though. Basically, what im saying there are people who are unable to imagine this balance of fiction and non fiction as good as others, and sometimes those types are often the completely "reality" based types.. everythings math and science etc, clean cut. I think if people at least know how some truly and positively believe in the surreal even in real life (religion/psychics/astrology etc) theyre more likely to understand how this balance works when it comes to creating this type of style with scifi/fantasy movies.

As for the other stuff, i didnt think youd understand that. I repeat.. you either get it or dont.

 

[The Guard]

If it had ****-all to do with what I've been talking about, or what we've been discussing, I'd understand it. As it is, you seem to have made a completely random point for some reason. I don't even think you got my points. I never said anything about a "revolving door". I said "the door swings both ways", and I'm not sure you understand what I meant by that.

 

[XCharlieX]

Well "are you a god fearing man" the guard? Im just wondering where your pov is coming from. Its more rellevant than you think.

 

[The Guard]

My POV on what, exactly? The interplay of realism/sci-fi/fantasy in these films? The X-Men universe is a fantasy world, pretty much any way you slice it. It is not really grounded in reality, in any way, shape or form. They are grounded in a more realistic political and social reality than most comic book films, but many of the story aspects are pure sci-fi/fantasy. That simply cannot be argued. I don't think it would harm the film to have some aspect of sci-fi/fantasy come into play in terms of possibly ressurrecting Cyclops in a future film. Considering all the insane aspects the audience has already been asked to believe.

 

[Logan Howlett]

Cant we all just get along...........like Logan and Jean..........ALL NIGHT LONG BABY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! DONT TELL SCOTTY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

 

[XCharlieX]

Yes. Its a theory of mine that people (or directors) that accept or at least know how people accept more than the tangible can understand more how to make a very fantastical story real.

lol hes right... Let's agree to disagree on this issue.

 

[the_scream]

Cant we all just get along...........like Logan and Jean..........ALL NIGHT LONG BABY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOW! DONT TELL SCOTTY! SCOTTY DOESNT KNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW!!!!!

WTF? How old are you dude?

 

[Logan Howlett]

19, why, have you never seen Eurotrip?