Discussion in 'Batman World' started by Thread Manager, Jan 15, 2018.
Seriously. Gordon is almost a co-lead of the film.
What about poor Alfred? He could use some recognition in these portraits himself.
yeah i wanna see a poster with burnt down jungles and tangerines
lol @ Rachel having a poster over Gordon.
Those are bloody awesome though.
Burning notice will have to do.
I like how in the Nolan-verse Alfred is a low-key retired mercenary and colonialist who was going on Rudyard Kipling styled adventures about a century after the fact back in his day. Working with Batman is just his retirement.
In the comic canon he was a member of the British special forces. But yeah, him being in Burma hunting jewel thieves implies something a lot more untoward. Like extralegal paramilitary. Maybe his service to the Wayne family was akin to some kind of atonement?
I really do take it as in TDKT's universe global politics are slightly different (which would explain why the Middle east in Rises looks akin to more something out of the early 20th century than the 21st). It's also a very Westernized and antiquated view, but it is what it is. I picked up that Caine's Alfred was a bit of a Rudyard Kipling protagonist in his younger years, which is to say a colonialist of gray morality, but ultimately a solid bloke. Kind of like Caine's character in The Man Who Would be King.
I felt a small confirmation in Westworld Season 2 where apparently the Nolans think people want to go to the "Raj," which is colonial India. It is certainly a white person fantasy, but Caine's Alfred feels more derived from that than being completely evil. More soldier of fortune than genocidal mercenary. That was how I read the subtext anyway.
I just watched The Dark Knight Rises again, and boy, it really is masterful filmmaking.
It has it's problems for sure - It's a little too long and verbose in it's storytelling in places and I still don't love the final shot (Leave me with Bruce, not Blake) - but the skill, passion and confidence that is displayed on screen is astounding.
Seriously. What has TDKT not influenced in some way?
I've gone back and forth on that, but I came around to it for the way it mirrors the opening of Begins (Bruce falls into the cave/Bruce's successor rises in the cave) and how, I think, Batman is figuratively present in it. The other films both ended with a symbolically charged shot of Batman; him flying toward the camera, him riding away into the sunset. I would argue the final shot of Rises is of Batman as a symbol that has transcended (risen) beyond Bruce. It's not saying that Blake is Batman at that moment (he has a lot of training before that), or even that he'll become Batman in the literal sense that, say, Dick Grayson did during the RIP arc. It's just saying that the mantel will endure, achieving the kind of immortality Bruce spoke to Alfred about back in the plane ride in Begins.
The Dark Knight Trilogy (2005-2012): Batman Begins
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Kalvin and Hobbs?
Heres What a Catwoman Solo Movie Starring Michelle Pfeiffer Could Have Been About
SMG instead of Pfeiffer?
It's a shame that both Pfeiffer and Hathaway didn't get another stab at the character... but I think solo Catwoman adventures would work better on the small screen.
This acronym made me think it's a car brand instead of TV Buffy.
I read it, and it sounds pretty bad. Better than that crapfest from 2004, but i'm glad it didn't happen. Hathaway on the other hand..
I know to many, Anne will never escape the Michelle Pfeiffer shadow but damn she was absolutely spot-on as Catwoman.
This is a great analysis. I especially liked the observations on Bruce's conflicted relationship with his wealth (which really stems from his relationship with his father, as nearly everything does) and how each director's depiction of the Wayne murders encapsulates their particular takes on Batman himself.
Yeah, she was fine. Shame she can't be Catwoman in the DC film universe.
I honestly am not sure why folks are so eager to see Catwoman in the DCEU at the moment. I suspect like the Joker, it is going to be a disappointment given how many great interpretations have come before. I think Pfeiffer gave a tour de force, mind you in a very Tim Burton reimagined creation. And Hathaway played the comic character pretty perfectly, minus the whip.
I would avoid her the same way I hope the next Batman movie avoids the Joker. Do something different.
That's both amazing and even sadder considering what happened after both scenes were shot.
Who's the better Batman: Ben Affleck or Christian Bale?