You Have My Permission To Lounge - Part 10

What's everyone's favorite Batman across all media? Like for me..

Comics: Earth One, Year One, Whatever Happened To The Capped Crusader?, Black and White

Film: Batman(1989)

TV: The Animated Series

Video Game: Arkham Asylum

Comics: I've seen the film adaptations of all the popular stories so I can't really count those...I guess I'd have to say the not-too-recent Batman: Secret Files. Some stories in that one really hit me.

Film: The Dark Knight

TV: The Animated Series

VG: Arkham Knight
 
Out of those 6 I love TDK and Deadpool. But TDK is still the king.
 
O...K. Exactly what was said about TDK that set this guy off? He is right overall, as I've noticed the same thing (and it's probably part of the reason why for a while there, we kept getting TDK vs Whatever New Good Comic Book Movie threads) but it would be nice to see the comments he's addressing.
 
O...K. Exactly what was said about TDK that set this guy off? He is right overall, as I've noticed the same thing (and it's probably part of the reason why for a while there, we kept getting TDK vs Whatever New Good Comic Book Movie threads) but it would be nice to see the comments he's addressing.

He said: "I was reading Keith R.A. DeCandido's review and strayed into the comments". I guess he meant this review - https://www.tor.com/2018/07/06/why-so-serious-the-dark-knight/.
 
It's probably been mentioned numerous times, but since I'm watching Under the Red Hood once more I will say it for the umpteenth time:
Joker's prisoner number 11940 is the number of his debut issue from the first Batman comic series, and the year of release.
 
I was one of the many fortunate ones to enjoy the screening of TDKT in IMAX this past weekend. I was at the Cinesphere in Toronto which is our biggest IMAX screen and it was pure nirvana, folks. It was a sold-out house with enthusiastic Batfans and cheers, hoots, and hollers were heard all over as the films played. Oh, and this was our freebie:

 
Re: TDK's success and that Twitter thread.

I'm probably gonna be the odd one out, but BP hasn't had the same cultural impact as TDK; not even close. TDK transformed the genre and is still the gold standard by which all other CBMs are judged. BP is just another Marvel movie. It was good fun, but it didn't do anything differently, other than be the most visually striking of the MCU films.
 
I was one of the many fortunate ones to enjoy the screening of TDKT in IMAX this past weekend. I was at the Cinesphere in Toronto which is our biggest IMAX screen and it was pure nirvana, folks. It was a sold-out house with enthusiastic Batfans and cheers, hoots, and hollers were heard all over as the films played. Oh, and this was our freebie:


Is that a batarang? I am profoundly jealous. :funny:
 
Re: TDK's success and that Twitter thread.

I'm probably gonna be the odd one out, but BP hasn't had the same cultural impact as TDK; not even close. TDK transformed the genre and is still the gold standard by which all other CBMs are judged. BP is just another Marvel movie. It was good fun, but it didn't do anything differently, other than be the most visually striking of the MCU films.

You don't make the kind of money that BP made by being "just another marvel movie". And not talking about you specifically, just as there's been some weird fanboy resentment toward TDK's success, there's even more weird fanboy resentment toward BP's.
 
Is that a batarang? I am profoundly jealous. :funny:

You are correct! It's thick too, about one inch and weighs around five pounds I'd say.

You don't make the kind of money that BP made by being "just another marvel movie". And not talking about you specifically, just as there's been some weird fanboy resentment toward TDK's success, there's even more weird fanboy resentment toward BP's.

Oh hey, don't misunderstand me. I did like Black Panther, and enjoyed it just as much when I saw it a year later for the second time. I just didn't think it did anything differently plot-wise from the other MCU films. It was still very formulaic and again, outside of being visually brilliant, I think part of the reason the film enjoyed so much success was because the racial angle of the film was hyped up just like Captain Marvel's gender angle. Take that away and what are you left with? Another MCU origin film that was a new-age Iron Man (especially that end fight against Killmonger).
 
pounds I'd say.



Oh hey, don't misunderstand me. I did like Black Panther, and enjoyed it just as much when I saw it a year later for the second time. I just didn't think it did anything differently plot-wise from the other MCU films. It was still very formulaic and again, outside of being visually brilliant, I think part of the reason the film enjoyed so much success was because the racial angle of the film was hyped up just like Captain Marvel's gender angle. Take that away and what are you left with? Another MCU origin film that was a new-age Iron Man (especially that end fight against Killmonger).

No offense, but the "Take away this and..." is always a weird argument, and that very same argument has been used on TDK on multiple occasions.
 
OK then in your estimation, what did BP do differently in terms of filmmaking from the other MCU films?
 
It tackled real issues about a group of people that don't often get complex, respectable portrayals or representation. That may not mean much to you, but it does to a lot of other people, which is why it was the big deal that it was.
 
Appealing just that much more to a certain demographic isn't the same thing as changing the way movies in the genre as a whole are depicted and discussed. For its socio-political commentary, it's still pretty linear doesn't break away from the standard Marvel formula.

I'm not suggesting BP isn't relevant; just wanna be clear. What I am saying is that, in that regard, it's not on TDK's level.
 
Appealing just that much more to a certain demographic isn't the same thing as changing the way movies in the genre as a whole are depicted and discussed.

If you think proving once and for all that a movie featuring a predominantly non white cast can make billions of dollars at the BO isn't changing the discussion on how movies, genre or not, are depicted and discussed, I don't know what to tell you, especially since its clear that BP's success has emboldened Kevin Feige to develop tentpole superhero films with asian leads and gay leads.
 
I totally agree that the success of Black Panther is probably the main reason why we're getting a Shang Chi movie in the first place.
 
If you think proving once and for all that a movie featuring a predominantly non white cast can make billions of dollars at the BO isn't changing the discussion on how movies, genre or not, are depicted and discussed, I don't know what to tell you, especially since its clear that BP's success has emboldened Kevin Feige to develop tentpole superhero films with asian leads and gay leads.

And you're sure it had nothing to do with the fact that it as a Marvel movie, part of the MCU, and poeple were already hyped given BP's appearance in Civil War? I can't accept this notion that it was successful because it had a predominantly non-white cast anymore than those who claim Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman made bank because they were led by women. It's reductive.
 
O...K. Exactly what was said about TDK that set this guy off? He is right overall, as I've noticed the same thing (and it's probably part of the reason why for a while there, we kept getting TDK vs Whatever New Good Comic Book Movie threads) but it would be nice to see the comments he's addressing.
Kind of a late reply haha, but oh well. I think a perfect example of why is something that actually happened today in the avengers forum. In the RT thread, someone said that they are tired of the dark knight being put on a pedestal all because of "one performance" and that without it, the film would average at best. He also said it's not a comic book film so it doesn't count. I really get tired of those kinds of comments because there's SOOOOO many things that makes The Dark Knight such an incredible, original, and impactful film. not just with ledgers incredible performance, but also the rest of the cast, and the themes we are shown in the film. its a reflection of our own society in 2008, and it still speaks volumes to this day. Theres a reason this film has been held as the gold standard of the genre. Yes, Ledgers haunting performance is part of that, but it takes so much more than one person to make a film a classic. Especially a film that is regarded as not just the best comic book film ever, but one of the best movies ever made. That's the type of thing that i personally think set that guy off. There's a weird group of people who are tired of The Dark knight being held so high, but it's simple. You can't always replicate greatness, and that film is the prime example of that. With such an amazing director, cast, composer, etc. it does not happen often and 11 years later, this still holds true.
 
I can't accept this notion that it was successful because it had a predominantly non-white cast anymore than those who claim Captain Marvel or Wonder Woman made bank because they were led by women.

At this point, It's best we agree to disagree, because now you're making responses to statements that weren't actually made.
 

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