BvS Zach Snyder plans to speak with Frank Miller for MoS Sequel

[RustyCage]

This is probably a consultation about Batman, which would be mildly disappointing as a Bible, but valuable as a whisper in his head.

If he does wind up asking Frank about Superman, that's a universe collapsing mistake. From my experience in reading his work, Frank simply doesn't get Superman.

His Batman is good in many ways - not perfect, but damn good for the most part - and his Superman is 50% admirable and 50% uncharacteristically foolish.

It would be heartbreaking to have a Dark Knight Returns style Superman in Man of Steel 2. A similar disagreement between Batman and Superman would be fantastic though; as well as the evident brotherly vibes between the two of them even in the midst of their exchanged punches.

And Jeph Loeb and Scott Snyder are also good.

I like Frank's earlier work, but I have to say, you just listed my two favorites. Wouldn't want to leave Paul Dini out either.

 

[Herolee10]

The thing that confuses the hell out of me though is that with some reports saying that the relationship between Batman and Superman in this film being almost similar to that from how it was in "TDKR", I'm just wondering, how the hell is that going to work out since it was established that Superman is not government mule in this universe, and the reason, as far as I understand, for Batman being so hostile towards Superman in TDKR is because Superman was getting in his way of doing the right thing for the people of Gotham.

 

[Project862006]

yeah dont seem like much of a relationship lol

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Frank Miller: Then and Now.

 

[RustyCage]

The thing that confuses the hell out of me though is that with some reports saying that the relationship between Batman and Superman in this film being almost similar to that from how it was in "TDKR", I'm just wondering, how the hell is that going to work out since it was established that Superman is not government mule in this universe, and the reason, as far as I understand, for Batman being so hostile towards Superman in TDKR is because Superman was getting in his way of doing the right thing for the people of Gotham.

He doesn't have to be the government's mule to rub Batman the wrong way.

Remember the collateral damage in Metropolis? Lex and Batman are both prime candidates to take him to town for that kind of sloppy mistake.

I think it'll be good. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Superman as learning lessons right now. A lot of angry conclusion jumping about Superman's character being ruined was done right after the film came out. Extremely disappointing behavior from the fanbase.

 

[Shikamaru]

Frank Miller: Then and Now.

Ah, pre-21st century Frank Miller. How much I miss you.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Yeah, I don't see people protesting JLU. :/

 

[Herolee10]

He doesn't have to be the government's mule to rub Batman the wrong way.

Remember the collateral damage in Metropolis? Lex and Batman are both prime candidates to take him to town for that kind of sloppy mistake.

I think it'll be good. I'm glad I'm not the only one who sees Superman as learning lessons right now. A lot of angry conclusion jumping about Superman's character being ruined was done right after the film came out. Extremely disappointing behavior from the fanbase.

Agreed; I mean considering the circumstances, I thought Superman did alright and certainly didn't deserve the level of hate that he got for the battle that took place in Metropolis. But then again, I have to remember on how some fans were pissed to even see Superman drinking beer for the first time in SR during broad daylight...

I just hope that they don't portray Batman as being this all knowing, always right type of character where only Superman learns something valuable from him. It should go both ways imho, even if Batman is a more seasoned warrior/costumed hero.

 

[Herolee10]

Yeah, I don't see people protesting JLU. :/

Or Supermanoomsday, where Superman literally crashed Doomsday into the middle of the city in order to finish him off.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ Batman should learn the consequences of his own paranoia, while Superman learns of his impact on others, positive or negative.

 

[Herolee10]

^ Batman should learn the consequences of his own paranoia, while Superman learns of his impact on others, positive or negative.

Agreed; heck, I'd argue that they should have Batman and Lex kind of mirror each other regarding their own paranoid behaviors and how Batman could become just like Lex if he isn't more careful.

Superman should inspire hope in Batman that not all powerful figures are out there to serve their own purposes and that there are actually some who will choose to do the right thing like they both have with their respective abilities.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

Agreed; heck, I'd argue that they should have Batman and Lex kind of mirror each other regarding their own paranoid behaviors and how Batman could become just like Lex if he isn't more careful.

Superman should inspire hope in Batman that not all powerful figures are out there to serve their own purposes and that there are actually some who will choose to do the right thing like they both have with their respective abilities.

Exactly. Lex is the shadow of Bruce, while John Corben is the shadow of Clark.

Yeah.. I really want Metallo in MOS2

 

[DarthSkywalker]

So, I was excited for this movie. Then I read they want a fight like TDKR and that Frank Miller is being consulted. Yeah, I don't think I am excited anymore.

 

[Brother Jack]

Frank Miller: Then and Now.

Spoiler

That isn't a good example of this because the second image is Jim Lee's but not only has Miller's writing degraded but his art has as well. He always had a cartoonish, exaggerated edge to his imagery but over time it has dominated to the point that now whatever he draws is some ridiculous combination of heavy black lines and neanderthal people.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I wasn't talking about the art, but the writing. I thought it was clear that it was Mezzuchelli and Lee penciling it in.

 

[Brother Jack]

^ I wasn't talking about the art, but the writing. I thought it was clear that it was Mezzuchelli and Lee penciling it in.

Oh, I know. I was just making a tangential point.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think it's clear that Miller is a shadow of the man he used to be. I think he just likes to shock now.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I think it's clear that Miller is a shadow of the man he used to be. I think he just likes to shock now.

It's funny but I think that in general, through the 80's, 90's and today, that's kind of all he has ever done. He likes to get a rise out of the audience for his work. Some find it brave and well within any artists prerogative. Then there are others who just think it makes him a cranky world class *****e. It's all in the eye of the beholder. t:

 

[LordofhouseEl]

Yeah, I don't see people protesting JLU. :/

It's a cartoon dude but MOS was "realistic" all jokes aside though would have been nice for them to briefly address the issue of collateral damage and how the world dealt with it. I mean the aftermath of Zod Vs Superman was worst than 9/11, there would be protests about the government reigning Superman in he wouldn't be viewed as a hero but an menace and people would be **** scared of him.

 

[BH/HHH]

It's funny but I think that in general, through the 80's, 90's and today, that's kind of all he has ever done. He likes to get a rise out of the audience for his work. Some find it brave and well within any artists prerogative. Then there are others who just think it makes him a cranky world class *****e. It's all in the eye of the beholder. t:

I suppose you're right look at his two great Batman books, in one Jim Gordon has an affair, in the other the Joker kills children at a fairground, in both Catwoman is a prostitute, etc etc

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I suppose you're right look at his two great Batman books, in one Jim Gordon has an affair, in the other the Joker kills children at a fairground, in both Catwoman is a prostitute, etc etc

Yes! He was always pushing the envelope, and I could see how at the start of his career it would be taken as bold and refreshing. But I always thought most of it was done to satisfy his own need to get a strong emotional reaction from the readers, AND NOTHING ELSE. It wasn't to explore "mature" ideas or further the topics for discussion. He just wanted to get a rise out of people who intensely believe in these illustrated four color characters. Again, he is well within his rights as a creator to do that. And I am well within my rights to have always thought he was a world class asshat as a person. t:

 

[BH/HHH]

Yes! He was always pushing the envelope, and I could see how at the start of his career it would be taken as bold and refreshing. But I always thought most of it was done to satisfy his own need to get a strong emotional reaction from the readers, AND NOTHING ELSE. It wasn't to explore "mature" ideas or further the topics for discussion. He just wanted to get a rise out of people who intensely believe in these illustrated four color characters. Again, he is well within his rights as a creator to do that. And I am well within my rights to have always thought he was a world class asshat as a person. t:

Agreed t:

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I think it's clear that Miller is a shadow of the man he used to be. I think he just likes to shock now.

I think he always liked to shock. TDKR has Batman putting out the Joker's eye with a Batarang, and Joker not caring enough to pull it out. There are instances of words that the FCC doesn't like in ther. Heck, Bruno is all you would need to get an R rating in live action!

Spoiler

Joker snaps his own neck after Batman paralyzes him, and then Batman sets him on fire just to make sure he's dead/

Also, Bruce likes to walk around in the buff before suiting up. I've never been fond of the idea that Batman's completely not dressed without the batsuit. It worked for the "rebirth scene" but that's about it.

 

[Mikelus]

Agreed; I mean considering the circumstances, I thought Superman did alright and certainly didn't deserve the level of hate that he got for the battle that took place in Metropolis. But then again, I have to remember on how some fans were pissed to even see Superman drinking beer for the first time in SR during broad daylight...

And in Smallville, every time Clark wasn't a perfect boy scout, the crazy ones cried: that's not Superman blahblahblah... Thank God most people are more reasonable than that!

I just hope that they don't portray Batman as being this all knowing, always right type of character where only Superman learns something valuable from him. It should go both ways imho, even if Batman is a more seasoned warrior/costumed hero.

I know you love to worry a lot (lol), but Snyder and Cavill are Superman fans too, the character should be fine, he could be inspiring others, like Batman, Goyer said something related to that:

David Goyer: It is our intention that, in success, this would be the zero issue and from this point onward, possible films could expand into a shared universe. In our world, the Man of Steel world, Zack has gone on record saying that we’re implying there are other superheroes in this world. But I don’t know that they’ve come forward yet. The idea is that Superman is the first one. There might be people helping people, but not in costumes, and that Superman comes forward and announces himself to the world. In him announcing himself, he’s the one that changes things.

http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/06...steels-story-causes-the-justice-league-movie/

 

[rogue trooper]

I'd like if Snyder would talk to John Byrne as well.