Zack Snyder Confirms Ending!

[Project862006]

and who is to say the cancer tv interview thing is'nt shown all around the world

 

[November Rain]

it doesn't matter who sees it, the point is that the people who watch it are watching a superhero on tv, not a god.

he's not worshipped or idoled. they just think he's this powerful weapon. there is no devotion to him and kids aren't wearing doc manhatten posters. he's not on walls, he's not on kids adverts and to some extent he's not part of american idealism propaganda the way sally jupiter was back in day.

which is why there is ultimately no hysteria when he leaves. No one really gives a crap.

 

[BestGirl]

it doesn't matter who sees it, the point is that the people who watch it are watching a superhero on tv, not a god.

he's not worshipped or idoled. they just think he's this powerful weapon. there is no devotion to him and kids aren't wearing doc manhatten posters. he's not on walls, he's not on kids adverts and to some extent he's not part of american idealism propaganda the way sally jupiter was back in day.

which is why there is ultimately no hysteria when he leaves. No one really gives a crap.

I'm rather surprised the public isn't more upset about his disappearance. He is, after all, America's greatest weapon and strategic advantage against the USSR.

I also think you guys might be taking The Guard's god statement a bit too literally. Manhattan does have godlike powers, which I think is noted by Laurie at some point, and his impact on Earth has been substantial both technologically and psychologically. By 1985, humans have grown to accept Manhattan's weirdness, at least on the surface, but I suspect some uneasiness remains. That uneasiness and suspicion would turn to hysteria once they realize Manhattan's turned on them.

 

[Katsuro]

I'm rather surprised the public isn't more upset about his disappearance. He is, after all, America's greatest weapon and strategic advantage against the USSR.

I also think you guys might be taking The Guard's god statement a bit too literally. Manhattan does have godlike powers, which I think is noted by Laurie at some point, and his impact on Earth has been substantial both technologically and psychologically. By 1985, humans have grown to accept Manhattan's weirdness, at least on the surface, but I suspect some uneasiness remains. That uneasiness and suspicion would turn to hysteria once they realize Manhattan's turned on them.

I'm surprised anyone is disputing the idea of Manhattan as a godlike figure. I mean, "God is real, and he's American", it's a major theme of the book.

 

[BestGirl]

I'm surprised anyone is disputing the idea of Manhattan as a godlike figure. I mean, "God is real, and he's American", it's a major theme of the book.

The Guard called Manhattan a god because he has such incredible powers, and some people were saying that he can't be one because Manhattan's not all that popular, or the theological underpinnings aren't there, or whatever. I'm just saying that people are taking the word "god" too literally. I don't think anyone is disputing that Manhattan is godlike in the sense that he has great power.

 

[Shivsguy616]

The Guard called Manhattan a god because he has such incredible powers, and some people were saying that he can't be one because Manhattan's not all that popular, or the theological underpinnings aren't there, or whatever. I'm just saying that people are taking the word "god" too literally. I don't think anyone is disputing that Manhattan is godlike in the sense that he has great power.

It's semantics. Everyone here knows that Manhattan has "godlike" powers. They also all know that he isn't a god. They need only read a dictionary to work that out. Some people are just stubborn and arguing for the sake of it.

 

[Max Shrek]

What Crimsonmist said.

"I'm leaving this galaxy for one more complicated". Not "I'm leaving and coming back".

Dr. Manhattan did not completely lose empathy for humanity in WATCHMEN. He just decided judging their actions was too complex and complicated. He never intended to return. He was going off to create his own life, to be God to another universe, and one assumes, was not going to return.

Could he concievably have returned? Sure, and he could in this movie version, too. But it's incredibly doubtful that he would.

I still say that our world is the Earth that Dr. Manhattan created, one without the complicated superheroics that cluttered up his universe and Alan Moore is a prophet...

 

[November Rain]

I'm surprised anyone is disputing the idea of Manhattan as a godlike figure. I mean, "God is real, and he's American", it's a major theme of the book.

I don't think it is as major as it seems. I understand that it remains real in the eyes of the political world but to the average day person....they seem somewhat unaffected by it.

 

[Katsuro]

I don't think it is as major as it seems. I understand that it remains real in the eyes of the political world but to the average day person....they seem somewhat unaffected by it.

There's also the quote: "Often, they ask to surender to me personally, their terror of me balanced by an almost religious awe. I am reminded of how the Japanese were reported to have viewed the atomic bomb, after Hiroshima" Chapter IV, Page 20. Interesting, that kinda ties into the new ending rather well...

 

[Watson]

I still say that our world is the Earth that Dr. Manhattan created, one without the complicated superheroics that cluttered up his universe and Alan Moore is a prophet...

Totally OT, but I :heart: your Sailor Neptune avvy

 

[Everything boy]

Sorry to get offtopic (or on i dont know) But I think that a fundamental misunderstanding of the worlds reaction to anything by Americans is one of the main reasons the whole "dr.M did it all" doesn't wash. I feel that after chapter 4's document that the USSR (at least in thier universe but maybe in ours too) takes orders from no man. That combined with the fact that even the best estimates in the book say that he can only stop 60% of missles (40% is not exactly a non-war) makes the plot device kind of ring hollow.
have to quote for a bit

"Infinite destruction divided by 2 or 10 is still infinite destruction. If threatened with eventual domination, would the soviets pursue this unquestionably suicidal course? Yes. Given thier history and view of the world I think they would."
-Milton Glass

It may be that everything alan Moore writes is such beutiful prose that I am convinced instantly, but my study of history seems to confirm that Russia had this 'never back down, it could never be worse than the nazis' attitude (in fact it may be what kept the world going the way it did.)

Read chapter 4 doc thouroghly and I think you might see what I mean.

P.s. too bad 9/11 had to happen because I think that the best compromise is a saucer (or other alien craft) crashing into lower manhattan

P.S.S. First post what do you think?

 

[Everything boy]

Well thinking about V again, I always wondered why if your political party had the power to open up concentration camps, develop a virus (and it's cure,) and torture "undesirables" to death why would you need a fake terrorist attack to sweep you into power? If no-one is complaining in the international community yet isn't everyone on you side?

this is one of those things Moore thought belonged in "wizzer & chips"
But it goes to show you that big is a relative term and audiences might not think a "giant" plot-hole is so significant. I was pissed for a while about what I mentioned above but no-one I talked to seemed to notice.

I've come to a conclusion: If you both read and watched "V" and hated it: you should not waste your money in march, but if you didn't go "come on!" at every 10 minutes of that movie: get in line.

you all should really just base the whole thing on that because i think it will have a telling outcome (i.e. squid=hated V, no squid=was OK with V)

also I resent the word squid being used to describe the psychic engineered organism that appears in the book, it's not a squid and these two sentences do have differences:
Do you think this movie should have a gigantic squid in it?
as opposed to:
Do you think this movie should have a giant, psychic, cthulu-like beast in it?

 

[CrimsonMist]

Well thinking about V again, I always wondered why if your political party had the power to open up concentration camps, develop a virus (and it's cure,) and torture "undesirables" to death why would you need a fake terrorist attack to sweep you into power? If no-one is complaining in the international community yet isn't everyone on you side?

this is one of those things Moore thought belonged in "wizzer & chips"
But it goes to show you that big is a relative term and audiences might not think a "giant" plot-hole is so significant. I was pissed for a while about what I mentioned above but no-one I talked to seemed to notice.

I've come to a conclusion: If you both read and watched "V" and hated it: you should not waste your money in march, but if you didn't go "come on!" at every 10 minutes of that movie: get in line.

you all should really just base the whole thing on that because i think it will have a telling outcome (i.e. squid=hated V, no squid=was OK with V)

also I resent the word squid being used to describe the psychic engineered organism that appears in the book, it's not a squid and these two sentences do have differences:
Do you think this movie should have a gigantic squid in it?
as opposed to:
Do you think this movie should have a giant, psychic, cthulu-like beast in it?

I'm sorry, but i'm having trouble trying to understand what you mean. You're saying that if one watched V For Vendetta and ACCEPTED the changes, they're more likely to accept Watchmen? And if we read and watched V and hated it, we shouldn't see Watchmen?

Because i disagree. Watchmen has shown that it intends to be far more faithful than any adaptation of Moore's works, with the exception to the ending. Some will argue that it stays true to the themes present throughout the novel and at the end(such as me), and some beg to differ. And i read and watched V, loved the book and didn't like the film. Watchmen is different. Love the book, and can tell you from what i've seen of the footage, it's more faithful than V looked in that film's trailers.

Furthermore, the alien looks like a giant squid. We know it's an genetically engineered creature. We're all Watchmen geeks here. Squid is just a term we give it. And you do know Cthulhu had the head of a squid right? It all goes hand in hand. I'm sure you'd go crazy after typing "giant, psychic, cthulu-like beast in it" every time you had an online discussion about Watchmen. "Squid" works. You'll live.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

hey idiot....shut up and stop spamming..no one cares about your website

 

[Everything boy]

You're saying that if one watched V For Vendetta and ACCEPTED the changes, they're more likely to accept Watchmen? And if we read and watched V and hated it, we shouldn't see Watchmen?

First sentence: yes second one: not so much, I a curmudgeon by nature (and seeing the nit-picking [now you can complain about my connotation, or denotation I can remember which] on this forum, I am not alone.) and things that are "tiny" can irritate me a whole hell of a lot.

wait a sec give a yes to both because you said "hated V" so yes if you hated v don't come to me and complain when you think this sux, use my above answer if you meant "disliked" or "was slightly irritated by"

It's connotation!

 

[I Am The Knight]

hey idiot....shut up and stop spamming..no one cares about your website

Um, what

 

[Everything boy]

"Furthermore, the alien looks like a giant squid."

don't see arms going to have to go with "octopus"

"Squid is just a term we give it."

Just like the Iranian term for Israeli is "Zionist" (kidding)

"And you do know Cthulhu had the head of a squid right?"

Once again I going to have to go with octopus

I'm new here folks, forgive the lack of blue boxes

 

[November Rain]

Sorry to get offtopic (or on i dont know) But I think that a fundamental misunderstanding of the worlds reaction to anything by Americans is one of the main reasons the whole "dr.M did it all" doesn't wash. I feel that after chapter 4's document that the USSR (at least in thier universe but maybe in ours too) takes orders from no man. That combined with the fact that even the best estimates in the book say that he can only stop 60% of missles (40% is not exactly a non-war) makes the plot device kind of ring hollow.
have to quote for a bit

"Infinite destruction divided by 2 or 10 is still infinite destruction. If threatened with eventual domination, would the soviets pursue this unquestionably suicidal course? Yes. Given thier history and view of the world I think they would."
-Milton Glass

It may be that everything alan Moore writes is such beutiful prose that I am convinced instantly, but my study of history seems to confirm that Russia had this 'never back down, it could never be worse than the nazis' attitude (in fact it may be what kept the world going the way it did.)

Read chapter 4 doc thouroghly and I think you might see what I mean.

P.s. too bad 9/11 had to happen because I think that the best compromise is a saucer (or other alien craft) crashing into lower manhattan

P.S.S. First post what do you think?

flying saucer is fine, anything is fine as long as it 'seems' alien in nature and is not doctor manhatten.

 

[Everything boy]

flying saucer is fine, anything is fine as long as it 'seems' alien in nature and is not doctor manhatten.

But wouldn't NYC residents be disturbed by the image of a ship crashing into their (pre-9/11) skyline? I might hit a little to close to home.

 

[November Rain]

it doesn't have to crash, it need only be teleported in and explode.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

Um, what

haha now i look ******ed...a guy was spamming saying "to know the truth about the watchmen www.?.com" he posted it in like 12 threads on here
mods deleted it

 

[I Am The Knight]

haha now i look ******ed...a guy was spamming saying "to know the truth about the watchmen www.?.com" he posted it in like 12 threads on here
mods deleted it

I missed all of that t:

 

[Everything boy]

November rain you're a genius! Too bad me and you didn't know these screenwriters. I personally think its a good compromise, but that's just me.
All the special effects wonder of the type this film this has to have, while preserving original intent with the whole alien thing, and letting audiences fill in the rest (I know the scenes are great but isn't the revelation THAT Ozy did what he did and not really HOW he did it? 'cause they really just give you science fictiony explaination that they probably wouldn't be put even in the most ideal watchmen 3hour version)

The main reason I hate to see the alien element go is because of a (paraphrased) quote of reagan's (who I don't particularly like but sometiomes wisdom comes frome the mouths of babes):

"Sometimes I wonder how quickly our differences would be swept aside were we to be attacked by a power from outer space"

 

[Shivsguy616]

The thing I find weird about the ending is the psychic...

I mean, in every piece of prose, you're allowed one what if. In watchmen, the what if was Manhattan. Fine, appart from Manhattan though, everything must be believable, and for the most part it is. Then at the end this "psychic" thing is thrown in, without any reasoning as to why psychic ability works or occurs in that universe. It's a bit like having a wizard turn up at the end, a bit WTF?

 

[BestGirl]

The thing I find weird about the ending is the psychic...

I mean, in every piece of prose, you're allowed one what if. In watchmen, the what if was Manhattan. Fine, appart from Manhattan though, everything must be believable, and for the most part it is. Then at the end this "psychic" thing is thrown in, without any reasoning as to why psychic ability works or occurs in that universe. It's a bit like having a wizard turn up at the end, a bit WTF?

I too found the psychic part to be weak and entirely out of left field. The best explanation I have is that, whether they exist or not, Veidt believes in psychics. He does seem to have a mystic side.

You're right that we don't know how or even if the psychic story waves would work. I choose to believe "sensitives" aren't real and Veidt's psychic scheme had no effect on anyone.