Zack Snyder Confirms Ending!

[Shivsguy616]

I too found the psychic part to be weak and entirely out of left field. The best explanation I have is that, whether they exist or not, Veidt believes in psychics. He does seem to have a mystic side.

You're right that we don't know how or even if the psychic story waves would work. I choose to believe "sensitives" aren't real and Veidt's psychic scheme had no effect on anyone.

Yeah, the only flaw with that way of looking at it though, is that Veidt is meant to be very smart. Now, fine if psychics do exist in that universe, but if like in this one, they don't, that would be a pretty stupid thing for him to think.

 

[BestGirl]

Yeah, the only flaw with that way of looking at it though, is that Veidt is meant to be very smart. Now, fine if psychics do exist in that universe, but if like in this one, they don't, that would be a pretty stupid thing for him to think.

Very intelligent people can believe in bizarre and even stupid things. Marie Curie was a devotee of spiritualism. Besides, no one's proven conclusively that psychics don't exist.

 

[calibud]

"According to Lou Cannon, one of Ronald Reagan’s biographers, Reagan was so stirred by the notion that extraterrestrial invasion would trump national differences that he floated the scenario upon meeting Mikhail Gorbachev at Geneva in 1985. This departure from script flummoxed Reagan’s staff — not to mention the Soviet general secretary. Mr. Cannon writes that, well acquainted with what he called the president’s interest in “little green men,” Colin L. Powell, at the time the national security adviser, was convinced that the proposal had been inspired by “The Day the Earth Stood Still.” Reagan revisited the idea two years later in a speech at the United Nations: “I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world.” "

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ag44dRO8LEA

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/02/movies/moviesspecial/02hobe.html?_r=1

1985, guys. I was originally OKAY with the changed ending. It still brings about the same end as the comics and it's a reason for Manhattan to leave earth that's easy to swallow.
But it's not just the means to the proper ending, it's the lunacy of it all. How people thought it was insane for an alien lifeform to threaten the planet...and then it does. Out of NOWHERE.

Now, I'm not going to claim that I will "boycott" the film (which is fancy talk for "I'll wait for the DVD/BluRay or cable showing"), and I'm not even going to decry the script/Snyder/what have you. I have faith that the film ending will work fine. It just sacrificed what could've been a gory, shocking, and really ballsy ending if only because when was the last time *in a film* you saw a giant squid kill millions of people at one time?

Disappointing? Yes. Am I still expecting a badass ****-all film? Hell yes.

 

[BestGirl]

"Furthermore, the alien looks like a giant squid."

don't see arms going to have to go with "octopus"

"Squid is just a term we give it."

Just like the Iranian term for Israeli is "Zionist" (kidding)

"And you do know Cthulhu had the head of a squid right?"

Once again I going to have to go with octopus

According to Dave Gibbons, "cephalopod" is the correct term for the "squid." Read the quote at the bottom of the link: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/11/samuel_l_jackson.html

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[Katsuro]

I too found the psychic part to be weak and entirely out of left field. The best explanation I have is that, whether they exist or not, Veidt believes in psychics. He does seem to have a mystic side.

You're right that we don't know how or even if the psychic story waves would work. I choose to believe "sensitives" aren't real and Veidt's psychic scheme had no effect on anyone.

Well obviously in the world of Watchmen psychics do exist. How can you say the psychic scheme had no effect on anyone? It was the psychic blast that killed half of New York, and drove the other half insane. If the psychic thing didn't work, then only the people in the direct vicinity of the squid would've died, not the millions that did.

 

[Shivsguy616]

Very intelligent people can believe in bizarre and even stupid things. Marie Curie was a devotee of spiritualism. Besides, no one's proven conclusively that psychics don't exist.

Marie Curie lived long ago, but that doesn't really matter. She's just one person. All studies conducted, have shown that, in general, as intelligence rises the belief in the supernatural decreases. That's why 93% of the world's top scientists are atheist. Sure, I guess Veidt could be one of those that break the mold, but I got the sense that Moore meant for psychics to actually exist in that world, and that sidelined me a bit.

By the way, psychics have been proven not to exist. It depends on what you mean by conclusively. The easter bunny can never 100% be disproven either, nothing can. But they're as near to certainly imaginary as is necessary to say they don't exist.

 

[November Rain]

the psychic thing is no big deal for me.

Just in the same way viedt was able to perfect his body to catch a bullet, i'm sure there would have been similar people doing the same things with their minds

wasn't one of their enemies like a magician?

 

[Doctor Jones]

the psychic thing is no big deal for me.

Just in the same way viedt was able to perfect his body to catch a bullet, i'm sure there would have been similar people doing the same things with their minds

wasn't one of their enemies like a magician?

Are you talking about Molac?

 

[November Rain]

yah

 

[I Am The Knight]

The level of Moloch's magic skills is up to interpretation, he was mostly a regular crime boss. He had no real magical powers, like say, Zatanna.

 

[Rain Dog]

I imagined Moloch being a Mysterio-esque type of villain that uses illusions and parlor tricks and the like.

 

[BestGirl]

Well obviously in the world of Watchmen psychics do exist. How can you say the psychic scheme had no effect on anyone? It was the psychic blast that killed half of New York, and drove the other half insane. If the psychic thing didn't work, then only the people in the direct vicinity of the squid would've died, not the millions that did.

It's been a while since I've read the GN, but here's how I remember it:

People die from the shock bomb that was located in the creature's "sensitive" brain. We know that some story and imagery of the alien was coded into the wave, but we're never told that any psychics picked up on this story. Sure, people were driven crazy, but electromagnetic pulses or whatever that squid emitted could have had that effect on the survivors, or it's possible that people were driven mad from seeing so much death at the same time. It doesn't mean the psychic aspect succeeded.

Marie Curie lived long ago, but that doesn't really matter. She's just one person. All studies conducted, have shown that, in general, as intelligence rises the belief in the supernatural decreases. That's why 93% of the world's top scientists are atheist. Sure, I guess Veidt could be one of those that break the mold, but I got the sense that Moore meant for psychics to actually exist in that world, and that sidelined me a bit.

Moore probably did intend for psychics to exist, but as there isn't any actual evidence they exist in the Watchmen world except for Veidt's belief in them and a news story that referred to a dead psychic I prefer to think of them as figments of Veidt's imagination.

BTW, your point about intelligence and superstition being inversely correlated only applies to populations. Individuals don't have to adhere to that rule. Veidt's a guy who dresses in a ludicrous costume to fight crime and sincerely believes that creating a city-destroying alien squid will bring about eternal world peace. It's not such a stretch to say that he has a believes in mystical nonsense like psychics.

 

[Gilpesh]

Dawes... there is a psychic in Watchmen, that's how Ozy made the giant brain of the squid able to broadcast the images that the artists made into the minds of people in New York, and that 'sensitives' worldwide would have nightmares after it...

And I just checked it, that's right from the book, and right from Ozy's dialogue.

 

[Shivsguy616]

BTW, your point about intelligence and superstition being inversely correlated only applies to populations. Individuals don't have to adhere to that rule. Veidt's a guy who dresses in a ludicrous costume to fight crime and sincerely believes that creating a city-destroying alien squid will bring about eternal world peace. It's not such a stretch to say that he has a believes in mystical nonsense like psychics.

That's what I meant by stating that Curie was just one person. Sorry, I guess I wasn't clear enough.

 

[BestGirl]

Dawes... there is a psychic in Watchmen, that's how Ozy made the giant brain of the squid able to broadcast the images that the artists made into the minds of people in New York, and that 'sensitives' worldwide would have nightmares after it...

And I just checked it, that's right from the book, and right from Ozy's dialogue.

Veidt stole the brain from a guy who claimed to be a psychic. Any hack can claim to be a psychic. Is there any evidence that the images appeared in psychics' dreams afterwards? I know that's what Ozzy intended to happen, but do we have any proof that it did?

 

[the_tortel]

It took me 2 times reading it to fully get the whole "psychic" dealie.

 

[Everything boy]

According to Dave Gibbons, "cephalopod" is the correct term for the "squid." Read the quote at the bottom of the link: http://nymag.com/daily/entertainment/2008/11/samuel_l_jackson.html



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1st thing well since HE said it it's got top be true (people have to stop giving him so much credit about this, he's no Kirby) also I realize that most people decry typing and thus any other description (even the simple word octopus) is too tedious, but I think that in our laziness we created a term that implies a lack of seriousness and thus kind of end the argument before it begins (note the thing about the Israelis if the ideolouges from both sides came together to debate terminology become important, if the iranians agree to be called "anti-semites" or "jihadis" than the Israelis have already won, if the israelis agree to be called zionists tha vice-versa, may be I'm just the nitpickinist man in the world, but it matters to me.)

2nd I find a hard time making the boxes because it goes away if you type between their words

 

[Gilpesh]

Veidt stole the brain from a guy who claimed to be a psychic. Any hack can claim to be a psychic. Is there any evidence that the images appeared in psychics' dreams afterwards? I know that's what Ozzy intended to happen, but do we have any proof that it did?

Wow... you must really have a hard-on for making Watchmen look stupid if WHAT IS SAID IN THE BOOK isn't enough for you.

 

[Everything boy]

Wow... you must really have a hard-on for making Watchmen look stupid if WHAT IS SAID IN THE BOOK isn't enough for you.

Though his comment about not believing it worked made me cringe a bit I think you went a little too far. Saying "So you don't believe whats said in the book" is one thing, but the whole "hard on" comment was in poor taste. I don't think you owe anyone an apology, I would simply like you to tone it down a little next time (I especially get mad at things like this all the time but I think you let it get to you a little too much.)

Just a little: everyone likes a little spunk (american meaning)

 

[Gilpesh]

poor taste.

No. This is in poor taste:

Spoiler

 

[Everything boy]

But at least that's funny

 

[The Guard]

Veidt stole the brain from a guy who claimed to be a psychic. Any hack can claim to be a psychic. Is there any evidence that the images appeared in psychics' dreams afterwards? I know that's what Ozzy intended to happen, but do we have any proof that it did?

The psychic signal is portrayed as a terrible electronic signal that affects not just psychics, but normal people as well. Veidt is saying that it's so nightmarish that sensitives will absorb it and have nightmares for years to come.

The book does mention people being affected by it. One newscast after the event talks about a woman who was convinced her unborn child was eating her from the inside. There are several other references of images received, felt, etc.

 

[CrimsonMist]

1st thing well since HE said it it's got top be true (people have to stop giving him so much credit about this, he's no Kirby) also I realize that most people decry typing and thus any other description (even the simple word octopus) is too tedious, but I think that in our laziness we created a term that implies a lack of seriousness and thus kind of end the argument before it begins

What? The co-creator of the creature called it a cephalopod,and you're saying that we're giving him too much credit by believing it? THE CREATURE IS A CEPHALOPOD!!! LOOK AT IT IN THE COMIC!!! It's got tentacles. You yourself called a cthulhu beast! Cthulhu is a CEPHALOPOD!!!

If Jack Kirby drew Watchmen and said it was a cephalopod, you'd believe it!? Are you serious?

How the hell does it end the argument before it begins?

 

[S.D. Plissken]

The psychic signal is portrayed as a terrible electronic signal that affects not just psychics, but normal people as well. Veidt is saying that it's so nightmarish that sensitives will absorb it and have nightmares for years to come.

The book does mention people being affected by it. One newscast after the event talks about a woman who was convinced her unborn child was eating her from the inside. There are several other references of images received, felt, etc.

The Guard speaks the truth. You cannot argue with the book.

******ed comments like this are why I don't spend much time here anymore. I don't enjoy arguing in circles with people who have endless time to waste.

Nice script synopsis BTW on watchmenmovie.com. I may have been wrong about you after all.

What? The co-creator of the creature called it a cephalopod,and you're saying that we're giving him too much credit by believing it? THE CREATURE IS A CEPHALOPOD!!! LOOK AT IT IN THE COMIC!!! It's got tentacles. You yourself called a cthulhu beast! Cthulhu is a CEPHALOPOD!!!

If Jack Kirby drew Watchmen and said it was a cephalopod, you'd believe it!? Are you serious?

How the hell does it end the argument before it begins?

See above. Don't waste your energy, CM. I know you to be a reasonably intelligent individual.

 

[BestGirl]

2nd I find a hard time making the boxes because it goes away if you type between their words

Type [ /QUOTE ] after a sentence you want to respond to, but remove the spaces between QUOTE and the brackets. To bring the quote box back, type [ QUOTE ] before the sentence you want to appear in the box, again remembering to remove the spaces between QUOTE and the brackets.

BTW, my point about Gibbons is that he's the co-creator of the GN and if he says it's a cephalopod, then it's a cephalopod. I prefer squid, myself, as it's fun to say. t:

Wow... you must really have a hard-on for making Watchmen look stupid if WHAT IS SAID IN THE BOOK isn't enough for you.

I'm not trying to make the GN look stupid, I just didn't like the psychic angle, so I've tried to rationalize it out. I probably shouldn't do that, but what the heck.

The psychic signal is portrayed as a terrible electronic signal that affects not just psychics, but normal people as well. Veidt is saying that it's so nightmarish that sensitives will absorb it and have nightmares for years to come.

The book does mention people being affected by it. One newscast after the event talks about a woman who was convinced her unborn child was eating her from the inside. There are several other references of images received, felt, etc.

I have no doubt that Moore intended Veidt's psychic plot to be real, I just wish he'd introduced some real psychic earlier so that it didn't seem to come out of left field at the end. If Moore had established psychics as definitely existing earlier I wouldn't have had such a hard time believing it. I just didn't like the fact that the Watchmen world seemed so realistic and science-based only to have psychics pulled in at the end. Are there any psychics in the movie script?