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Zack Snyder Confirms Ending!

Yes, Miss Dawes, you're right: he's the puppet who sees the strings, but he's no Ozy's puppet. :o

The implied thing there is that Doc Manhattan is God's or creation's (or whatever one names it) puppet.

Multiple cities, and the bad taste of nuclear blasts are not Veidt's style, no matter how Guard or Norman can try to word it otherwise.

The book had humour, vision and a really daring imagination in the ending. That's just absent from da movie, mates. :cwink:
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I don't see how outrageous and from left field the ending necessarily helps the ending in the story - if anything it takes away from it. The ending was suppose to be a surprise because the "bad guy" (though I think Ozy is the hero) never wins.

Ozy=the hero? I think you took the exact wrong message from the story, but to each his own.
 

Oh, Mercurius does not need to admit anything. He calls me Miss Dawes, which I find charming, so he do anything he wants. :up:

Ozy=the hero? I think you took the exact wrong message from the story, but to each his own.

I didn't like Ozzy, but I can see it. While the rest of these costumed misfits are spinning their wheels chasing down rioters and small-time crooks (and the occasional truly evil criminal) he's out doing something that could actually save the world. He does it in an immoral way, sure, but was anyone else doing anything to prevent armageddon? That's the beauty of Watchmen, its ambiguity.
 
Seriously, nobody ****s with Mercurius.

Pretty much the most well reasoned and coherent posts on here.

Yeah, I would say they really ****ed the ending (if you have a perfect story that people know and enjoy for a couple decades--why **** with it? It defies common sense.), and I'm not happy about the omission of the 5th dimensional cephalopod--but I'm still going to see the film, because it's going to be hard to resist a geek event that has been over 20 years in the making, and plus, that ****'s reeeeeel flashy.

and I can't resists teh flashy.
 
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I didn't like Ozzy, but I can see it. While the rest of these costumed misfits are spinning their wheels chasing down rioters and small-time crooks (and the occasional truly evil criminal) he's out doing something that could actually save the world. He does it in an immoral way, sure, but was anyone else doing anything to prevent armageddon? That's the beauty of Watchmen, its ambiguity.

You're like The Comedian, only female! :hehe:
 
Being well-spoken by Miss Dawes and Plissken just made my day.
 
adrian is trying to prevent a civilization-ending nuclear war. He is not trying to avoid death at all costs, or to minimize casualties. If he was, he would not have needed to blow up half new york. He could have just released a psychic shockwave and killed far fewer people. He is willing to do so to create the scale of the fake threat.

I fail to see how a man willing to kill half new york city, a city full of his own countrymen, would somehow balk at killing half of several other cities people if it meant saving the world.

I don't mind the use of "multiple cities", because it makes sense, in the context of bringing the entire world together. It feels a lot more "global". Yes, watchmen had the "psychic shockwave" element, which is cool and all, but this still feels like more of a "politically relevant global impact" than that did.

Dr. Manhattan being framed again isn't writers making him out to be a moron. Veidt's use of tachyons plays a role here as it does in the comic. Manhattan, who can only see his own future, cannot tell what is happening throughout the story because his perception of time is distorted. In addition to this, he is becoming less and less concerned with humanity. And regardless of how much he knows or cares...he goes along with it in the end, just as he does in the novel. So yeah. He's "in on it", since he knows it's the best possible course for earth at this point. How does that make him a "moron"?.

And i'm sorry...everyone would entirely destroy north korea because a weapon they created got out of hand? What are you basing that on? What would be the point of that?

A giant squid/fear over alien attack is also going to be somewhat temporary, albeit in a different context. We can't prove what would or would not happen in "the real world" if "event a" or "event b" happened, so let's stop trying to do so. We're basically just speculating, but not doing so in the context of the world and situations that the novel and film presents. Manhattan going rogue isn't the kind of thing that's likely to be stopped in any event. He's basically telling the earth "continue these aggressions, and i will destroy you". Near as i can tell, no country in the world would risk nuclear aggression after what he does at the end of the film version of watchmen.

And people, watchmen makes it clear that veidt's solution was meant to be a temporary one, at best. He intended to help lead the world into a better place after stopping nuclear war.


Pretty much sums it all up for me
 
me aswell and this new ending i never viewed as just him going rogue lets not forget last time the public has seen Manhattan, he is known as a giant blue man who gave cancer to numerous people that he loved and teleported a whole audience out of the building on national TV.Its not like he just left earth out of nowhere and Adrian set him up to look like he started blowing **** up.
 
im not sure i like the idea of DM getting framed, as everyone (especially the guard) stated it does make perfect sense, but i always thought DM was omnipotent, he doesnt see time in order, its all a jumble to him, yes the tachyons distort his perception, but its not like he cant see anything.

again, it makes sense, i just dont like it as a personal opinion, thats not the role of DM symbolically in the novel.
 
yes the tachyons distort his perception, but its not like he cant see anything.

He can't see his role in things clearly. The book makes this fairly clear. The only thing he can sense is that his perception is distorted, and that he is standing in snow killing someone.
 
He can't see his role in things clearly. The book makes this fairly clear. The only thing he can sense is that his perception is distorted, and that he is standing in snow killing someone.

yes true, but i find it hard to believe that they would block out his perception of the entire future, he can see years ahead of the present, it doesnt make sense that he doesnt se anything...

...but you are right, it just doesnt sit easy with me for some reason i cant put my finger on
 
yes true, but i find it hard to believe that they would block out his perception of the entire future, he can see years ahead of the present, it doesnt make sense that he doesnt se anything...

...but you are right, it just doesnt sit easy with me for some reason i cant put my finger on

I think the tachyons warp DM's psychic perception of events that occur immediately after the explosion. The farther away in time from the explosion an event is the clearer DM can see it.
 
Nah, only in '84.

If you say so, but ya know you might wanna be careful about how you throw that kind of privilege around... :hehe:

Until now, you just had that harmless little grudge against me, which is fine and I don't care about. Make fun is always ok.

But this is being rude to a fair and intelligent poster (who often disagrees with me, by the way) just for the sake of being rude.

That you should be wise to quit. It's just offensive.
 
Until now, you just had that harmless little grudge against me, which is fine and I don't care about. Make fun is always ok.

But this is being rude to a fair and intelligent poster (who often disagrees with me, by the way) just for the sake of being rude.

That you should be wise to quit. It's just offensive.
huh?...i thought it was funny and was obviously just a joke...no humor in this thread anymore? :huh:
 
yes true, but i find it hard to believe that they would block out his perception of the entire future, he can see years ahead of the present, it doesnt make sense that he doesnt se anything...

Tell that to Alan Moore. There are a lot of "hard to believe" elements in WATCHMEN. Dr. Manhattan himself is one of them. :)
 
Are we sure the Manhattan ending is real?

Watch the Japanese Watchmen trailer. Do you see how the blue energy dissipates as it reaches a couple people in the street? I'd imagine that a city-destroying explosion might encompass a little more of the city. Somehow, this extra bit of this scenes speaks "teleportation" to me more than it does "bomb".
 
Are we sure the Manhattan ending is real?

Watch the Japanese Watchmen trailer. Do you see how the blue energy dissipates as it reaches a couple people in the street? I'd imagine that a city-destroying explosion might encompass a little more of the city. Somehow, this extra bit of this scenes speaks "teleportation" to me more than it does "bomb".


We can only wait 'til the film is released to find out if Snyder has been yanking our chains...don't get your hopes up though.
 
Are we sure the Manhattan ending is real?

Watch the Japanese Watchmen trailer. Do you see how the blue energy dissipates as it reaches a couple people in the street? I'd imagine that a city-destroying explosion might encompass a little more of the city. Somehow, this extra bit of this scenes speaks "teleportation" to me more than it does "bomb".

But in that scene it looks like Bernard and Bernie are hugging each other, as they do at the end of the GN when the squid shows up.
 
Are we sure the Manhattan ending is real?

Watch the Japanese Watchmen trailer. Do you see how the blue energy dissipates as it reaches a couple people in the street? I'd imagine that a city-destroying explosion might encompass a little more of the city. Somehow, this extra bit of this scenes speaks "teleportation" to me more than it does "bomb".


Umm...it dissipates because the scene fades to black as it reaches the people.
 
I think the whole "framing Dr.M" thing is dumb because it would probably require a change in his power level (i.e. in the book he could only block a portion of the missiles) if he has the ability to make an effective threat to the 2 major cold war powers, that at least doubles his power (at the very least), and pretty much negates everything said in document 4. This raises another question, why did Nixon not ask this double powered Manhattan (who is at least powerful enough to keep both countries in check) to destroy the soviet system and country? If he can effectively threaten the Russians AND us (which is just laughable after reading doc 4 and knowing a little about Russian history) how come when he was under govt control was he not more imposing as he is at the end of the film
honestly the only reason in the book the cold war still exists after he is created is because he is not powerful enough to make the USSR pee themselves. Adding to him the power to make him be able to make both pee themselves just begs the question: "where were these powers during the war?" and "with such a powerful asset why isn't the US govt more confident" Altering power levels can throw a whole continuity off balance (ask superman writers). Also what could he be threatening the govts with? destruction in response to destruction? think about it a guy threatens us "you better not be so aggressive and crazy with the destroying the world ability" Nikita Khrushchev (I always think of him because of the "we will bury you" speech and the fact that he fought the Nazis at Stalingrad, thus embodying the whole the ruskies aren't scared of him thing said in doc 4) answers with "and what will you do to us if we do go to war? destroy us? there is nothing you can do to us that we would have not done to each other" what could Dr.M do?? I really want an answer because there MIGHT be a way to write around this.
 
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Manhattan going rogue isn't the kind of thing that's likely to BE stopped in any event. He's basically telling the Earth "continue these aggressions, and I will destroy you". Near as I can tell, no country in the world would risk nuclear aggression after what he does at the end of the film version of WATCHMEN.

You're speculated Dr.M line illustrates my point: whats the point of threatening some one with the outcome of the behavior that you are trying to prevent (they all have the same choice: launch and die. so how is this different from the regular cold war whose MAD assured launch and die?) Whats the difference? My point what could this Dr.M threaten us with that is strong enough to scare the proud Russians (who saw hell on earth in WW2) but not result in a useless MAD situation
 
This is slightly of topic but I was just sat here thinking and this came to mind but does anyone think Veidt was stupid trying to kill Manhattan in the same manner in which he was born. I mean if he could put himself together the first time what made him think he couldnt put himself together again. Now that I think about it, that whole plan just seems ever so ******ed (from the worlds smartest man).
 

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