Superman Returns 100 Things I Learned From Superman Returns

[Billy Batson]

28. First ever 400+ million grossing flop!

 

[JayKay]

28. First ever 400+ million grossing flop!

That reminds me, fans need to lie in order to justify their dislike for a movie.

If you think Superman was out of character in SR, you're a liar. Simple as that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

^Its not exactly lying, i'd say thats a bit harsh and i'm an SR lover. Its just seeing things a different way, even if thier way of seeing things is wrong .

 

[JayKay]

^Its not exactly lying, i'd say thats a bit harsh and i'm an SR lover. Its just seeing things a different way, even if thier way of seeing things is wrong .

No. They're liars. These people that come online every day just to bash a movie they didn't like are so pathetic that they have to lie or blow things out of proportion just to get their point across.

 

[The Ones]

28. First ever 400+ million grossing flop!

Sorry, but X-3 takes that medal

 

[JamalYIgle]

17.
18. That Bryan Singer and crew can rip off entire storylines and pages of Dialog and Richard Donner and Mankelweitcz (sp) wont care, or bother to sue their butt's for grand theft and plagiarism.

Which part of Bryan got Donner's blessing and is a friend of Tom Mankewitz don't you get?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Really, thats weird considering the opening White House assault in X2 is better than any action scene in any of the Spider-Man movies, and that SR has more heroic, inspiring moments in that one film than any of the Spider-Man movies.



And I find that crazed Spiderman trolls will come to this board solely for the intent of starting trouble. Also, without Superman the Movie, you'd have no precious Spiderman movies to crazily cling to, not to mention STM is a MUCH better movie that the Spider-Man movies, and Raimi seems to acknowledge that with all of the Superman-esque moments in his overrated Spider-Man movies.

I also learned that it's easy and fun to piss you off and that you don't know how to use the ignore feature.

 

[matthooper]

I learned that the films rabid defenders and the films rabid haters are equally pathetic.

I was dissapointed but geez, it's just an opinion. People here take a film that the general public has already forgotten way to seriously, both the haters and the lovers.

 

[Gold Samurai]

I learned to set my expectations low on a film so when it under performs I won't be dissapointed

 

[Showtime]

Which part of Bryan got Donner's blessing and is a friend of Tom Mankewitz don't you get?

Doesn't WB own the rights to those scripts anyway...

 

[Spider-Fan]

No. They're liars. These people that come online every day just to bash a movie they didn't like are so pathetic that they have to lie or blow things out of proportion just to get their point across.

You know, there is a thing called freedom of expression. This works both ways, whether you liked x (in the case of this thread Superman Returns) or not. You are equally pathetic for complaining about people complaining, and I am equally pathetic for scolding you on it. It is a viscious cycle, so deal with it. I used to think why do people complain about things they hate, but then I realized that we do it everyday. Maybe not all on movies, etc. but people complain to others about things they hate constantly (Iraq anyone). Also, people will lie to make points. They do it every day in Washington, so again, deal with it or call them on it.

Another thing, when someone says Superman is out of character, they can be right or wrong. It depends what incarnation of Superman they prefer. Comic characters, unlike most other mediums, have history that has been built and revamped over and over again, so there is no definitive version of any comic book character.

 

[Jlandsw]

#26 - No matter how many people liked the film, there are still going to be people who disliked it.

#27 - One of the most significant things I got from this film is to never give up, no matter what the obstacles. I'll recap for those who didn't watch it closely:

Superman had just been stabbed with a piece of Kryptonite and left for dead. Lois and Richard rescued him. Lois removed the K from Supes; he regained consciousness and took off.

But now for the point most everyone forgets: He then flies up into the sun, absorbing enough solar energy to the point where he felt his powers were fully restored. Blasts out of the stratosphere, heat vision igniting the ocean floor. Lifts NK out of the ocean, but as he does, Kryptonite crystals appear. And using every ounce of his incredible strength, he keeps lifting until the landmass is in orbit - then, he blacks out.

I dare anyone out there to tell me that's not what a true hero is: persevering in the face of overwhelming adversity.

Nicely put!

 

[halfapple]

#26 - No matter how many people liked the film, there are still going to be people who disliked it.

#27 - One of the most significant things I got from this film is to never give up, no matter what the obstacles. I'll recap for those who didn't watch it closely:

Superman had just been stabbed with a piece of Kryptonite and left for dead. Lois and Richard rescued him. Lois removed the K from Supes; he regained consciousness and took off.

But now for the point most everyone forgets: He then flies up into the sun, absorbing enough solar energy to the point where he felt his powers were fully restored. Blasts out of the stratosphere, heat vision igniting the ocean floor. Lifts NK out of the ocean, but as he does, Kryptonite crystals appear. And using every ounce of his incredible strength, he keeps lifting until the landmass is in orbit - then, he blacks out.

I dare anyone out there to tell me that's not what a true hero is: persevering in the face of overwhelming adversity.

/Agree.

Well said.

 

[bosef982]

#26 - No matter how many people liked the film, there are still going to be people who disliked it.

#27 - One of the most significant things I got from this film is to never give up, no matter what the obstacles. I'll recap for those who didn't watch it closely:

Superman had just been stabbed with a piece of Kryptonite and left for dead. Lois and Richard rescued him. Lois removed the K from Supes; he regained consciousness and took off.

But now for the point most everyone forgets: He then flies up into the sun, absorbing enough solar energy to the point where he felt his powers were fully restored. Blasts out of the stratosphere, heat vision igniting the ocean floor. Lifts NK out of the ocean, but as he does, Kryptonite crystals appear. And using every ounce of his incredible strength, he keeps lifting until the landmass is in orbit - then, he blacks out.

I dare anyone out there to tell me that's not what a true hero is: persevering in the face of overwhelming adversity.

Well said. Agreed. He was so selfless...

He saves Richard and Lois' family. He trusts Richard with Lois's well-being and lets the leave. He then nearly dies saving Earth. Then he gives his one and only son to the woman he loves and the man he trusts to take care of them both....

 

[bosef982]

#29 -- Some fans will stop at nothing to trash and crash their icons, never acknowledging that there isn't a catholic version of any icon and all is open to interpretation.

#30 -- How a subtle film will always do more than a film with bombastic overtones and contrived plot lines.

 

[CGHulk]

#30 How some Superman fans will ridecule other Superman fans for having different opinions than their own.

 

[mego joe]

I didn't have any expectations for X-Men 3, in fact I didn't really follow its development, I just watched it and hated it.

I didn't have any real expectations for X3 either, but I liked and felt it entertained.

I had all kinds of expectations for SR. I expected to hate it. And Singer did a fantastic job of fulfilling my expectations.

Did I want to hate it? No. But it was so horrible, I had no choice.

 

[mego joe]

That fans don't seem to understand the nuances of subtlty.
*You can't abandon a child you don't know exist.

I disagree. He abandoned the responsibility of his actions by not telling Lois he was leaving. Plus, he wasn't around for the first 4 years of Jason's life. If he wasn't there by default he has abandonned the child and mother. Responsiblity is doing the right thing before the consequences of your actions are apparent. Ask Jason what he thinks. Ask any child who grows up to find out their biological father is someone else. If you are willing to engage in acts that result in conception, you must be cognisant of the responsibilities those acts might require.

*That Superman left their family intact in spite of how he felt... the noble thing to do.

Wasn't that really Lois's decision to make? He just didn't press the issue afte she told him , 'no.'

* Lifting New Krypton into orbit almost killed him.

And darn well it should have.

*Lex Luthor's plan was about controlling Kryptonian technology, not a land scheme.

I disagree. WHy copy the dialogue about the importance of land from SUperman The MOvie, if the scheme is not about real estate.

*Just because he's Superman doesn't mean he doesn't have wants , needs or has to be an emotionless drone, despite what certain fans think.

He certainly has every right to have wants and needs. THe problem is not in showing these aspects of the character, but rather in how he acts from their stimuli. He certainly should be a character that shows emotion, especially caring for others. That's why people that really care about others don't put themselves first when it comes to potentially being hurt emotionally. That's why Superman should have to the woman he loves, who he's been in a sexual relationship with that he's leaving the earth for 5 years. He has abandonned Lois emotionally and physically. If he tells her what's going on, he only abandons her physically, then maybe when he returns his life will be somewhat salvagable. But that's right, this is SInger's Superman, he has to be a screw up that creates all his own problems.

 

[mego joe]

That reminds me, fans need to lie in order to justify their dislike for a movie.

If you think Superman was out of character in SR, you're a liar. Simple as that.

How can anyone tell a lie based on their own opinoin. I think SUperman was out of character. I don't think he would ever father a child out of wedlock, or leave the woman he loves for 5 years w/o telling her that he's leaving. That's what I think. I don't secretly believe that he would and I'm contradicting that view publicly. I REALLY believe that he would not do those things. Just b/c I see Superman as a character whose essence is that of strong traditional morals and a character who puts others feelings before his own and you don't that is not lying. We simply disagree on the presentation of the character in the movie. No one is lying. Even Bryan SInger is not lying. HE maybe representing the character in a way incongruent with comic book continuity, but he's not lying.

 

[mego joe]

24. That the majority of the viewing public is so corrupt these days that the "old fashioned nice guy" isn't cool anymore.

While your statement is a fair assessment of SR, I think the old fashioned nice guy is cool. Cooler than anything in SR.

 

[mego joe]

even old fashioned nice guy gets lonley and horny

Yes, but the old fashioned nice guy knows how to have an outlet for these things withour hurting the people he loves or bringing innocent children into the world whose life he's screwed up.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Well said. Agreed. He was so selfless...

He saves Richard and Lois' family. He trusts Richard with Lois's well-being and lets the leave. He then nearly dies saving Earth. Then he gives his one and only son to the woman he loves and the man he trusts to take care of them both....

 

[GreenKToo]

31.I've learned that S.R. apparently made enough money to warrant a sequel..

 

[JamalYIgle]

Yes, but the old fashioned nice guy knows how to have an outlet for these things withour hurting the people he loves or bringing innocent children into the world whose life he's screwed up.

except neither he nor Lois knew the child was his until he came back. So once again.... You can't abandon a child if you don't know you have one.
To quote a line from S2 the donner cut: When is it my turn?..At least humans get to have some happiness, I only ask the same.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I disagree. He abandoned the responsibility of his actions by not telling Lois he was leaving. Plus, he wasn't around for the first 4 years of Jason's life. If he wasn't there by default he has abandonned the child and mother. Responsiblity is doing the right thing before the consequences of your actions are apparent. Ask Jason what he thinks. Ask any child who grows up to find out their biological father is someone else. If you are willing to engage in acts that result in conception, you must be cognisant of the responsibilities those acts might require.


Wasn't that really Lois's decision to make? He just didn't press the issue afte she told him , 'no.'

uhh She went in for the kiss first. and when she tried to explain he backed up and left.

And darn well it should have.



I disagree. WHy copy the dialogue about the importance of land from SUperman The MOvie, if the scheme is not about real estate.

To tie it into the Lex of old who had two obbsession, Money and Power. Real Estate was a means to an end but if you pay attention to everything he says you realize he wanted to control tech. Why would he care about keeping the rest of the krystals if all he wanted to do was creat New krypton. he would have tossed the rest into the brink and not even looked back.