2007 NFL Thread

[TheRunningMan]

Are you serious?

That Colt D did smack him around pretty bad on Sunday.

from what I've seen the colts haven't been really smacking around anybody

 

[Immortalfire]

This "Girls Gone Wild"...Jerry Springer society has lost it's mind....

Can't take your kids anywhere these days.


NFL, Giants Stadium in Hot Water for Breast-Baring Ritual Among Fans

Tuesday, November 20, 2007
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans

Giants Stadium management, the National Football League and the New York Jets are in the hot seat over a practice that has become a halftime ritual at Jets games: lewd, drunken male fans shouting at women to expose their breasts.
The men whoop, whistle, chant and stomp for female fans to lift up their shirts and bras, often shouting obscenities in the process. Some women comply with the jeering requests.
When the male spectators don't get their wish, they frequently grow nasty — booing, spitting and throwing beer bottles at the women they're targeting.
The story, which was first reported Tuesday by The New York Times, has caused a public outcry and led the New York Jets to issue a statement about the behavior.
"This type of conduct on one of the stadium spirals is outrageous and unacceptable," said Jets senior vice president of business operations Matt Higgins. "We have spoken with NJSEA [New Jersey Sports and Exposition Authority] officials and demanded that they take steps immediately to ensure that it does not happen again."
The NJSEA, which runs operations at Giants Stadium and The Meadowlands complex where it's located, acknowledged that the bawdy ritual has been a problem and said security staff and New Jersey State Police are doing what they can to stop it.
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"This is not something new to us in terms of dealing with rowdy fan behavior," NJSEA President and CEO George Zoffinger told FOXNews.com. "Anybody who uses vulgar language or is intoxicated or acting in an improper manner is either ejected or arrested."
Zoffinger said that for the 2007 football season, eight women were tossed out of Giants Stadium for indecent exposure, seven of them from Jets games and one from a Giants game. So far, he said, a total of 148 people have been thrown out of Jets games and 35 have been arrested for bad behavior, compared to 174 ejections and 44 arrests at Giants games.
But punishing the males for their derogatory cat-calling isn't easy, he contended, partly because of the large number of raucous fans at games and partly because cheering doesn't necessarily warrant disciplinary action if it isn't accompanied by indecent language, object-throwing or other behavior that is against the law.
"In a crowd of people chanting, it is extremely difficult to single out a person you would eject or arrest," said Zoffinger. "We crack down as much as we can. If a crowd of 100 is chanting, 'Take off your top!', we try to convince them it's not a good idea. We often get ridiculed for trying to do that. But as abhorrent as it is, I'm not sure it's a crime. ... We can only do so much."
One thing they can do, he said, is nab the women who bare their breasts and the men who pressure them by using obscenities.
"We arrest the women because that's a crime," Zoffinger said. "If [the men] say, 'Show me your f— t—, we can arrest them. If there is bad, vulgar language involved, yes, we do eject them, every single time. ... Boorish behavior will not be tolerated."
The breast-baring problem isn't at the top of the list of security concerns at The Meadowlands, which handles 2 million visitors a year — the most of any sports arenas in the United States, according to Zoffinger.
"We run one of the safest stadiums in the country," he said. "As abhorrent as this behavior is, it does not pose a safety and security issue. I don't think the security staff looks the other way. If we see anybody, we immediately take them into custody."
Zoffinger said he's looking into beefing up security at the stadium during Jets games in an effort to control the incidents.
The NFL didn't return calls from FOXNews.com seeking comment. New Jersey State Police, who patrol the Giants Stadium games with the Meadowlands staff, didn't directly address the Jets games ritual, but said troopers deal with legal infractions when they occur.
"We enforce the laws, and that's our responsibility," state police spokeswoman Jeanne Hengemuhle told FOXNews.com. "If we see the law being broken, we act accordingly."
Amateur videos of men haranguing women in the Gate D section of the stadium during Jets games and women responding by exposing their breasts initially appeared on YouTube, but by Tuesday afternoon they'd been removed from the site.
Feminist writer Naomi Wolf lambasted the "Girls Gone Wild" types of stadium shenanigans as "barbaric" and "reprehensible," and said the practice could lead to sexual violence.
"This is the sign of the degradation of public morality in America," the "Beauty Myth" author fumed during a FOX News Channel panel discussion. "I don’t want my daughter to be exposed to this."
The practice is apparently mostly limited to Jets home games at Giants Stadium. Insiders say they aren't aware of it happening at Giants games.
"The NJSEA has assured us that they will address this conduct at all Meadowlands events," said the Jets' Higgins. "We will not allow a small minority of people to ruin the experience for our fans and will be monitoring the situation."
The NFL is no stranger to the problem of public breast-baring, thanks to the very famous and very costly halftime show "wardrobe malfunction" number by Janet Jackson and Justin Timberlake during the 2004 Super Bowl on CBS.
"Football is about one thing — it’s about testosterone," Steve Mason of 710 ESPN Radio told FOX News. "This isn't especially shocking. I don’t think you want to bring the kids to Gate D any time soon."

Let's name off all the Hypesters that will soon be visiting the Meadowlands.

 

[BlackLantern]

That is a long and scary list, Immortal.....

 

[Buford The Sly]

Here are some ways I could see the Pats getting beat that I have envisioned in my head... from least to most likely to happen

5) Jets play a competitive game till late in the third... down 30-13ish... Jets add a field goal late to cut it to 14 early in the fourth. Some riduculous things happen... the Jets get a few breaks... and the Pats turn it over trying to run up the score. Jets force OT on a couple of miracle touchdown throws from Clemens... Nugent nails a 54 yarder to land the upset of the millenium. Mangini and Belicheck get into a brawl at midfield at the end of the game... the Pats go out in the first or second round.

4) I think the Steelers have an outside chance... they could keep it within a score late in the third... if they make some plays down the stretch... it could be a 27-24 ish game for the Black and Gold.

3) San Diego... thats right... the stinking Chargers... they slip into the playoffs at 8-8... they finally decide to turn on the "time to play" switch... after getting by the Jags 31-17 suprisingly with ease, they come into Foxboro with nothing to lose... they hand the Pats a 34-31 defeat.

2) N.E quickly jumps out to a 10-0 lead over Dallas in the Superbowl. In a stunning turn of events... N.E is completely dominated by the Cowboys for the rest of that half as it is 31-10 Dallas... Romo has 4 TD tosses in the first half and the Pats offense looks lost... but Brady and the offense find their groove in the second half making it 31-24 late in the third. THe Pats take the lead 38-34 with under two minutes in the fourth... Randall Gay gets flagged for interference inside the fifteen... 00:7 seconds left... no timeouts... fourth and goal at the 8... Romo scrambles for it... gets hit... laterals it back to Crayton who takes it to the pylon. 40-38 the final.

1) AFC Championship: Colts 35 Pats 34

So obviously you guys can see there is about a 95 % chance the Pats go 19-0.

You forgot to include someone knocking the crap out of Brady and he's out for the rest of the year...

 

[BlackLantern]

The Giants have Minnesota, Chicago, Philly, Washington, Buffalo, and the Pats....the Giants can go 5-1 if everything works out right

 

[Immortalfire]

That is a long and scary list, Immortal.....

Yah it is, now that I think about it. *shudder*

 

[lixdexia]

i only caught about 30 sec of sports center today, why are the packers being investigated? i know it was a headline, but i missed the story...

 

[Matt]

Let's name off all the Hypesters that will soon be visiting the Meadowlands.

Morg is already there

 

[rdh007]

The Giants have Minnesota, Chicago, Philly, Washington, Buffalo, and the Pats....the Giants can go 5-1 if everything works out right

Or 1-5. Skol Vikings!

 

[bullets]

im in love with each and every one of them

 

[BlackLantern]

The only challenges in those last games are Washington and the Pats.....

 

[Immortalfire]

Gotta love the ladies of the game :heart:

 

[bored]

No more Priest Holmes . I know, I know, he should have just gone ahead and done it two years ago, but it was nice to see him back for a little while. It was that bit of nostalgia to a time when the Chiefs had the best offense in the NFL, not the Pop Warner squad they've been fielding this season.

 

[Jerry!]

I liked Tom Brady's answer to a question he was asked the other day in an interview about how the Patriots are "running up the score" and he finally stopped with the cliche answers and gave the truth:

"We are trying to kill people out there. We are trying to blow them out, we don't want to be winning 35-7 and then back off and see that it becomes 35-21 all of a sudden. We want to build momentum each game and keep it."

 

[omid17]

I liked Tom Brady's answer to a question he was asked the other day in an interview about how the Patriots are "running up the score" and he finally stopped with the cliche answers and gave the truth:

"We are trying to kill people out there. We are trying to blow them out, we don't want to be winning 35-7 and then back off and see that it becomes 35-21 all of a sudden. We want to build momentum each game and keep it."

 

[BlackLantern]

I liked Tom Brady's answer to a question he was asked the other day in an interview about how the Patriots are "running up the score" and he finally stopped with the cliche answers and gave the truth:

"We are trying to kill people out there. We are trying to blow them out, we don't want to be winning 35-7 and then back off and see that it becomes 35-21 all of a sudden. We want to build momentum each game and keep it."

its not a bad thing........he wants to win.....you dont like the Pats scoring 50 on you, have the defense do something about it

 

[Jerry!]

I'm just glad to see some emotion out of it really. I get tired of all the friendly answers to everything.

 

[omid17]

its not a bad thing........he wants to win.....you dont like the Pats scoring 50 on you, have the defense do something about it

agreed

 

[Spider-Fan]

I liked Tom Brady's answer to a question he was asked the other day in an interview about how the Patriots are "running up the score" and he finally stopped with the cliche answers and gave the truth:

"We are trying to kill people out there. We are trying to blow them out, we don't want to be winning 35-7 and then back off and see that it becomes 35-21 all of a sudden. We want to build momentum each game and keep it."

I hate all these people criticising the Pats for scoring. This is the NFL, and if you don't like it, HIT SOMEONE! Stop your whining. THERE IS NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL!!!

Brady's answer was right. This team is out to destroy people, it is obvious. They are not gonna give teams mercy, and will bring it every Sunday. I like seeing killer instinct like this in football players. This sport thrives on that instinct, and all the whiners are just wrong.

 

[Memphis Slim]

Bob Kravitz
Have a bite of perspective, and say thanks


The NFL Network guy had a question for Robert Mathis. It went something like this:
"You guys have been described as 'reeling' the last three weeks by some national media outlets. Does it mean anything to be on national TV and have a chance to gain back respect?''
Mathis, the Indianapolis Colts defensive end who has become more and more of a team spokesman in recent weeks, gave him a wide-eyed look of disapproval, the kind he usually saves for my interrogatories.
"I didn't know we lost any respect,'' Mathis replied.
Exactly.
Who says the Colts are in a slump?
Of course, by New England Patriots standards, sure, they're in a major swoon, circling the drain, having the last rites administered by a local cleric. But by anybody else's standards, two straight losses and a too-close-for-comfort home victory against Kansas City hardly presages the decline and fall of the Colts Empire.
So they lost to New England. Everybody loses to New England. The fact is, they're the only opponent who has come close. By the time these two meet again in the playoffs, the Colts might be the healthy ones and the Patriots might be dealing with the kinds of injuries Indy has battled this midseason, and then the postseason calculus changes completely.
So they lost in San Diego. If I'm a Colts fan, I'm feeling better about my team after that loss than I would be if I were a San Diego fan after watching his team win. Six interceptions, every conceivable mistake, and all Adam Vinatieri had to do is kick a 29-yard field goal and all is forgiven.
So they played the sub-.500 Chiefs right down to the last second. Which isn't awe-inspiring, but it's a heck of a lot better than losing to the Chiefs in the final seconds.
The way I see it, this team is simply trying to survive, and doing a pretty darned good job of it. Nobody wants to use injuries as an excuse, nobody wants to hear about injuries, but sometimes they are the story.
This happens when you lose your future Hall of Fame wide receiver, Marvin Harrison.
This happens when you lose your stud rookie left tackle, Tony Ugoh, and replace him with Charlie Johnson, who's just not good enough week in and week out.
This happens when rookie receiver Anthony Gonzalez and right tackle Ryan Diem miss time, and Aaron Moorehead hurts his back, and Dallas Clark gets a concussion, and innumerable other players (including maybe Vinatieri) are playing at less than full strength. This happens when Rob Morris is gone for the year, and Tyjuan Hagler and others who normally would help on special teams are forced to be every-down guys.
Most of those players will be healthy down the stretch.
Be thankful.
Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. Maybe I'm going easy on the home team now that they've got that Super Bowl ring. Maybe winning the whole thing changed the way I view this franchise, or at least forces me to view it through a softer lens.
Maybe.
Or maybe I'm letting common sense have its day.
They have been decimated by injuries.
And this schedule, well, that's been remarkably unkind as well.
Ordinarily, coach Tony Dungy breaks the 16-game regular season into four segments, but this six-gamer has stood on its own evil merits.
The Colts played at Jacksonville. They then traveled to Carolina on a short week and beat a team coming off a bye. They played New England in a physically and emotionally taxing game. They had to recover from that, then fly across the country to play in San Diego. They got a momentary break with Kansas City at the RCA Dome, but are now looking at another short week in preparing for tonight's turkey of a mismatch, Indy vs. Atlanta.
If they can emerge from this stretch at 4-2, and that's highly likely given the disheveled state of the Falcons, they'll accept it, enjoy the 10 days off, spend extra time in bed and in the whirlpool and then prepare for the home stretch.
Be thankful.
If Indy's top players get healthy within the next month, the Colts will be exactly where they need to be and want to be heading into the playoffs. They will win the AFC South, despite Jacksonville's uncharacteristically consistent play. They will get the second seed in the playoffs. They will get a first-round bye and a second-round home game.
This might sound crazy one year after a Super Bowl season, but it seems that these Colts, more reliant than ever on defense and the running game, are better suited for the playoffs than ever before. If I had to pick a winner between the Pats and Colts in Foxborough, Mass., right now, I'd still take the Pats. But the way the Colts have been constructed, the way they've taken on the Patriots' old personality, I'd like their chances in Foxborough more than in any previous playoff appearance.
So . . .
Be thankful.
And save me some turkey for tomorrow, OK?

 

[Silver Knight]

I liked Tom Brady's answer to a question he was asked the other day in an interview about how the Patriots are "running up the score" and he finally stopped with the cliche answers and gave the truth:

"We are trying to kill people out there. We are trying to blow them out, we don't want to be winning 35-7 and then back off and see that it becomes 35-21 all of a sudden. We want to build momentum each game and keep it."

Brady is a champion.

Nuff said.

 

[TheRunningMan]

Bob Kravitz
Have a bite of perspective, and say thanks


The NFL Network guy had a question for Robert Mathis. It went something like this:
"You guys have been described as 'reeling' the last three weeks by some national media outlets. Does it mean anything to be on national TV and have a chance to gain back respect?''
Mathis, the Indianapolis Colts defensive end who has become more and more of a team spokesman in recent weeks, gave him a wide-eyed look of disapproval, the kind he usually saves for my interrogatories.
"I didn't know we lost any respect,'' Mathis replied.
Exactly.
Who says the Colts are in a slump?
Of course, by New England Patriots standards, sure, they're in a major swoon, circling the drain, having the last rites administered by a local cleric. But by anybody else's standards, two straight losses and a too-close-for-comfort home victory against Kansas City hardly presages the decline and fall of the Colts Empire.
So they lost to New England. Everybody loses to New England. The fact is, they're the only opponent who has come close. By the time these two meet again in the playoffs, the Colts might be the healthy ones and the Patriots might be dealing with the kinds of injuries Indy has battled this midseason, and then the postseason calculus changes completely.
So they lost in San Diego. If I'm a Colts fan, I'm feeling better about my team after that loss than I would be if I were a San Diego fan after watching his team win. Six interceptions, every conceivable mistake, and all Adam Vinatieri had to do is kick a 29-yard field goal and all is forgiven.
So they played the sub-.500 Chiefs right down to the last second. Which isn't awe-inspiring, but it's a heck of a lot better than losing to the Chiefs in the final seconds.
The way I see it, this team is simply trying to survive, and doing a pretty darned good job of it. Nobody wants to use injuries as an excuse, nobody wants to hear about injuries, but sometimes they are the story.
This happens when you lose your future Hall of Fame wide receiver, Marvin Harrison.
This happens when you lose your stud rookie left tackle, Tony Ugoh, and replace him with Charlie Johnson, who's just not good enough week in and week out.
This happens when rookie receiver Anthony Gonzalez and right tackle Ryan Diem miss time, and Aaron Moorehead hurts his back, and Dallas Clark gets a concussion, and innumerable other players (including maybe Vinatieri) are playing at less than full strength. This happens when Rob Morris is gone for the year, and Tyjuan Hagler and others who normally would help on special teams are forced to be every-down guys.
Most of those players will be healthy down the stretch.
Be thankful.
Maybe I'm getting soft in my old age. Maybe I'm going easy on the home team now that they've got that Super Bowl ring. Maybe winning the whole thing changed the way I view this franchise, or at least forces me to view it through a softer lens.
Maybe.
Or maybe I'm letting common sense have its day.
They have been decimated by injuries.
And this schedule, well, that's been remarkably unkind as well.
Ordinarily, coach Tony Dungy breaks the 16-game regular season into four segments, but this six-gamer has stood on its own evil merits.
The Colts played at Jacksonville. They then traveled to Carolina on a short week and beat a team coming off a bye. They played New England in a physically and emotionally taxing game. They had to recover from that, then fly across the country to play in San Diego. They got a momentary break with Kansas City at the RCA Dome, but are now looking at another short week in preparing for tonight's turkey of a mismatch, Indy vs. Atlanta.
If they can emerge from this stretch at 4-2, and that's highly likely given the disheveled state of the Falcons, they'll accept it, enjoy the 10 days off, spend extra time in bed and in the whirlpool and then prepare for the home stretch.
Be thankful.
If Indy's top players get healthy within the next month, the Colts will be exactly where they need to be and want to be heading into the playoffs. They will win the AFC South, despite Jacksonville's uncharacteristically consistent play. They will get the second seed in the playoffs. They will get a first-round bye and a second-round home game.
This might sound crazy one year after a Super Bowl season, but it seems that these Colts, more reliant than ever on defense and the running game, are better suited for the playoffs than ever before. If I had to pick a winner between the Pats and Colts in Foxborough, Mass., right now, I'd still take the Pats. But the way the Colts have been constructed, the way they've taken on the Patriots' old personality, I'd like their chances in Foxborough more than in any previous playoff appearance.
So . . .
Be thankful.
And save me some turkey for tomorrow, OK?

stop making excuses

 

[Matt]

I hate all these people criticising the Pats for scoring. This is the NFL, and if you don't like it, HIT SOMEONE! Stop your whining. THERE IS NO CRYING IN FOOTBALL!!!

Like Brady said to Marino on NFL Today, "If a defense shuts us out, I would sound ridiculous to say 'comeon guys, let us score one.'"

 

[Immortalfire]

Falcons are gonna get absolutely slaughtered today, sigh.

 

[Silver Knight]

Falcons are gonna get absolutely slaughtered today, sigh.

Yes, yes they will..