2012: A Monster Year? (box office predictions) - Part 3

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Anyway, what's people predictions to Magic Mike, Ted, and, the real enemy, Madea?

 

[terry78]

I suspect Madea will hit number two, Ted at three or four. Brave still at one.

 

[Marvin]

I think Tatum can dance his ass off, the dudes amazing. I'm watching the movie for that. Unfortunately I have to sit through the stripper crap.

 

[terry78]

That Chris Pine/Elizabeth Banks movie is coming out this Friday also, I almost forgot. Robert Kurtzman's directing debut.

 

[TheOnlyOmega]

I'd figure Ted would take the top spot. Tons of people I know are talking about it.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

I don't know, Brave got an A cinemascore meaning the word of mouth was pretty good.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Also, I believe that Tyler Perry's OW has been actually decreasing, so I wouldn't be surprised if Madea finishes 4th next weekend.

 

[C. Lee]

Get this thread back on track.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

Finally.

Anyway, I say that Brave will most likely win the weekend again.

Ted will be in second

Magic Mike in 3rd

Madea in 4th

However, Magic Mike could finish second if more adult women come out than I originally thought.

 

[Marvin]

this was supposed to be GI joe's weekend.

 

[terry78]

Yeah, there is nothing coming out this weekend family oriented, so Brave may do it again. G.I. Joe probably would have gotten top spot had it still been here. But come next Tuesday, Spidey may put in some work.

 

[Mrs. Sawyer]

To make an old Modern Warfare 2 reference, it's like the others are fighting against each other and then comes Spider-man, the chopper gunner, taking everyone out.

 

[EML420]

If Magic Mike manages to make good money then I will belive that Tatum is here for the long run.

 

[Shifty]

Anyway, what's people predictions to Magic Mike, Ted, and, the real enemy, Madea?

1. Brave
2. Madea's Witness Protection
3. Ted
4. Magic Mike
5. People Like Us
6. Madagascar 3
7. Snow White
8. Prometheus
9. Abraham Lincoln: Vampire Hunter
10. Rock of Ages

 

[mclay18]

If Magic Mike manages to make good money then I will belive that Tatum is here for the long run.

MM was allegedly made for $5M (without a healthy P&A cost of probably $30M), so it's going to break even no matter how much it makes.

 

[MadVillainy]

I think Ted will be the top new release whether it's one or two, but it'll do the best out of the new releases. It has a fair amount of hype from what I've seen.

After Ted I think maybe Magic Mike. I know a lot of women will want to see this and idk about Madea because I havent heard anything about it. I didnt even know it was coming out till now.

And I know Tyler Perry's movies have a built in audience but I think he's gonna lose a lot of that audience because of the other ones. A lot of dudes and teens to Ted and a lot of women will go to Magic Mike. Also, Tyler Perry's last movie didnt do that as well as his last few movies OW. The mistake is (making the damn movie in the first place) releasing it in the summer. They shouldve put it in one of the "off" months

 

[TheNextNolan22]

1-Brave
2-Ted
3-Madagascar: Europe's Most Wanted
4-Madea's Witness Protection
5-Magic Mike

 

[rayc1971]

brave stays number 1 until spidey

 

[DACrowe]

I personally think Millar's writing one of his own characters and calling it batman. Outside of Year one that is.

An appropriate example would be when watching Sherlock, there are stories/episode when Moriarty just out maneuver's him entirely. It's really appreciated because of everything they set Sherlock out to be from the outset. What Nolan would have us endure is a Sherlock that struggles with every conclusion then being outmaneuvered by some mystery man. Yes this makes him relatable/believable all that good stuff and perhaps that's better but for me personally I just don't appreciate the situation the way I would/do in the former scenario.

I see more Batman in this new Bane character than I ever will in what Bale's doing. I'd personally love to see what would have happened if Band and Joker crossed paths.

Obstacles are great, self doubt is awesome, but it's worth nothing when you don't have to whom these things are new and unnatural occurrences.

Nobody has outmanuevered Batman save for Joker who he still defeated. I think what you don't like is due to the storytelling needs of movies (blockbuster movies at that), that the stakes are always high and Batman is always being pushed to his limit. The reason is because you can't have episodic storytelling with smaller stakes or just pure-character chapters/episodes/issues. While I don't think they're very good, it's the same reason that the Sherlock Holmes movies with RDJ have him always being pushed to his limit. Nolan tries to show Batman in a "business as usual" status quo (taking out mobsters in BB, the first 45 minutes of TDK), but if you don't feel like the story is pushing him to his limit, then the movie feels kind of pointless for an action-drama narrative. You end up with something not quite fulfilling like Iron Man 2 or Thor in that case.

 

[DACrowe]

That's just rumor created by fans, never once were we even hinted towards that.

Well we know that in the trailer Curt Connors says, "Do you really think what happened to you Peter was an accident?" and that scene is not in the final film. Plus people who saw it in the early screenings reported on that. Sounds like a recut to me.

 

[Marvin]

Nobody has outmanuevered Batman save for Joker who he still defeated. I think what you don't like is due to the storytelling needs of movies (blockbuster movies at that), that the stakes are always high and Batman is always being pushed to his limit. The reason is because you can't have episodic storytelling with smaller stakes or just pure-character chapters/episodes/issues. While I don't think they're very good, it's the same reason that the Sherlock Holmes movies with RDJ have him always being pushed to his limit. Nolan tries to show Batman in a "business as usual" status quo (taking out mobsters in BB, the first 45 minutes of TDK), but if you don't feel like the story is pushing him to his limit, then the movie feels kind of pointless for an action-drama narrative. You end up with something not quite fulfilling like Iron Man 2 or Thor in that case.

For starters, I was referring to the brilliant bbc Sherlock, the RDJ one is riddled with issues.

I see what your getting at as far as structure however I'm more referring to the base prowess of the character. Sure he can somewhat dance his way though thugs but so can most of these heroes today. It's like Spiderman in the car with the crook. I'm talking about showing the character to be an amazing mind the likes of which the audience can't help but revere then showing him completely outmaneuvered by the joker. Bane for instance is being presented in such a way. The audience has no choice but to respect this mans fierce prowess. I can only imagine a bat film in which we felt the same way about Bruce Wayne as we do Bane in this instant(it's what happens in the books). Instead we've been given the simple man in suit angle, which like I said is fine for what it's trying to do.

What made Knightfall what is was and Bane the man he is, was that it happened to "Batman." That entire thing very much hinges on how proficient batman is in that incarnation. Admittedly I never read the book but I imagine he was a great deal more uber than what we'll be getting come july.

Iron man is amazing because Tony built the impossible in a cave with a box of scraps. Sure they showed a man and not a god struggle with an impossible situation but they never lost sight of telecasting that he's very much a freakishly capable man and that's the true mechanism to what makes him special.

 

[Marvin]

I wonder which animated film will end up on top this summer, my brother just told me Ice Age is nothing to mess with. But Mad has had a strong showing this year.

Brave I'm afraid will likely end up third, but is a safe bet for the Oscar. The academy loves musicals, especially this year with Les Mis winning best picture.

 

[Liam_H]

WW it'll most likely be Ice Age 4 if previous installments are any indication.

 

[DACrowe]

For starters, I was referring to the brilliant bbc Sherlock, the RDJ one is riddled with issues.

I gathered as such. I too prefer BBC's Sherlock (though I much prefer Hollywood's Moriarty! ). My point is that you can't do episodic storytelling like that show because it's a movie and not a TV series. Hence, the SH films always show Holmes being pushed to his limit.

I see what your getting at as far as structure however I'm more referring to the base prowess of the character. Sure he can somewhat dance his way though thugs but so can most of these heroes today. It's like Spiderman in the car with the crook. I'm talking about showing the character to be an amazing mind the likes of which the audience can't help but revere then showing him completely outmaneuvered by the joker. Bane for instance is being presented in such a way. The audience has no choice but to respect this mans fierce prowess. I can only imagine a bat film in which we felt the same way about Bruce Wayne as we do Bane in this instant(it's what happens in the books). Instead we've been given the simple man in suit angle, which like I said is fine for what it's trying to do.

But we see him take out the head of the most powerful mafia family on his first day on the job, after bungling his second a bit, he comes back and takes out his first supervillain (Scarecrow) rather easily, shutting down the drug operation he has going at Arkham and evades the cops, before Ra's shows up and puts Batman in his first truly dire situation as a vigilante. In TDK, we see him take out Scarecrow again and also travel all the way to Hong Kong and plan a flawlessly executed extraction operation where he kidnaps the mafia's banker and brings him back to the GCPD which along with Dent's work would have effectively destroyed organized crime in Gotham City for years if Joker hadn't gotten involved. Even so, he manages to capture Joker despite the high stakes with a plan he hatched with Jim Gordon. If it were not for corrupt cops in Gordon's unit, the Joker would never have been in the position to escape and Rachel wouldn't have died nor Harvey become Two-Face.

All in all, we see a very effective hero who works on a grander, more strategic scale than just taking out muggers and supervillains one at a time like Spidey or any of the heroes in the MCU.

What you seem to want is the "uberman" who is infallible like Bane appears to be. But that kind of writing is repetitious and boring to me. My favorite Batman stories when written well by the likes of Dini, Loeb, Moore, some of Miller and even yes, Nolan, avoids that for the better.

What made Knightfall what is was and Bane the man he is, was that it happened to "Batman." That entire thing very much hinges on how proficient batman is in that incarnation. Admittedly I never read the book but I imagine he was a great deal more uber than what we'll be getting come july.

Trust me when I say it doesn't. Batman comes off as kind of an idiot in that story. He knows Bane is responsible and doing this as an endurance test to wear him down (he also conveniently has a cold as this is going on) and instead of taking out Bane, he goes after one supervillain every night one at a time, even though he knows he's being watched and that Bane is waiting until he's at his weakest to strike. And Batman's awareness of this situation fluctuates from issue to issues as they're in different books and written by different people. Perhaps it's having distance from the book as I only tried reading it this year and couldn't finish it, but it is not very well put together. His return in Knightsend is much better. Just my opinion.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Bravo, DACrowe. :

I find it a bit oxymoronic that those fans who compare DC's heroes to Marvel's criticize them for being too 'God-like' (and preach Marvel's as more human and relatable), yet when arriving to Nolan's Batman, it's the complete opposite. Fans want the 'ultimate' Bruce Wayne who's a super genius that's able to go several rounds with a villain like Darkseid.

Gimme a break.

Batman's rogue gallery is filled highly-intelligent and/or physically imposing villains. Explain to me how Bruce is NOT going to struggle against a villain like The Joker or Bane. Nolan's Batman is always tested and brought to the brink of defeat and destruction, but he manages to outsmart and outmaneuver his opponents at the end of the day. And thats what's exciting about the character. He's not superhuman.

Anyway, I got Ice Age 4 making 600 million WW this time around (I don't see it making +800 million). I honestly believe 'fatigue' is going to finally set in for this franchise.