6.01 Zod - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[user123456789]

So watching the girl that you've grown up loving all your life die as a consequence of something you told her about yourself, is not reason enough to not give her that information again.

I think it is and he is never going to deliberately set out and put that burden on anyone. The risk is too great.

that argument would be 100% valid

but ahem, chloe and his mom are still alive and well.

thats what pisses me off the writers can say lana will be put in danger if she finds out but wtf chloe and martha have known for a long time too.

 

[avidreader]

that argument would be 100% valid

but ahem, chloe and his mom are still alive and well.

thats what pisses me off the writers can say lana will be put in danger if she finds out but wtf chloe and martha have known for a long time too.[/quote]

Yes, but Clark himself didnt tell his parents and with Chloe she knew all about his powers he just filled in the blanks, as he did with Pete.

That's the difference.

 

[Serene]

that argument would be 100% valid

but ahem, chloe and his mom are still alive and well.

thats what pisses me off the writers can say lana will be put in danger if she finds out but wtf chloe and martha have known for a long time too.

I understand what you mean, boyscout. But as avid said, Chloe and Martha knowing the secret was never something that Clark "chose" to have happen.

However, I do agree that the argument of Lana not knowing because it puts her in danger is weak at best given the current circumstances. She's in very grave danger now, not only because she's turned to Lex, but now he's become that next level of dangerous as Lexzod. Not knowing has put her in more harm's way than she's ever been before - except the part where she died. But assuming that keeping her in the dark will keep her completely safe just doesn't apply anymore.

 

[user123456789]

thats what pisses me off the writers can say lana will be put in danger if she finds out but wtf chloe and martha have known for a long time too.

Yes, but Clark himself didnt tell his parents and with Chloe she knew all about his powers he just filled in the blanks, as he did with Pete.

That's the difference.

but the question now is how big of a difference does that really make, in terms of the writers point of view? and that also means the writers can pass off lana being a dumb chick while chloe is able to put 2 and 2 together?

but serene u have a good point Clark didn't choose for them to know. and lana's in deep sh1t with lex rofl.

 

[The Caped Knight]

I want Clark & Lana's relationship to be like how it is in Superman:TAS

i love how they went with it.

Yes, The Big Brother, little sister relationship.

 

[The Caped Knight]

he did walk the walk in episode 100..

you know, the episode with big car crash, and father's death, because he DID walk the walk..

Yeah for two freaking episodes .

Vengeance & Cyborg after that it was back to Dumbass Clark The Jackass Kent . In no way is this Clark even as a teenager, Is nothing like The Iconic Clark Kent [not as a teenager, not as The MATURE ADULT. And GOD NO, He's nothing like his Future self SUPERMAN .]

 

[triplet]

but the question now is how big of a difference does that really make, in terms of the writers point of view? and that also means the writers can pass off lana being a dumb chick while chloe is able to put 2 and 2 together?

Now, you're being disengenous on that... Chloe DIDN'T ever put two and two together either.

She referred to her suspicions in Arrival but she didn't really know that Clark was different until Alicia showed her how really different he was.

but serene u have a good point Clark didn't choose for them to know. and lana's in deep sh1t with lex rofl.

That's the difference. Clark had never told anyone until Reckoning and Lana and then she dies. His fears for her turned out to be justified so when he had his do-over, he didn't choose to tell her a second time.

He's so afraid of her dying because of him that he can't see that she is in more danger now not knowing than she would be if she knew.

It's biting him in the ass big time.

 

[user123456789]

That's the difference. Clark had never told anyone until Reckoning and Lana and then she dies. His fears for her turned out to be justified so when he had his do-over, he didn't choose to tell her a second time.

He's so afraid of her dying because of him that he can't see that she is in more danger now not knowing than she would be if she knew.

It's biting him in the ass big time.

Does HOW someone find out really matter in the long run?

Either way he/she will KNOW clark's secret.

Chloe knows, she is still alive.

Lana can know and she can still be alive.

u can't honestly say the writers didn't take the easy way out with that car crash crap.

 

[avidreader]

That's the difference. Clark had never told anyone until Reckoning and Lana and then she dies. His fears for her turned out to be justified so when he had his do-over, he didn't choose to tell her a second time.

He's so afraid of her dying because of him that he can't see that she is in more danger now not knowing than she would be if she knew.

It's biting him in the ass big time.

Poor guy cant win with either option.

 

[KalKai]

Lana can know? She's with LexZod now, YES IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO TELL HER, LOL.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Poor guy cant win with either option.

His Day will come, When he's SUPERMAN. And Lois & Him are a Super couple . As it was ment to be .

 

[user123456789]

Lana can know? She's with LexZod now, YES IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO TELL HER, LOL.

martha knows she's in a plane headed for doom
chloe knows and she was gettin attacked in the street

diff situation for diff ppl

lana is just unlucky

 

[Serene]

Lana can know? She's with LexZod now, YES IT'S THE PERFECT TIME TO TELL HER, LOL.

You're implying that she would betray Clark to an evil entity... which she wouldn't. Don't forget, she's with Lex because he's presented himself to her as a *good* man who is willing to share everything about himself with her. If she knew to what extent of a lying rat-bastard he still is, she wouldn't be with him. She'll find out one day, I'm sure.

She certainly has no clue about Lex now being ZOD. Of course, it would have been too conveeenient for someone to have told her that was a possibility *cough* but best to keep that from her so she ends up making out with the evilest guy in the universe.

I can't wait to see how she finds out that it's actually Zod in there, and what she does about it. I think it will only make her more sympathetic to Lex and ultimately closer to him when he returns. After all. Lana is experienced in having her body possessed by an evil entity. Maybe Isobel should come back to play with Zod?

 

[user123456789]

I can't wait to see how she finds out that it's actually Zod in there, and what she does about it. I think it will only make her more sympathetic to Lex and ultimately closer to him when he returns. After all. Lana is experienced in having her body possessed by an evil entity. Maybe Isobel should come back to play with Zod?

wow i never thought about it that way

do u want it to happen like that? i don't

 

[avidreader]

You're implying that she would betray Clark to an evil entity... which she wouldn't. Don't forget, she's with Lex because he's presented himself to her as a *good* man who is willing to share everything about himself with her. If she knew to what extent of a lying rat-bastard he still is, she wouldn't be with him. She'll find out one day, I'm sure.

That Lex B. just makes me want to claw his eyes out from my screen.

She certainly has no clue about Lex now being ZOD. Of course, it would have been too conveeenient for someone to have told her that was a possibility *cough* but best to keep that from her so she ends up making out with the evilest guy in the universe.

Well it would have been too convenient for the story. Clark did warn her that Lex was not quite himself. However, he's really going to have to come up with a strategy on how to tell people stuff without actually divulging everything.

I can't wait to see how she finds out that it's actually Zod in there, and what she does about it. I think it will only make her more sympathetic to Lex and ultimately closer to him when he returns. After all. Lana is experienced in having her body possessed by an evil entity. Maybe Isobel should come back to play with Zod?

I can cope with that for one or two episodes, but I think come episode 3 or 4 its going to have to start playing in the reverse of last season, where she sees just how trustworthy Clark is as opposed to Lex.

I dont think I can bear it for much longer than that.

 

[avidreader]

His Day will come, When he's SUPERMAN. And Lois & Him are a Super couple . As it was ment to be .

That's all well and good for the future, but I want to see what's happening now. Now is what I'm interested in and why I'm watching.

 

[The Caped Knight]

That's all well and good for the future, but I want to see what's happening now. Now is what I'm interested in and why I'm watching.

You'll be waiting till DOOMSDAY for that. It's never going to happen . As far as I can tell The TPTB are showing us why Clark's love life is the way it is. Why he' doesn't end up with lana or any other woman but Lois Lane in The Future .

Also, He doesn't have time any more to puruse a love life with his DESTINY on the line . This Season He got to get up off of his ass in Smallville, And REALLY begin his Journey to becomining SUPERMAN .

 

[AgentPat]

...Of course, it would have been too conveeenient for someone to have told her that was a possibility *cough* but best to keep that from her so she ends up making out with the evilest guy in the universe.

Seeing it from Clark's POV, he probably figured that anything he could have told her would have inevitably led to him having to spill his own secret. And given Clark's MO, he would have thought that if he could get to Lex in time, he could prevent Zod from escaping the PZ. As far as he knew, Zod was still tucked away, and Braniac hadn't released the virus yet. At that moment, the only thing "amiss" was that Lex had superpowers, and Clark could handle that.

Lana jumped to conclusions about Clark's motivations. She didn't ask about his conversation with Chloe - she only heard a piece of it and just assumed the worst. Even in Oracle, Lana accused Clark of breaking into her dorm room. Doesn't Lana still live with Chloe, who she KNOWS Clark pals around with? Maybe he was there with Chloe and she was in the bathroom or something. But nooooooo! She's pissed off with Clark right from the git go.

I think she needs to find out about Lex/Zod on her own. I don't want anybody to tell her. Clark tried, but got metaphorically slapped in the face with an "I don't know how I could have ever loved you." She's treated him like a pariah for the last few episodes even *after* he told her he just wanted her to be happy. It's tragic and he doesn't deserve the vitriol she's levied upon him. Her hatred of him is at pandemic levels now. I hope they resolve their problems and become friends again, but she needs a harsh reminder that Clark is everything she said he was in episodes like Hidden. She needs to be slapped back (metaphorically speaking) so that she never doubts Clark again.

 

[Serene]

wow i never thought about it that way

do u want it to happen like that? i don't

She's with Lex now, therefore she has a lot of concern for his welfare. She was freaked when she heard Clark saying he was going to kill Lex (for more than one reason, I would hope), and she begged Clark to tell her what was happening with Lex. So, it makes sense that she's going to be a bit distressed to find out that according to Zod, Lex is "dead." Of course, he's not really dead, so when he comes back, I would expect her to be very relieved.

I've never wanted her to "choose" Lex over Clark, but since Clark made himself no longer an option, I can at least understand why she'd turn to Lex.. particularly with how well he's playing her. In the context of her being "with" him now, I'd have to say yes, I'm okay with her being sympathetic and concerned for him. Why wouldn't she be?

 

[user123456789]

i think we are hating too much on the characters

when instead we should hate the writers and tptb

how many times have we heard them say "oh we don't know what will happen at the end of the season, just a general idea"





seriously i bet if we asked tptb and the writers "what did ya'll write about for the majority of season 1 lana vs season 5 lana" they couldn't give u a straight answer without re-watching all the episodes.

 

[KalKai]

i think we are hating too much on the characters

when instead we should hate the writers and tptb

how many times have we heard them say "oh we don't know what will happen at the end of the season, just a general idea"

Never?

They always know how the season is gonna end, at least Gough & Miller do, that's what they always say.

 

[user123456789]

Never?

They always know how the season is gonna end, at least Gough & Miller do, that's what they always say.

i swear i read / heard / saw it before!!!!!

it was either a behind the scenes interview or a dvd extra... grrrrrr

 

[KalKai]

Take Season 4 as an example, Episode 1 Crusade - Start searching for the stones, Episode 22 Commencement - Unite the stones and form the FOS, they obviously knew that from the beginning.

 

[The Caped Knight]

Take Season 4 as an example, Episode 1 Crusade - Start searching for the stones, Episode 22 Commencement - Unite the stones and form the FOS, they obviously knew that from the beginning.

You know the plot for the Three Kryptonian crystals hidden around the world storyline was great, It could've been an awesome storyline

Until The created the BS Damn Witch storyline and trying to connect lana to one of the crystals .

 

[Serene]

Seeing it from Clark's POV, he probably figured that anything he could have told her would have inevitably led to him having to spill his own secret.

Possibly that was his train of thought, but I think it's very short-sighted and I expect more of him than that. He could have warned her without spilling all the beans. But of course, that wouldn't have served the storyline.

Lana jumped to conclusions about Clark's motivations. She didn't ask about his conversation with Chloe - she only heard a piece of it and just assumed the worst. *snipping and pasting*
I think she needs to find out about Lex/Zod on her own. I don't want anybody to tell her. Clark tried, but got metaphorically slapped in the face with an "I don't know how I could have ever loved you."

We really see that scene so totally differently. The way I saw it, it was CRISIS time and she (yet again) begged him directly to tell her wtf was going on... and he stood there, numb as usual. That's when she flipped and said what she said. Not that I'm happy she said it, but I don't buy that she prevented him from telling her anything there.. he clammed up.. again, and simply was not going to explain *anything*.

It frustrates me because I expect more of him by now. But again, I see how that serves the greater storyline.

Even in Oracle, Lana accused Clark of breaking into her dorm room. Doesn't Lana still live with Chloe, who she KNOWS Clark pals around with? Maybe he was there with Chloe and she was in the bathroom or something. But nooooooo! She's pissed off with Clark right from the git go.

He was rifling through her things! LOL.. Should she really have checked the bathroom first, before getting angry at him? I don't recall Lois suggesting they check the bathroom for Chloe.

She's treated him like a pariah for the last few episodes even *after* he told her he just wanted her to be happy.

Yeah..well he also told her prior to that that he would ALWAYS love her.. then he proceeded to break her heart and tell her that, oops.. he was mistaken, he actually DOESN'T love her anymore. Mixed messages are becoming his trademark.

It's tragic and he doesn't deserve the vitriol she's levied upon him.

He doesn't.. and yet he does. IMHO

but she needs a harsh reminder that Clark is everything she said he was in episodes like Hidden. She needs to be slapped back (metaphorically speaking) so that she never doubts Clark again.

I think you are saying that she should have continued to have blind faith in him, regardless of anything and everything that's happened. And I say that I think she tried that and had it thrown back into her face. I want her to have that reminder about the kind of man Clark really is too.. I want it more than anything, but I think there have been mistakes made on both sides of the fence when it comes to their relationship.