The Dark Knight Rises 6 Minutes of TDKR footage attached to Mission Impossible 4! - - - Part 12

[humbdrumb]

How many in that theater actually care about movies? None.

I do. And from a film editing stand point, it sucks. It's an awful edit. Poorly timed, and jarring.

Normal person won't ever notice it. They don't care.

This is why taking a film production class in college should be a requirement. Once you know the "rules" of editing, a bad edit becomes very noticeable. I guess people prefer to look at movies as pure entertainment, not pieces of art that need to be critiqued and studied. I guess I'm gay like that.

 

[The_Raganork]

How many in that theater actually care about movies? None.

I do. And from a film editing stand point, it sucks. It's an awful edit. Poorly timed, and jarring.

Normal person won't ever notice it. They don't care.

Oh I'm sorry. You know every last person who was in my theater in NYC?

It worked for the scene and the general audience was not jarred by it.

A horrible editing job would be one where people were actually confused by what happened.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

It showcases that people are curious about Bane and his myth. His reputation is growing. And it also showcases that Bane is intelligent (swapping contexts to apply to the CIA agent instead of him) and badass (telling the CIA guy he's about to get owned).

I completely misunderstood the point of the exchange, and after watching it again, it makes a lot more sense.

 

[The_Raganork]

This is why taking a film production class in college should be a requirement. Once you know the "rules" of editing, a bad edit becomes very noticeable. I guess people prefer to look as movies as entertainment, not pieces of art that need to be critiqued and studied. I guess I'm gay like that.

Every time I think I've seen the bottom of the stupid well of comments someone comes in and surprises me.

Calling one shot "horrible" editing when when the majority of people didn't even notice is more of nitpicking than studying.

There's nothing wrong with nitpicking especially if one is in that field but casting your opinions off as absolute fact and undermining the entire thought process of a general populace is nothing more than arrogant.

 

[CelticPredator]

This is why taking a film production class in college should be a requirement. Once you know the "rules" of editing, a bad edit becomes very noticeable. I guess people prefer to look as movies as entertainment, not pieces of art that need to be critiqued and studied. I guess I'm gay like that.

Alright?

I'm not sure what tone this is in...but regardless, a movie should be both. It's entertainment...but at the same time, it should be critiqued.

Depends on the movie though. Nolan's flicks are a bit more then the average blockbuster. He allows you to study his films. And his films can be both entertainment and art.

If you look at say Crank for anything but entertainment...well good luck.

Oh I'm sorry. You know every last person who was in my theater in NYC?

It worked for the scene and the general audience was not jarred by it.

A horrible editing job would be one where people were actually confused by what happened.

Good for them. It's still bad editing.

I'm sorry for pointing out something I didn't like from the great and powerful Christopher Nolan.

 

[CelticPredator]

Every time I think I've seen the bottom of the stupid well of comments someone comes in and surprises me.

Calling one shot "horrible" editing when when the majority of people didn't even notice is more of nitpicking than studying.

There's nothing wrong with nitpicking especially if one is in that field but casting your opinions off as absolute fact and undermining the entire thought process of a general populace is nothing more than arrogant.

Hey, dude. Guess what. Film is an art form. Did you know that? Some movies aren't art. But that's beside the point.

Did you also know that...GASP...MOST PEOPLE COULDN'T GIVE A RATS ASS WHO DIRCTED, PRODUCED, AND WROTE THE FILM? But..I do. And hopefully, people here do as well.

Hence why we're on a forum talking about film. Discussing film. The good...and the bad.

 

[The_Raganork]

Good for them. It's still bad editing.

I'm sorry for pointing out something I didn't like from the great and powerful Christopher Nolan.

The typical retort.

There's plenty of things I dislike about the Nolan films so don't come at me with that tired line about how people refuse to critique Nolan.

If you're going to tell someone they're wrong you should be prepared to prove you're right.

Additionally:

It has nothing to do with Nolan and all to do with you pretending as if you're some sort of authority on editing that everyone needs to adhere to.

You can have an opinion but keep it that way. Don't tell people they're WRONG on an Aesthetic choice because you don't like it. you don't like it. that's a preference not something that can be solidified in fact.

 

[Mako]

I have to agree that it was poorly timed however much like the hospital explosion in TDK it's there for a purpose and that's to maximize the effect in the IMAX format.

 

[vanson]

double cuts are not very uncommon in action sequences... look at a movie shot in the 80's or 90's you can see houses,boats etc explode from 6 different angles .. so seeing that thing from 2 angles works imo. i didnt really noticed it the first time, but when you see it over and over again it becomes obvious of course... the truck flip in TDK has also a double cut and nobody was freakin out there ...

and also you have to cut more slowly for imax because the image is so huge..

 

[The_Raganork]

Hey, dude. Guess what. Film is an art form. Did you know that? Some movies aren't art. But that's beside the point.

Did you also know that...GASP...MOST PEOPLE COULDN'T GIVE A RATS ASS WHO DIRCTED, PRODUCED, AND WROTE THE FILM? But..I do. And hopefully, people here do as well.

Hence why we're on a forum talking about film. Discussing film. The good...and the bad.

Here's where you take your personal opinion and back it up with evidence because that is a pretty bold claim.

 

[CelticPredator]

The typical retort.

There's plenty of things I dislike about the Nolan films so don't come at me with that tired line about how people refuse to critique Nolan.

If you're going to tell someone they're wrong you should be prepared to prove you're right.

Additionally:

It has nothing to do with Nolan and all to do with you pretending as if you're some sort of authority on editing that everyone needs to adhere to.

You can have an opinion but keep it that way. Don't tell people they're WRONG on an Aesthetic choice because you don't like it. you don't like it. that's a preference not something that can be solidified in fact.

No. I'm not calling it the end of the world. But I am calling it a poor edit.

When you have two camera's on the same event, you have to show half of each.

If you show the plane end exploding and pull up slightly, THEN you cut to the inside of the plane from that point.

You don't show it, and then reshow it. They did that crap back in the 90's. It never looked good.

I am, allowed to comment on that peice of footage.

 

[CelticPredator]

Here's where you take your personal opinion and back it up with evidence because that is a pretty bold claim.

Well, go out and ask someone if they care who directs their favorite films.

They don't.

 

[craigdbfan]

Celtic and humb do have a point in that the timing of the explosion of the tail of the plane from the different POV is a bit off so they do have the right to express their dislike with the editing in that scene. Whether this was intentional or not on Chris Nolans part is something only he knows but if I had to guess it wasn't. The scene just need to transition quicker and he probably needs to cut some of the footage from the first view of the explosion so we don't see the entire tail ripping off and then see essentially the same thing in the next scene from a different POV when the tail was already blown off.

It's a very minor editing flaw though but a valid complaint nonetheless.

For me though it didn't ruin the scene at all but to say it isn't noticeable for the more trained eye is somewhat dismissive of the actuality of the scene.

 

[CelticPredator]

It didn't ruin anything for me either. But it did bother me just a bit,

 

[The_Raganork]

No. I'm not calling it the end of the world. But I am calling it a poor edit.

When you have two camera's on the same event, you have to show half of each.

If you show the plane end exploding and pull up slightly, THEN you cut to the inside of the plane from that point.

You don't show it, and then reshow it. They did that crap back in the 90's. It never looked good.

I am, allowed to comment on that peice of footage.

See this I don't really take any problem with.

In your opinion but when you start pretending you're the source for editing information, then that's an issue.

Its a preference.

Well, go out and ask someone if they care who directs their favorite films.

They don't.

This no more proves your point than when you said it the first time.

And I can think of several people i'd ask that to and they would, and several and they wouldn't.

Statistical Data.

You make a claim that MOST people... and you have to have some kind of proof because you could never know "most" people and therefore would need some sort of survey to account for this "most" claim.


@craig - Never said they didn't have a point I only said that when you begin to state it as fact you're essentially telling anyone not on your position's side that they're wrong. These are all statements rooted in personal preference.

Lets try to remember that.

 

[CelticPredator]

You don't have proof either. Prove to me, that I am wrong.

 

[slimshady247]

The typical retort.

There's plenty of things I dislike about the Nolan films so don't come at me with that tired line about how people refuse to critique Nolan.

If you're going to tell someone they're wrong you should be prepared to prove you're right.

Additionally:

It has nothing to do with Nolan and all to do with you pretending as if you're some sort of authority on editing that everyone needs to adhere to.

You can have an opinion but keep it that way. Don't tell people they're WRONG on an Aesthetic choice because you don't like it. you don't like it. that's a preference not something that can be solidified in fact.

You don't have proof either. Prove to me, that I am wrong.

Prove to me that you can use a comma.

I kid, I kid.

But seriously, this is completely subjective. It's your opinion. So get off your high horse.

 

[CelticPredator]

No. Not thumbs up. He's acting like I wrote of the whole movie as suck from one nitpick.

 

[The_Raganork]

You don't have proof either. Prove to me, that I am wrong.

I don't have to YOU made the claim. Why back away from it and try to put the burden on me. You say something you ought to be able to back it up.

Furthermore I never said that most people do or don't. I didn't bring up the issue because it's not something I'm prepared to explain to anyone here.

If you're going to hold up your entire claim on a sweeping statement like that you'd be wise to have proof that what you're saying is accurate and true.

Unless you're expecting me to just take you for your word....which is just simply absurd to think I would do.

 

[The_Fire_Rises]

No. I'm not calling it the end of the world. But I am calling it a poor edit.

When you have two camera's on the same event, you have to show half of each.

If you show the plane end exploding and pull up slightly, THEN you cut to the inside of the plane from that point.

You don't show it, and then reshow it. They did that crap back in the 90's. It never looked good.

I am, allowed to comment on that peice of footage.

As much as I love the Nolan Bat films, I don't see any harm in discussing some of their shortcomings. The movies aren't perfect.

 

[CelticPredator]

I don't have to YOU made the claim. Why back away from it and try to put the burden on me. You say something you ought to be able to back it up.

Furthermore I never said that most people do or don't. I didn't bring up the issue because it's not something I'm prepared to explain to anyone here.

If you're going to hold up your entire claim on a sweeping statement like that you'd be wise to have proof that what you're saying is accurate and true.

Unless you're expecting me to just take you for your word....which is just simply absurd to think I would do.

You also made the claim. Please. Enlighten me.

Because you're saying i'm wrong. So how are you right?

 

[Anita18]

Every time I think I've seen the bottom of the stupid well of comments someone comes in and surprises me.

Calling one shot "horrible" editing when when the majority of people didn't even notice is more of nitpicking than studying.

There's nothing wrong with nitpicking especially if one is in that field but casting your opinions off as absolute fact and undermining the entire thought process of a general populace is nothing more than arrogant.

Exactly. If the edit was THAT horrible, even the layperson would notice something was off. Anything less, it's subpar but not terrible.

To me (and probably to everyone else), they just wanted to show the explosion from another angle. The fact that you see the tail separating from the plane both times helps in that.

And the fact that the explosion happens twice doesn't bother me at all. It feels right with the rhythm actually, and it's definitely something I've seen before. And I don't go out and see bad movies.

 

[The_Raganork]

No. Not thumbs up. He's acting like I wrote of the whole movie as suck from one nitpick.

No. I'm acting as if you made

#1 A statement as fact when it's a preference

#2 a Statement as fact when you have no way to prove it.

You don't like the editing in that shot...ok. That's fine.

But you just told someone they were "wrong" it was a "horrible" editing job.

I'm not sure who you are to suppose that someone is wrong because they're opinion on a matter of preference does not equate to yours.

 

[Lord Shaper]

Nolan seems to take a lot of heat for his editing... while I don't think its so bad it ruins or even significantly hurts the experience; in the car-chase in TDK there was something in me saying "somethings not quite right here" and after watching a break down of the edit now I see why I would feel that way.

To compare to music, there are plenty of musicians who hit off notes both live and there are even errors in notation, particularly in percussion on albums...

... i still love the songs!

 

[CelticPredator]

Hey, if it doesn't bother you, great. But it did bother me. So I mentioned it. And discussing it.

But no. I apperently called this film awful, evil, horrible, and the worst thing ever made by a human, by your reactions.