The Dark Knight Rises 8 Years: Active or Retired?

[gorillanesthsia]

He wasn't dumped because you can't just fire a hero. Or just fire a person who has been in their job for over 30 years, esp. in the police department. Remember, Gordon helped Bruce when he was a kid. It's more or less forcing him into an early retirement, "dumping" is a rather harsh word used by the man in the film.

 

[BuddhaWasABat]

What if this debate is still going on the 21st of July because Nolan somehow leaves it ambiguous whether or not Batman was gone for 8 years or came back at some point? That could happen. We might be screwed people.

 

[Blue Sugar]

What if this debate is still going on the 21st of July because Nolan somehow leaves it ambiguous whether or not Batman was gone for 8 years or came back at some point? That could happen. We might be screwed people.

Ha, endless debate would be endless!! t:

I actually think that would be cool though, we can all make up our own minds on how long Batman has been gone.

 

[kvz5]

What if this debate is still going on the 21st of July because Nolan somehow leaves it ambiguous whether or not Batman was gone for 8 years or came back at some point? That could happen. We might be screwed people.

It wouldn't surprise me.

 

[dark_b]

the fact that he has an updated cave is IMO proof that he was still batman after TDK. for how long i dont know.

maybe the cave was finished durringTDK and he never was inside ? maybe not grrrrr

 

[Nevincer]

Lol, Gorillanethsia appears so passionate about this I'm afraid to even argue my case any further. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

[DOO BEE]

maybe it was updated because he thought crime would continue
but with all the mobs dead, joke in arkham etc

batman was blamed for all the crimes. scaring any other mob like activity
so he had the cave and Suit just on stand by

enter... bane.

 

[MaceB]

"The Bat" is equally hard to make. It'd take a lot of time and a lot of money, and building it had to be for Bruce to use as Batman.

 

[Naked Shia]

"The Bat" is equally hard to make. It'd take a lot of time and a lot of money, and building it had to be for Bruce to use as Batman.

You're obviously wrong, as he could use it to go to the beach!

 

[Laderlappen]

Your acting like Gotham doesn't exist in the time between TDK and TDKR. Like everyone just goes to sleep for 8 years.

The idea is that Gotham in this 8 year period dont need Batman. Crime still happens every day, but the police can take care of it. Gotham is like any other city in america.

And what the hell you talking about it's just some line? It has no meaning? Just thrown in for the sake of it?

The argument is if he is retired for 8 years, that quote wouldnt be valid. Thats just a line, as its not much of a sacrifice. Although I still think it would be, they would just start hunting him when he returns. Thats perhaps why he is in prison in the trailer.

 

[Naked Shia]

The idea is that Gotham in this 8 year period dont need Batman. Crime still happens every day, but the police can take care of it. Gotham is like any other city in america.The argument is if he is retired for 8 years, that quote wouldnt be valid. Thats just a line, as its not much of a sacrifice. Although I still think it would be, they would just start hunting him when he returns. Thats perhaps why he is in prison in the trailer.

I don't think it's about Gotham still needing Batman anymore. To me, it's more about Bruce being frozen in time, and keeping fighting as Batman, even if the city doesn't seem to need him anymore.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

the fact that he has an updated cave is IMO proof that he was still batman after TDK. for how long i dont know.

maybe the cave was finished durring TDK and he never was inside ? maybe not grrrrr

Even if Bruce Wayne is not Batman, he is "frozen in time". He can't help but obsess with it. Preparing for a time when he can return, when the city truly needs him. He could also be pouring his money into over guilt... next time I'll be more prepared... I'll be ready.

If he can not be Batman, he will definitely still be secretly obsessed with it.

I've already posted this but I'll post it again, obviously it is not in the movie but imagine this scenario...

Alfred: ...Another addition, Master Bruce?

Bruce: I need a way to hide the Batsuit. This is state-of-the-art, bullet proof, high-impact plastic. It's going to be submerged until I need to use it.

Alfred: Who are you hiding the Batsuit from unexpected prying eyes? ...Or from yourself.

Besides, the cave was already in construction right after BB and all through TDK. That's at least 6 months of work already. Half a year and a lot of money can do a lot of work in that time.

Lol, Gorillanethsia appears so passionate about this I'm afraid to even argue my case any further. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

I'm not, like, fervently in a rage trying to get people to agree with me, I just think the 8 years retired thing is very valid and I want to show the evidence of that.

 

[MrWayne]

So you're saying that after he got home that night from being chased by GCPD at the end of TDK Bruce threw his cape and cowl on the floor and said "From this night forth, no more Batman!" And that's it?

So Batman has not been seen in 8 years since the night he "killed" Dent?

 

[gorillanesthsia]

So you're saying that after he got home that night from being chased by GCPD at the end of TDK Bruce threw his cape and cowl on the floor and said "From this night forth, no more Batman!" And that's it?

So Batman has not been seen in 8 years since the night he "killed" Dent?

Yes. And that's what every article that has been released is saying. How many times do I have to type this out?

Bruce blames himself for all those deaths and the creation of villains like the Joker. He makes a sacrifice to STOP BEING BATMAN because, ironically, it is what he thinks the city needs. He is the last villain in Gotham. The public believes the cops beat the Joker (if you remember, the first time they actually did and saved Batman) and Batman murdered Dent, along with others. He runs because they have to chase him and he gets away and stays gone so that the police can have their victory that they need. ...The best victory available at that time. Which eventually turns out to be just "papering over the cracks".

 

[dark_b]

maybe it was updated because he thought crime would continue
but with all the mobs dead, joke in arkham etc

batman was blamed for all the crimes. scaring any other mob like activity
so he had the cave and Suit just on stand by

e.

BUT then he is still batman. if bruce wakes up in the morning on stand by he is still BATMAN. t:

 

[dark_b]

Yes. And that's what every article that has been released is saying. How many times do I have to type this out?

Bruce blames himself for all those deaths and the creation of villains like the Joker. He makes a sacrifice to STOP BEING BATMAN because, ironically, it is what he thinks the city needs. He is the last villain in Gotham. The public believes the cops beat the Joker (if you remember, the first time they actually did and saved Batman) and Batman murdered Dent, along with others. He runs because they have to chase him and he gets away and stays gone so that the police can have their victory that they need. ...The best victory available at that time. Which eventually turns out to be just "papering over the cracks".

then i am affraid that you dont understand the TDK ending.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

then i am affraid that you dont understand the TDK ending.

What makes my understanding of the TDK ending completely wrong and worse than yours?

It is a subjective interpretation.

Why does all the things about this movie so far say "CONTINUES" to be reviled, exile, missing in action. "FORCE" out of retirement. "What if Batman doesn't exist?" "He must....he must". What if it actually worked?" In regards to stopping crime in Gotham.

Like I said in previous posts. No matter what is said, no matter how many times you guys read the quotes, Team Not Retired will always be that until the movie comes out. Which I could understand, but you guys seem like you don't even see it as a possibility that he could be retired for the whle 8 years.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Okay... this is going to be long so bare with me, because this is important and I promise I won't spam you guys again after I say this, haha. I feel like people are getting annoyed by me...



To me, the retired for 8 years is perfect.

It's perfect.

I don't know why people have a problem with it. People need to expand their mind.

"I don't see how he can be retired for 8 years, return and then not be Batman again and then come back to beat Bane and then retire again!!"

Think about it. The man is retired because it is the right thing to do, because he believes HE is responsible for all those deaths and because the police HAVE to chase him. Batman is the last "villain" in Gotham so he "disappears" as if the cops ran him off, giving Gotham the victory it needed with the death of Dent. It was a spontaneous Plan B.

Now, Batman is stuck retired. Earlier in TDK he wanted to retire anyway, but couldn't. Now, it's like a "be careful what you wish for" situation. Bruce has locked Batman away underneath Wayne Manor and knows he can't be Batman but wants it...wants it SO bad. Because despite his presence creating criminals like the Joker (escalation), Bruce NEEDS Batman. This is why he is "frozen in time" as Nolan put it. He is stuck in the place he was at the end of TDK.

So, finally, after Bruce is forced to bring Batman back at the hands of Gotham's greatest threat yet, as soon as Bruce finally decides, "Alright, damnit, I'm back and I'm going to destroy this monster, he's gone too far", he gets the hell kicked out of him.

How damaging can you imagine that is?! It's an amazing storyline. I feel it is even better than Knightfall.

Now, Bruce has to try and come back all over again. But, he's locked away. Forced to still be Bruce Wayne.

Do you see how genius that is? First, Bruce Wayne himself forced Batman away, then, Bane forces Batman away.

This makes for an ultimate rise and for Batman to reclaim his place as the hero of Gotham.

After TDK, Gotham is in peace..but it is a fake piece. After Bane almost crumbles Gotham to rubble and Batman finally beats him... Gotham will grow back and have REAL peace and Batman will no longer be just a masked vigilante, hated by half the city and hunted by cops. He'll be a legend. Then he can truly quit.

This brings this quote home from ALL THE WAY back in Batman Begins:

"No one can save Gotham. When a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is inevitable and natural. Tomorrow the world will watch in horror as its greatest city tears itself apart through fear. The movement back to harmony will be unstoppable this time."

That's another part of the genius of the story...

At the end of TDKR Batman will truly save Gotham and bring it to harmony after it tears itself apart. Only not in the corrupt way the L.O.S. was going to do it. Batman does it in his own way.

(Just like he refused to kill that criminal all the way back in Batman Begins)

FULL CIRCLE.

...RISE.

 

[Daniel Thompson]

There suppose to be a tie in novel coming outthe same day as this movie, so that will explain what happens in the 8 years after TDK.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

There suppose to be a tie in novel coming outthe same day as this movie, so that will explain what happens in the 8 years after TDK.

Tie in, as in, it is the official novelization of the movie. It is going to be the exact story of the movie.

 

[rayc1971]

i dont think we will find out because nolan said he left that 8 yr gap on purpose for wb to make movies during that gap.so wb can make a trilogy without remaking it and still be in the nolan concept.

 

[dreamliner]

 

[Brother Jack]

That is

 

[Green Day]

If he is active for 8 years that means WB can make fill in movies in between the events of TDK and TDKR.

 

[Bats]

High impact plastic??