9.09 - Pandora - Discussion Thread (Spoilers)

[triplet]

i would love to do itunes myself for stuff. but i dont have the money for it presently.

I had a $50 gift certifcate from my two triplet sisters for iTunes that I got for our birthday and I still had like $30 left on it, so it only cost me like $10 bucks to get the season pass.

I was saving it for the season pass so once they started offering it, I bought it.

 

[avidreader]

use surfthechannel, it always works, good picture.

Well they had kind of turned their backs on Clark so I think it was the fact of doing it themselves since Clark did the same.

What's up with megavideos?

Well I dont download, I just watch a streaming of it, so I dont know if that alters the picture quality, but its not very good, unless I'm choosing the wrong link.

and if the first lab rat was successful (assuming it was, since she still had her powers), then what threat is there? One powered Kryptonian is enough to challange the entire planet, until more lab rats can be created. So if Alia is so, then there was no worry for the Kandorians.


there better be something to this inconsistency, otherwise it's going to be a massive plot hole.

Maybe Alia didnt come through the Orb .... whatever she is I dont think its a plot hole, it appears to be a very deliberate choice.

Well, I waited to hear back and I finally did. I just went to iTunes and it automatically downloaded the new version... It's going right now so hopefully it won't have the same problems.

I havent heard back from them yet. Did you just check for available downloads or did you try to repurchase it again?

 

[triplet]

I havent heard back from them yet. Did you just check for available downloads or did you try to repurchase it again?

I got an email telling me to open up iTunes again, had to have the latest version for it to work apparently. The email said several times that I needed version 9, not sure why it makes a difference, but after I got that email, I went back in and it automatically downloaded.

Others I've read online had gotten credit so they could download it again, but maybe they didn't have the season pass.

 

[avidreader]

I got an email telling me to open up iTunes again, had to have the latest version for it to work apparently. The email said several times that I needed version 9, not sure why it makes a difference, but after I got that email, I went back in and it automatically downloaded.

Others I've read online had gotten credit so they could download it again, but maybe they didn't have the season pass.

I just got a response from them, and they told me to update my iTunes, I had version 9 but now there is a 9.0.2, so I'm doing that. Then she told me to delete the episodes I already had and then to check for "available downloads" so it could download again. Hopefully this will do the trick.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea i would love to get a gift card/itunes stuff but i dont have a lot of money right now. Money is tight in my family right now. plus i do record episodes on tv to watch over and over.

 

[blksuperman2]

I cheered when Chloe died. It might just be me, but I couldn't stand future Chloe.

It was kinda expected from all of the flashbacks that Lois had, but I was happy w/ her dying. Chloe actually came out of her mouth and said that she didn't trust Clark. Seriously? This guy has made a few mistakes but there's really no one on Earth who's more trustworthy. I was glad future Chloe bit the dust.

Love this eppy. Only thing that bugged me was how ******ed Lois was in it. seriously woman? Had like 5000 hits at Clark Kent being the red blue blur....from Zod, Olivier, Chole, and CK himself, and you still can't put 2 and 2 together?! Bloody Hell. Must be all the head injuries she's taken over the seasons.

Yeah Lois is dense huh?

And I wonder how many of Zod's soldiers Olivier (Green Arrow) took down before he got killed?

Awesome scene there. I'm just wondering why it took them so long to arrive. Perhaps they just thought that the rebels weren't a threat or something.

 

[Webhead2006]

who knows lol.

 

[KBX]

Just saw Pandora. I thought it was good for the most part.

Im still a little confused on who could use their powers where. Yellow sun = Kryptonians and Red sun = Kandorians. Right?

 

[Brainiac 8]

If I understood correctly, they turned the sun radiation to red which effected Clark, and had a siphon that redirected the yellow sun energy into the building which was used to charge up the Kandorians.

I'm sure that's how it was explained.

 

[Eros]

If I understood correctly, they turned the sun radiation to red which effected Clark, and had a siphon that redirected the yellow sun energy into the building which was used to charge up the Kandorians.

I'm sure that's how it was explained.

Yellow sun radiation has no effect on the clone Kandorians. Hell thats the whole point of their quest, to see why yellow sun radioation has no effect on them.

 

[Mikelus]

I think it will be explained. The writers wouldn't make that big of a mistake IMO. Remember, she is still alive in the present and there will be plenty of time to explain it. Perhaps she decides to help Clark fight against Zod and FOS Jor-El reverses the Blue-K effect to her DNA, but later she and Clark have a falling out. Alia, Clark, Lois love triangle whatever. Maybe due to the reversal, she has to carry Blue-K around with her to have her powers under the Red Sun. That's why she had it during the barn fight with Clark. They have a whole half of a season to explain it. At least I hope so.

That doesn't make any sense, on "Savior" the blue-K took her powers away when fighting Clark, so she seems to be a "normal" Kryptonian.

An explanation could be that she's different because of a mutation allowing her to have powers under both the yellow and red sun (her eyes are bizarre too)...maybe someone else is using her, like the voice that came from the Orb (Brainiac? Zor-El?). If this is a plot hole, and she's wearing contact lenses just to look creepy, then TPTB will deserve all the bashing they get.

 

[KALEL114]

That doesn't make any sense, on "Savior" the blue-K took her powers away when fighting Clark, so she seems to be a "normal" Kryptonian.
.

As I said in my theory, FOS Jor-El would nullify the Blue-K in her DNA, which would give her powers under the yellow sun. As a side effect though, the only way she could have powers under the Red Sun was to have a piece of Blue-K on her the whole time. That's why when she fought Clark in the barn, she had the Blue-K already on her. Not saying it will go down like that, but the writers still have time to explain her powers and not leave it as a plot hole.

 

[Webhead2006]

yea lot of us fans think something is up with this alia character. Maybe she was an ally of jorel and he caused her to still have her powers under a yellow sun. But she is just playing zod along to not blow her cover or something. Or due to what ever the kandorians did to get their powers they only did have it under a red sun. But whne the red sun was taken away she still had some stored energy and had access to the powers for a limited time, or when the legion ring zapped her and lois maybe it changed her dna. We got 13 episodes left, where this whole kandorian plot can still be explained more.

 

[Prison Mike]

I still think the producers just missed this and it's a plothole. This is Smallville of course...

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

you guys dont give TPTB enough credit. Be patient.

 

[KALEL114]

That's what I'm saying as well.

 

[Superfreak]

you guys dont give TPTB enough credit. Be patient.

they've gotten a lot of credit this year: but one cannot forget the acid trip they took us on last year with Krypto Lana. They may deserve some faith, but they have also earned a little hesitation.

On review, I really wasn't down with the whole 'red sun' effect they used. The puke colored sky effect was much better excecuted in Highlander 2 which was almost 20 years ago now. Didn't like the effect: thankfully they minimized it to a couple of terrible effect attempts, and kept the rest as red filter on the image.

again on the effects thing, when clark came back to life: awesome scene, but like the above, upon review, I wish they hadn't tried to blue screen Clark onto a background of the destroyed city. I wish they had saved the budget, and used a more intimate shot, using the actual set, rather than effects. I don't think it would have affected the scene in anyway, except save some $$$, and avoid doing a shot that gets the point across, but that was far from perfect.

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

Nothing in the city was blue-screend as far as I know. That was all shot on the Watchmen lot.

 

[Superfreak]

Nothing in the city was blue-screend as far as I know. That was all shot on the Watchmen lot.

watch it again, they certainly used the set, but the second the yellow sun comes back, heavy use of blue screen behind both clark and Zod. Also, the lighting was off between the shots of Zod, and the shots of Clark. Like I said, they got it to the point where it works, but I feel that 'real' shots always work better than digitally manufactured ones(and they're cheaper).

It reminds me of the Justice League strut way back. Again there, they got the point across, but the shot just looked so manufactured(as in FAKE) that I couldn't swallow it.

 

[The Caped Knight]

That doesn't make any sense, on "Savior" the blue-K took her powers away when fighting Clark, so she seems to be a "normal" Kryptonian.

An explanation could be that she's different because of a mutation allowing her to have powers under both the yellow and red sun (her eyes are bizarre too)...maybe someone else is using her, like the voice that came from the Orb (Brainiac? Zor-El?). If this is a plot hole, and she's wearing contact lenses just to look creepy, then TPTB will deserve all the bashing they get.

Here's a stupid theory, Maybe Alia was able to maintain her powers under a yellow sun because she was wearing Jonathan's watch which had Clark's DNA on it . Again I repeat this is a stupid theory

 

[triplet]

you guys dont give TPTB enough credit. Be patient.

You think that they're going to explain how Alia maintained her powers under a yellow sun after Zod had apparently lost his?

I hope so...

 

[The Incredible Hulk]

You think that they're going to explain how Alia maintained her powers under a yellow sun after Zod had apparently lost his?

I hope so...

You see the "fatal flaw" in that scene isnt that Alia still had powers, it's the Zod didnt so quickly. From comic lore, Kryptonians are like solar batteries they absorb the energy from the sun and then store it. A battery doesnt immediately become powerless once it's not being charged. It has to be drained first.

Zod shouldnt have run out of powers the second the sun turned yellow again. he would still have all of that red solar energy stored in him. He'd have to use it all up first and then he'd be powerless. (You should mention that in your K-Site review..and credit me of course )

So Alia having a burst of superspeed only minutes after the sun turned isnt all that unbelievable given what we know about the Kandorians. The scene really failed by having Zod's powers shut off like a light switch. The show has made that mistake in a few episodes with Clark as well. Their powers dont come and go the instant the sun hits them or goes away. Otherwise Clark would never have any powers when it was night time. (or atleast very diminished powers since moonlight is in effect reflected sunlight)

One of the times where the show really got this point right was in Perry where they mentioned Clark had to burn off the energy overload from the solar flares before he returned to "normal."

 

[triplet]

You see the "fatal flaw" in that scene isnt that Alia still had powers, it's the Zod didnt so quickly. From comic lore, Kryptonians are like solar batteries they absorb the energy from the sun and then store it. A battery doesnt immediately become powerless once it's not being charged. It has to be drained first.

Zod shouldnt have run out of powers the second the sun turned yellow again. he would still have all of that red solar energy stored in him. He'd have to use it all up first and then he'd be powerless. (You should mention that in your K-Site review..and credit me of course )

So Alia having a burst of superspeed only minutes after the sun turned isnt all that unbelievable given what we know about the Kandorians. The scene really failed by having Zod's powers shut off like a light switch. The show has made that mistake in a few episodes with Clark as well. Their powers dont come and go the instant the sun hits them or goes away. Otherwise Clark would never have any powers when it was night time. (or atleast very diminished powers since moonlight is in effect reflected sunlight)

One of the times where the show really got this point right was in Perry where they mentioned Clark had to burn off the energy overload from the solar flares before he returned to "normal."

Well, the comics I thought dealt with this recently when someone, maybe it was Bruce, told Clark that his powers were neutralized as soon as he was hit by Red light because it keeps the power stored in his cells from being utilized. So, with the Kandorians, the reverse would be true: as soon as they were hit with yellow light from the Earth's sun, they'd lose their powers.

So, I'd buy that, but then if that were the case then Alia's powers would also be lost immediately and she couldn't have used them at all in Savior.

If they're going for the stored power thing, like Pete's analogy from Perry that Clark is like a solar battery, then it would make sense that Alia's powers would stay for a day or two (perhaps weakened slowly) once she goes back in time with Lois. It would make sense because in that fight on the train, Lois more or less held her own. Alia wasn't clearly much stronger than her, like a Kryptonian should have been, so maybe her powers WERE slowly being used up.

But it has to be one way or the other, not both.

I was definitely going to call them on that, although I've not been in the mood to write this week. I don't think I'll have the review done as quickly as I had Idol...

 

[Eros]

You see the "fatal flaw" in that scene isnt that Alia still had powers, it's the Zod didnt so quickly. From comic lore, Kryptonians are like solar batteries they absorb the energy from the sun and then store it. A battery doesnt immediately become powerless once it's not being charged. It has to be drained first.

Zod shouldnt have run out of powers the second the sun turned yellow again. he would still have all of that red solar energy stored in him. He'd have to use it all up first and then he'd be powerless. (You should mention that in your K-Site review..and credit me of course )

So Alia having a burst of superspeed only minutes after the sun turned isnt all that unbelievable given what we know about the Kandorians. The scene really failed by having Zod's powers shut off like a light switch. The show has made that mistake in a few episodes with Clark as well. Their powers dont come and go the instant the sun hits them or goes away. Otherwise Clark would never have any powers when it was night time. (or atleast very diminished powers since moonlight is in effect reflected sunlight)

One of the times where the show really got this point right was in Perry where they mentioned Clark had to burn off the energy overload from the solar flares before he returned to "normal."

I guess you didn't see Savior Genuis.when Alia had powers under a Yellow sun for a couple of days.

 

[Superfreak]

You see the "fatal flaw" in that scene isnt that Alia still had powers, it's the Zod didnt so quickly. From comic lore, Kryptonians are like solar batteries they absorb the energy from the sun and then store it. A battery doesnt immediately become powerless once it's not being charged. It has to be drained first.

Zod shouldnt have run out of powers the second the sun turned yellow again. he would still have all of that red solar energy stored in him. He'd have to use it all up first and then he'd be powerless. (You should mention that in your K-Site review..and credit me of course )

So Alia having a burst of superspeed only minutes after the sun turned isnt all that unbelievable given what we know about the Kandorians. The scene really failed by having Zod's powers shut off like a light switch. The show has made that mistake in a few episodes with Clark as well. Their powers dont come and go the instant the sun hits them or goes away. Otherwise Clark would never have any powers when it was night time. (or atleast very diminished powers since moonlight is in effect reflected sunlight)

One of the times where the show really got this point right was in Perry where they mentioned Clark had to burn off the energy overload from the solar flares before he returned to "normal."

nope, Sorry Hulk, but that's wrong: Red Sunlight has classically always neutralized the stored up powers that Kryptonians contain within them, by comic lore. It's not a matter of draining the battery. The battery is effectively neutralized by Red Sunlight. That energy is still stored up, but cannot be used to make someone super because the red sun light interferes.

to use your argument, it would mean that when the Yellow Sun came back, Clark would have to spend time charging up... that is not, and was not the case. Clark was ready to go as soon as the yellow sun came back, meaning his battery was no longer neutralized, and he was back at full power. (he still managed to get stabbed by a mere mortal, they really have to start working on the Clark getting duped by humans, given all the powers he has, this shouldn't be so easy)


She's either not kryptonian/kandorian, or something is different about her.