91st Annual Academy Awards

[Abudefduf]

Everything I’ve heard about the music from Mary Poppins says it’s forgettable.

It was worse than forgettable, it was aggressively boring.

 

[Schlosser85]

Sam Rockwell doesn’t deserve a nom for Vice. Bale makes you see Dick Cheney instead of himself. You don’t get that with Dubya. It’s just Sam Rockwell being Sam Rockwell. It’s not even a good Dubya impression which are a dime a dozen.

 

[Shuri]

Today's the day. For my own entertainment, I hope Black Panther gets a Best Picture nom.

It got it and twitter is going postal its so entertaining. I had to remind a few people that BP is not running against TDK. I don't know why they keep comparing the two.

 

[Boom]

Sam Rockwell doesn’t deserve a nom for Vice. Bale makes you see Dick Cheney instead of himself. You don’t get that with Dubya. It’s just Sam Rockwell being Sam Rockwell. It’s not even a good Dubya impression which are a dime a dozen.

After-glow nomination from his win last year.

 

[Gothamsknight]

I can’t believe we live in a world where a slightly better than average Marvel movie has been nominated for Best Picture and The Dark Knight was not.

You and me both, my friend.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Sam Rockwell doesn’t deserve a nom for Vice. Bale makes you see Dick Cheney instead of himself. You don’t get that with Dubya. It’s just Sam Rockwell being Sam Rockwell. It’s not even a good Dubya impression which are a dime a dozen.

This I agree with. I saw Rockwell do this same impression in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. I don't think he will win anyway, though. This is coming from someone who absolutely loved Vice, LOL

 

[Schlosser85]

I can’t believe we live in a world where a slightly better than average Marvel movie has been nominated for Best Picture and The Dark Knight was not

This.

 

[Shuri]

Hereditary and If Beale streets could talk were snubbed. I'm rooting for Spike Lee for best Director.

 

[terry78]

It's a changing world. Back in the days of TDK comic book movies were all the same according to most of the populous. Didn't matter who was attached or how well made or artsy it was...it was still about people running around in costumes fighting. Basically made to sell toys.

 

[Gothamsknight]

It's a changing world. Back in the days of TDK comic book movies were all the same according to most of the populous. Didn't matter who was attached or how well made or artsy it was...it was still about people running around in costumes fighting. Basically made to sell toys.

But at the same time, the Academy expanded it's categories specifically because of that film. They knew it should have been nominated as well

 

[Boom]

Right. Times have changed. Had there been an expanded Best Picture field back in 2008, TDK would have gotten in.

Besides, TDK is the reason the Academy expanded the Best Picture field in the first place. Its legacy is fine.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Right. Times have changed. Had there been an expanded Best Picture field back in 2008, TDK would have gotten in.

Besides, TDK is the reason the Academy expanded the Best Picture field in the first place. Its legacy is fine.

Agreed. TDK and Wall-E both should have been nominated. But instead we got The Reader. I remember being open minded at the time because I wanted to see The Reader before I got angry. Then I saw the movie, and I got angry

 

[Gothamsknight]

It's legacy is fine, absolutely, but it still doesn't change the face it should have been in there, while BP is. my point overall though is Black Panther is still not a film that is best picture material in general, in my opinion. Even Logan deserved it more

 

[Shuri]

BP is not competing with the aforementioned movies for Best Picture. It is competing with films released in 2018. All these other movies you're mentioning are not films Black Panther was competing against.

I don't know why they don't get this. At least the door is open now, this paves the way for superhero films to get nominated. This is a win for the genre.

 

[Aximili86]

I have no problem with Black Panther being nominated as it did receive critical acclaim for the way it mixed a social message with blockbuster fare. The story itself was prosaic, but you can't deny that it was a cultural experience for many people which I thi.nk is partly what the nomination is about.

Hey, if Crash can win Best Picture...

If the award were for "best cultural experience", then...sure.

It's not though, it's Best Picture. A really good example of the Marvel house-style that every single MCU movie uses probably...shouldn't rise to that bar. The Winter Soldier probably slightly edges out BP quality-wise, and something like Infinity War is obviously a good deal more narratively ambitious and in terms of scale than something like BP. But no way should those be within a million miles of a Best Picture nod. It's not snobbery, it's just...there are genre flicks we love, and there are serious Oscar movies. There are the Indiana Joneses of the world and there are the Schindlers' Lists of the world. Black Panther clearly belongs to the former category, no matter how inspiring people may have found it.

"Cultural experiences" and "phenomenons" aren't a basis for this. Occasionally there's some crossover, like I guess the Camerons of the world with Titanic & Avatar, but much as a lot of us have major issues with Avatar I don't think many could keep a straight face saying Panther was anywhere in the league of as ambitious & groundbreaking as something like that. It's just a...third-or-fourth-best MCU flick with a nice representative cast.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but the knee-jerk worship of this damn movie is pretty out of hand. It's genre-formula stuff - 8 or 9 out of 10 genre-formula stuff, but yeah. Cinematically it's no TDK or Logan by a long shot.

 

[Gothamsknight]

It's not even remotely close to TDK or Logan, and definitely not close to Winter Soldier either, in my opinion.

 

[Boom]

It's legacy is fine, absolutely, but it still doesn't change the face it should have been in there, while BP is. my point overall though is Black Panther is still not a film that is best picture material in general, in my opinion. Even Logan deserved it more

What's done is done, though.

And sometimes, being known as the movie that got snubbed is just as good as having actually been nominated. What's the one thing people say about TDK? "Should have been nominated." What do people say about The Reader? Nothing. Nobody talks about that movie.

 

[Spider-Fan]

If the award were for "best cultural experience", then...sure.

It's not though, it's Best Picture. A really good example of the Marvel house-style that every single MCU movie uses probably...shouldn't rise to that bar. The Winter Soldier probably slightly edges out BP quality-wise, and something like Infinity War is obviously a good deal more narratively ambitious and in terms of scale than something like BP. But no way should those be within a million miles of a Best Picture nod. It's not snobbery, it's just...there are genre flicks we love, and there are serious Oscar movies. There are the Indiana Joneses of the world and there are the Schindlers' Lists of the world. Black Panther clearly belongs to the former category, no matter how inspiring people may have found it.

"Cultural experiences" and "phenomenons" aren't a basis for this. Occasionally there's some crossover, like I guess the Camerons of the world with Titanic & Avatar, but much as a lot of us have major issues with Avatar I don't think many could keep a straight face saying Panther was anywhere in the league of as ambitious & groundbreaking as something like that. It's just a...third-or-fourth-best MCU flick with a nice representative cast.

Nothing wrong with that, of course, but the knee-jerk worship of this damn movie is pretty out of hand. It's genre-formula stuff - 8 or 9 out of 10 genre-formula stuff, but yeah. Cinematically it's no TDK or Logan by a long shot.

Raiders of the Lost Ark was nominated for Best Picture back in the day.

 

[LvtLeeTDK]

What's done is done, though.

And sometimes, being known as the movie that got snubbed is just as good as having actually been nominated. What's the one thing people say about TDK? "Should have been nominated." What do people say about The Reader? Nothing. Nobody talks about that movie.

Very few people know about the Oscar legacy of TDK, though. If it was nominated, it would definitely be better, really.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's not even remotely close to TDK or Logan, and definitely not close to Winter Soldier either, in my opinion.

The Winter Soldier still remains unseated as the strongest MCU movie, IMO.

 

[Micromind]

Why The Academy Dumped Its New 'Popular' Oscar Category

 

[terry78]

there are kids who weren't even born when TDK came out, the only Batman they know is from the Snyderverse. Not to stray from the topic lol.

 

[Schlosser85]

there are kids who weren't even born when TDK came out, the only Batman they know is from the Snyderverse. Not to stray from the topic lol.

Poor things.

 

[Gothamsknight]

edit - nvm

 

[BatLobster]

Congrats to Black Panther and Spider-Verse. It's a nice moment for the genre.

And yes, TDK's legacy is more than secure at this point. It's been a long road to get to this point.