Age of Ultron Aaron Johnson is Quicksilver - Part 1

[Webfoot Hero]

Is that for real?

I thought QS was good in DOFP but the AoU version was far superior. I never cared for the DOFP version. One scene isn't going to be better than an actual character.

DoFP QS was used more for comic relief in a serious film than he was as an essential part of the plot like in AoU. They're functions within each movie make them hard to compare head-to-head.

 

[BatsDC]

That's a good theory, I also thought they could use Cho's machine to heal him.

That's a possibility too, yeah. They seemed to set up chances to reintroduce him very well.

 

[Raiden]

What I can't comprehend is

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with QS's speed, couldn't he have just push Hawkeye and the young boy out of the way of the bullets, instead of covering them with his own body? It just seems like Whedon was determined to kill QS any way possible, so he came up with this impossible scenario.

 

[Sun_Down]

What I can't comprehend is

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with QS's speed, couldn't he have just push Hawkeye and the young boy out of the way of the bullets, instead of covering them with his own body? It just seems like Whedon was determined to kill QS any way possible, so he came up with this impossible scenario.

I don't think

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that he shielded them. I thought he moved them out of the way, but caught some bullets in the process. Maybe I'm wrong, but I thought Clint looked up and was in a different spot.

 

[MadVillainy]

What I can't comprehend is

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with QS's speed, couldn't he have just push Hawkeye and the young boy out of the way of the bullets, instead of covering them with his own body? It just seems like Whedon was determined to kill QS any way possible, so he came up with this impossible scenario.

Well [BLACKOUT]it was machine gun fire. Maybe a single bullet but automatic fire? I think it makes sense that he was hit.
Also while he is fast, he's not that fast. His speed to me seemed more like one of those world record record breaking speed cars rather than moving so fast everything seems slow.
Also they were showing how tired he was at points[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Raiden]

Well [BLACKOUT]it was machine gun fire. Maybe a single bullet but automatic fire? I think it makes sense that he was hit.
Also while he is fast, he's not that fast. His speed to me seemed more like one of those world record record breaking speed cars rather than moving so fast everything seems slow.
Also they were showing how tired he was at points[/BLACKOUT]

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The movie never shown us that QS tried but failed to dodge those bullets, so in my mind he could've dodged them but he died because Whedon wanted him to, just like he did with Coulson. Whedon could've ended any speculation regarding his needless death if he had elaborate it a bit more imo.

 

[MadVillainy]

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The movie never shown us that QS tried but failed to dodge those bullets, so in my mind he could've dodged them but he died because Whedon wanted him to, just like he did with Coulson. Whedon could've ended any speculation regarding his needless death if he had elaborate it a bit more imo.

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I dont think QS is fast enough/has a fast enough reaction time to dodge bullets know he couldnt do that, he's not that fast in AoU. I liken AoU's Quicksilver to being more like one of the land speed record breaking vehicles. Obviously very fast, but he's not as fast as DOFP's Quicksilver who can move faster than a bullet and can dodge them like it is nothing. If Quicksilver was fast enough to dodge gatling fire, i dont think anyone wouldve gotten the drop on him in AoU

What options did he have? I can only think of 3.
1) Let Hawkeye die
2) Push Hawkeye and the kid out of the way which couldve hurt them and there was no guarantee his push would put them in a covered position
3) The way he did it, drag them out of the way. But the gun was already firing, although it was still rising toward its target. But if it is already firing a steady stream of bullets in rapid fire and with the bullets being in close proximity. How does he dodge them?

 

[irapogi]

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Like that scene in the tower, he sees bullets move slowly, but he can still get hit *like with the cop* , plus he was probably really tired at that point. It's nice to have a vulnerable pietro, because *and i hate to bring up comparisons* the DOFP version is SO FAST, that he could've single handedly protected them from the sentinels in the future.

 

[Raiden]

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I dont think QS is fast enough/has a fast enough reaction time to dodge bullets know he couldnt do that, he's not that fast in AoU. I liken AoU's Quicksilver to being more like one of the land speed record breaking vehicles. Obviously very fast, but he's not as fast as DOFP's Quicksilver who can move faster than a bullet and can dodge them like it is nothing. If Quicksilver was fast enough to dodge gatling fire, i dont think anyone wouldve gotten the drop on him in AoU

What options did he have? I can only think of 3.
1) Let Hawkeye die
2) Push Hawkeye and the kid out of the way which couldve hurt them and there was no guarantee his push would put them in a covered position
3) The way he did it, drag them out of the way. But the gun was already firing, although it was still rising toward its target. But if it is already firing a steady stream of bullets in rapid fire and with the bullets being in close proximity. How does he dodge them?

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I don't really buy the theories that he couldn't have saved them without sacrificing his life, especially since Whedon has a reputation of killing characters. I believe that Whedon wants QS to died no matter what.

 

[PunyGod]

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I don't really buy the theories that he couldn't have saved them without sacrificing his life, especially since Whedon has a reputation of killing characters. I believe that Whedon wants QS to died no matter.

Well that is a given.

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Its not like he put Quicksilver in that position and then did an analysis to determine whether he would live or die in the movie. The character was meant to die from the beginning. We can argue over whether it was a good death or not until the cows come home.

 

[CB Fan]

Not a fan of ATJ but I liked him in the role and [BLACKOUT]I am actually upset about the character's death.[/BLACKOUT]

 

[Iron Lizard]

Anyone else as disappointed as I am by the lack of Quicksilver merchandise?

 

[Nathan]

What I can't comprehend is

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with QS's speed, couldn't he have just push Hawkeye and the young boy out of the way of the bullets, instead of covering them with his own body? It just seems like Whedon was determined to kill QS any way possible, so he came up with this impossible scenario.

My opinion on that scene.

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They made sure to show that Quicksilver is only as fast, or almost as fast as a bullet, and that there are also limits to his powers, as we've seen him catch his breath a few times. So when he was saving Hawkeye and the kid, he didn't really have a lot of options. He couldn't run around the bullets, safely pick them up and move them to safety. Time doesn't stop for him. So when he was reaching Hawkeye, the bullets already almost hit them. And let's say he could have avoided the first bullet, there was no chance to avoid the countless other bullets fired by the Quinjet's mini-gun.

So even had he pushed them, he might still have been hit. But pushing might not even have been an option. We've seen that he can tear through robots with his speed. So at the speed he was traveling, a push might have actually killed them. Just watch the Quicksilver scene in Days of Future Past. He taps one security guard on the cheek with his finger. When time resumes that security guard gets knocked out cold.

 

[BatsDC]

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Still, the fact we never explicitly see anyone later on reference his death makes me think he isn't as dead as we might think. Even Coulson got more mention after he died. Adds a little more credence to my coma theory.

 

[ernesth100]

Why is everyone blaming Whedon.

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The writers and Feige are also to blame for letting QS die. All of the weight isn't on the director.

 

[Supernova]

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Im just shocked at how marvel went given we see flash on a weekly tv show dodge bullets and other things and fox Had quicksilver literally change bullets trajectory. This quicksilver looked quite slow in comparison and almost jogging.

 

[Nathan]

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Im just shocked at how marvel went given we see flash on a weekly tv show dodge bullets and other things and fox Had quicksilver literally change bullets trajectory. This quicksilver looked quite slow in comparison and almost jogging.

I am actually pretty happy with the power level Quicksilver had in AOU. Had he been as powerful as FOX's Quicksilver, the Movie would have pretty much turned into a bore fest. Or he'd have to be written incompetently half the time like the Flash, in order to not break the Movie.

 

[Supernova]

I am actually pretty happy with the power level Quicksilver had in AOU. Had he been as powerful as FOX's Quicksilver, the Movie would have pretty much turned into a bore fest. Or he'd have to be written incompetently half the time like the Flash, in order to not break the Movie.

Yea but if your Suppose to be the fastest man in the comics i dont want to see
bullets Catch you. Thats like a bird catching up to a plane and landing on the wing.

 

[Nathan]

At the beginning Quicksilver was nowhere near as fast as he is now. So seeing as he didn't have his powers for long, and didn't get any sorts of power ups like he did numerous times in the comics, his speed was just fine. Wanda can warp reality in the comics, but she didn't start out like that either. There is nowhere left to go development wise, if you already start with them at max power.

 

[irapogi]

for all we know, he was running as fast as he possibly could during that scene.

 

[Silvermoon]

I absolutely LOVED Quicksilver in this, so much better (IMO) than DOFP's QS (which I really didn't think was all that - sure he had one really flashy scene, but I thought there were better scenes, and better characters in that movie, and the way they Americanized him and his look just never sat well with me). I liked that he didn't come across as overpowered, he had limits (being shown catching his breath), and physics also applied to him (on the ship - which we see in some trailers - when he makes corners his feet occasionally slip out from under him/he has to catch his footing). He felt - despite his powers - like a real and grounded character (if that makes sense). I could believe that he exists in that world. I liked his snarky humor. I thought he had good depth along with SW. Loved the accent, loved the look.

I am disappointed by

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the death, and part of me does hope that they find a way to bring him back, because otherwise - waste of a great character/I think there's still a lot they can do with him

 

[ctsketch]

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Im just shocked at how marvel went given we see flash on a weekly tv show dodge bullets and other things and fox Had quicksilver literally change bullets trajectory. This quicksilver looked quite slow in comparison and almost jogging.

because comics flash IS faster than comics Quicksilver. In the comics Quicksilver isn't light speed. he is a few times faster than sound fast

 

[BH/HHH]

AOU QS has a personality, an interesting background, and an arc (going from villain to hero). DOFP QS only has a cool scene, but they made him so OP that Singer left him out of the 3rd act so he won't ruin the tension.

Each to their own, I disagree

 

[MadVillainy]

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I don't really buy the theories that he couldn't have saved them without sacrificing his life, especially since Whedon has a reputation of killing characters. I believe that Whedon wants QS to died no matter what.

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So how would he have saved them without sacrificing himself? I cant think of a way.
The only way I could think would be to push them out of the way which could've hurt them and was not a guaranteed way to save them. Or he couldve found an object that would've covered them but that would've taken longer. He just wasn't fast enough.

The way they set it up he wasn't fast enough to move them out of the way without sacrificing himself. So the only way he would've lived is that he wasn't in that situation in the first place.

I think youre being too hard on the writing. Im not really a fan that them killing him off and i get not liking that aspect, but there was no way to move them out of the way and avoid machine gun fire. The situation they put him in was a no win, for Pietro's life at least, scenario. If you or anyone else comes up with an idea I'd love to hear it.

 

[Quasimod0]

Didn't DoFP QS only have that one scene of him in his house. And then the one of him breaking Magneto out, where he barely does any speaking at all?