Age of Ultron Aaron Johnson is Quicksilver - Part 2

[Imperial]

Listen guys, they can easily bring QS back without having to do any of that cloning and resurrection nonsense. A person isn't technically "dead" until their brain stops receiving blood and oxygen. There have been multiple scenarios in both World Wars where soldiers have gotten shot 10+ times and ended up surviving, and that's with way more primitive medical technology then what's in the MCU. No one in the movie actually said that "he's dead," no gravesite, no funeral...nothing. Knowing Marvel, that's pretty ambiguous and they left it that way for a reason.

I don't really care what Feige says, he's just throwing up a smoke screen IMO. If they didn't have plans for QS in the future, then I doubt Aaron would have signed a multi-contract deal. No actor wants to be tied to a studio on a contract like that without a plan since it may interrupt their other movies.

Yes, I'm in pretty big denial lol.

 

[sdc10]

Listen guys, they can easily bring QS back without having to do any of that cloning and resurrection nonsense. A person isn't technically "dead" until their brain stops receiving blood and oxygen. There have been multiple scenarios in both World Wars where soldiers have gotten shot 10+ times and ended up surviving, and that's with way more primitive medical technology then what's in the MCU. No one in the movie actually said that "he's dead," no gravesite, no funeral...nothing. Knowing Marvel, that's pretty ambiguous and they left it that way for a reason.

I don't really care what Feige says, he's just throwing up a smoke screen IMO. If they didn't have plans for QS in the future, then I doubt Aaron would have signed a multi-contract deal. No actor wants to be tied to a studio on a contract like that without a plan since it may interrupt their other movies.

Yes, I'm in pretty big denial lol.

All of these actors are signed to mult-contract deals, but if they don't write the character into another movie how are they supposed to reprise that role? If they want to keep quicksilver dead, its really easy, they just don't bring him back for another movie. Hugo Weaving was signed for a multi-picture deal for the Red Skull but we haven't seen him in 4 years and there is no indication of him coming back anytime soon for another film. The multi-picture deal is just a way for Marvel to keep their options open, while also getting the most of the actors without having to re-negotiate with them everytime they want to use them for a movie. But it is by no means a guarantee that they will be appearing in more than one movie.

 

[Imperial]

It's more about conflicts of schedules between the actor and the studio. We are not privy to the information in the contracts and plans change all the time. Marvel is on a tight schedule for these movies, if they want AJ back to reprise the role of QS but AJ already agreed to another film with the same shooting date, I'm assuming AJ would be contractually obligated to fill the role of QS even though he was promised a lead role in another movie and would probably be making more money.

It's all about thinking ahead. Maybe Marvel had more plans for Hugo's Red Skull but were scrapped? Is he the only one with a multi contract deal that has only done one movie with no plans to be in another movie? I'm curious now.

 

[sdc10]

It's more about conflicts of schedules between the actor and the studio. We are not privy to the information in the contracts and plans change all the time. Marvel is on a tight schedule for these movies, if they want AJ back to reprise the role of QS but AJ already agreed to another film with the same shooting date, I'm assuming AJ would be contractually obligated to fill the role of QS even though he was promised a lead role in another movie and would probably be making more money.

It's all about thinking ahead. Maybe Marvel had more plans for Hugo's Red Skull but were scrapped? Is he the only one with a multi contract deal that has only done one movie with no plans to be in another movie? I'm curious now.

Yes he would be, but again this is operating under the assumption they would want him back. It is also a way to keep the audience guessing. I mean if everyone but AJ signed multi-pic contracts and he only signed one, it would be pretty easy to guess that he would be biting the bullet in the movie.

 

[Imperial]

These contracts are a moot point anyways...hell for all we know he could have signed a one movie deal with a non-disclosure clause. I just have a hard time believing actors signing multi movie contracts without future plans since it could cut them out of other films. I digress.

My original point being that it's not hard to bring his character back since there was no real confirmation of him being officially dead.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

If Marvel wanted him to live they would've used the scenes that Whedon shot of him being alive at the end of the movie.

He's dead Jim...

 

[Consona]

He's dead Jim...

I liked him a lot. He brings another kind of superpower to the team dynamics.

 

[Imperial]

If Marvel wanted him to live they would've used the scenes that Whedon shot of him being alive at the end of the movie.

He's dead Jim...

Cant even let us be in denial in peace

XD

 

[sueb1863]

Yeah, sadly, Feige has said he's dead, so he's staying dead. We'll most likely see him in flashbacks or visions now and then but he won't be back in any permanent, living capacity. I think it's a big waste and a mistake, but there it is. We can thank Whedon and his penchant for killing off characters randomly for no solid reason. I wouldn't mind it if I thought it added something to the movie, but it really didn't. It seemed pretty pointless and arbitrary. Maybe Whedon didn't like Johnson or something.

 

[sdc10]

Yeah, sadly, Feige has said he's dead, so he's staying dead. We'll most likely see him in flashbacks or visions now and then but he won't be back in any permanent, living capacity. I think it's a big waste and a mistake, but there it is. We can thank Whedon and his penchant for killing off characters randomly for no solid reason. I wouldn't mind it if I thought it added something to the movie, but it really didn't. It seemed pretty pointless and arbitrary. Maybe Whedon didn't like Johnson or something.

Or it had more to do with the fact that he was seen as the most "expendable" character. I loved how self-aware the movie was with the fact that everyone thought that Hawkeye would be the most likely character to die in the movie because of how less powerful he was than everyone else. They then decided to pull a swerve and bump off Quicksilver which was legitimately surprising. It makes sense for someone to die, otherwise there is no real sense of danger. (They really dropped the ball by bringing back Coulson). In the comics SW was always the more consistent and "important" Avenger then when compared with Quicksilver so it makes sense for her to stay around longer.

Yes it sucks that he died and I would have loved for him to stay around longer but I understand the reasoning behind killing him.

 

[sueb1863]

I didn't get any real sense of danger from QS' death at all. It just seemed random to me, especially since Hawkeye was the only Avenger outside of Wanda to have any reaction to it at all. Nobody else cared and they didn't make any big deal out of it, and why would they? He was a new character that nobody really knew.

If the reaction on tumblr is any indication, Whedon made a BIG mistake. Several people have said he was shaping up to be their favorite character, but now he's dead and not coming back, and for no good reason beyond, well, Whedon wanted to arbitrarily kill somebody.

 

[sdc10]

I didn't get any real sense of danger from QS' death at all. It just seemed random to me, especially since Hawkeye was the only Avenger outside of Wanda to have any reaction to it at all. Nobody else cared and they didn't make any big deal out of it, and why would they? He was a new character that nobody really knew.

If the reaction on tumblr is any indication, Whedon made a BIG mistake. Several people have said he was shaping up to be their favorite character, but now he's dead and not coming back, and for no good reason beyond, well, Whedon wanted to arbitrarily kill somebody.

Well if Tumblr has a problem with it, looks like the MCU is on its deathbed

 

[Silvermoon]

I think I've said it elsewhere (not sure if I've said it in this thread though), I understand Joss' idea of wanting to show how serious the stakes of war are - I just think the way he went about it was stupid.

I think that there were other ways they could have gone about it without resorting to killing a brand new character that had/has a lot of potential in the MCU franchise. You want to show the stakes of war, I would say actually show the heroes fail in other areas of the battle. For example - The car that Cap was holding onto by it's bumper and it (and another car) fell - don't have Thor swoop in and save the day on that. Have Cap have no choice but to look on as they fall to their death and he can't do anything about it. Something like can weigh heavily on the characters - something they carry with them and be explored for the rest of the film and for future films to come.

Not to mention, other than Wanda having her Angst Nuke moment and then ripping out Ultron's power source - there really wasn't any weight to his death with the other team members. Not like it felt there was with Coulson's death - which isn't surprising, we'd had time to get to know Phil across multiple films (and one-shots) and he wasn't an antagonist to the Avengers for the majority of the first Avengers film before he was killed off. The characters didn't know Pietro that well, so what weight is there? So what did his death accomplish? To me it didn't accomplish much with the way it was portrayed other than pissing off some fans (myself included) that felt there was more the character could bring to the future of the MCU.

If that all makes sense, and of course it's just my personal opinion on the matter... sorry if it came across as a bit 'ranty' - it's been one of those days for me and I'm kind of ready for the weekend to be here.

 

[CaptainWagner]

Yeah, sadly, Feige has said he's dead, so he's staying dead. We'll most likely see him in flashbacks or visions now and then but he won't be back in any permanent, living capacity. I think it's a big waste and a mistake, but there it is. We can thank Whedon and his penchant for killing off characters randomly for no solid reason. I wouldn't mind it if I thought it added something to the movie, but it really didn't. It seemed pretty pointless and arbitrary. Maybe Whedon didn't like Johnson or something.

Again, Fiege's comments really mean nothing. He also insisted there was no Mandarin beyond IM3. He likely just said that to appease Whedon and smooth out their differences.

 

[sueb1863]

Well if Tumblr has a problem with it, looks like the MCU is on its deathbed

Not really saying that, but QS appears to have been VERY popular and a lot of fans are ticked off because they said he was shaping up to be their favorite character in the franchise, and now he's dead and gone for no real clear good reason other than the whim of the director. If his death had a meaningful impact on tha narrative then it wouldn't be a problem. But it didn't. It came and went and then it was over.

And I don't think giving the battle weight should have been such a huge concern. It's a comic book movie, not Saving Private Ryan or even Game of Thrones. The story didn't need a character death, it would have worked fine - even better - without it.

 

[sueb1863]

Again, Fiege's comments really mean nothing. He also insisted there was no Mandarin beyond IM3. He likely just said that to appease Whedon and smooth out their differences.

I wish I could believe that, but as was said elsewhere, if Marvel didn't want QS dead, they would have used the alternate ending where he lived. They seem OK with him being dead so I think he'll stay dead. Unfortunately.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Not to mention, other than Wanda having her Angst Nuke moment and then ripping out Ultron's power source - there really wasn't any weight to his death with the other team members. Not like it felt there was with Coulson's death - which isn't surprising, we'd had time to get to know Phil across multiple films (and one-shots) and he wasn't an antagonist to the Avengers for the majority of the first Avengers film before he was killed off. The characters didn't know Pietro that well, so what weight is there? So what did his death accomplish? To me it didn't accomplish much with the way it was portrayed other than pissing off some fans (myself included) that felt there was more the character could bring to the future of the MCU.

Coulson's death was definitely more impactful.

 

[Raiden]

I think I've said it elsewhere (not sure if I've said it in this thread though), I understand Joss' idea of wanting to show how serious the stakes of war are - I just think the way he went about it was stupid.

I think that there were other ways they could have gone about it without resorting to killing a brand new character that had/has a lot of potential in the MCU franchise. You want to show the stakes of war, I would say actually show the heroes fail in other areas of the battle. For example - The car that Cap was holding onto by it's bumper and it (and another car) fell - don't have Thor swoop in and save the day on that. Have Cap have no choice but to look on as they fall to their death and he can't do anything about it. Something like can weigh heavily on the characters - something they carry with them and be explored for the rest of the film and for future films to come.

Not to mention, other than Wanda having her Angst Nuke moment and then ripping out Ultron's power source - there really wasn't any weight to his death with the other team members. Not like it felt there was with Coulson's death - which isn't surprising, we'd had time to get to know Phil across multiple films (and one-shots) and he wasn't an antagonist to the Avengers for the majority of the first Avengers film before he was killed off. The characters didn't know Pietro that well, so what weight is there? So what did his death accomplish? To me it didn't accomplish much with the way it was portrayed other than pissing off some fans (myself included) that felt there was more the character could bring to the future of the MCU.

If that all makes sense, and of course it's just my personal opinion on the matter... sorry if it came across as a bit 'ranty' - it's been one of those days for me and I'm kind of ready for the weekend to be here.

I can't agree more. I think Whedon chose QS because he wants to kill an Avenger (although QS didn't qualify as one just yet), and he couldn't touch any of them with the exception of QS, so he did it anyway even though there's very little emotional impact. There's all these talks about whether Marvel had given Whedon enough control in AOU, and I for one wished that they had given him everything else EXCEPT for QS's death. I think it was unnecessary and ruined a character that has tons of potential in the MCU.

 

[Imperial]

I wish I could believe that, but as was said elsewhere, if Marvel didn't want QS dead, they would have used the alternate ending where he lived. They seem OK with him being dead so I think he'll stay dead. Unfortunately.

Killing QS was 100% Whedon's idea. I doubt Marvel cared either way since they gave Whedon almost full control of the movie barring a few things like Thor's cave scene. Like I said before, the movie left it pretty ambiguous as to whether QS is actually dead so if they brought him back it wouldn't technically retcon anything.

 

[Avenger]

I'm still kinda bummed about Quicksilver's death. I thought he was a vastly better interpretation of the character than the version we got in Days of Future Past, and Aaron Taylor-Johnson was really good in the role. I really don't think it was necessary at all for him to die, and the way in which he died was kind of lame because there were other ways for Quicksilver to resolve that issue without it ending with him riddled with bullet holes.

I get that Whedon doesn't feel like a movie such as this doesn't have any dramatic weight without casualties, but frankly I disagree. Coulson's death in The Avengers made sense because that was the linchpin of the whole plot; the group needed something to make them a team, and they needed a reason to be called Avengers. But Quicksilver's death was pointless. What did it add to the story? Sure, there was a nice scene there with Scarlet Witch ripping out Ultron's heart, but she could have destroyed him without that impetus.

But with all that said, now that he is dead I think I'd prefer that he stay that way. Marvel has kind of fallen into this bad habit of cheapening death with their resurrection of Coulson and their fake-out with Loki in The Dark World, and it would only get worse if they resurrected Quicksilver. It's gonna sting because of all the untapped potential (especially how he could have been used as a bridge to the Inhumans in the movies), but what's done is done.

 

[Consona]

I would like to see Quicksilver as member of the new Avengers team like bazillion times more than War Machine or Falcon. He's much more entertaining and interesting character. And I really liked Aaron Taylor-Johnson in this role.

Yea, his death was a big mistake.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

Loki's 'death' didn't bother me at all. He was only 'dead' for 10 minutes and it is absolutely the type of thing Loki would do. He's the Trickster God after all.

 

[Raiden]

Loki's 'death' didn't bother me at all. He was only 'dead' for 10 minutes and it is absolutely the type of thing Loki would do. He's the Trickster God after all.

Yeah, just like Nick Fury's "death" they weren't supposed to be death because they were revealed to be alive in the same movie, and both had good reason behind their resurrection. I'm more bothered by Odin's disappearance in TDW than anything else.

 

[Silvery]

I would like to see Quicksilver as member of the new Avengers team like bazillion times more than War Machine or Falcon. He's much more entertaining and interesting character. And I really liked Aaron Taylor-Johnson in this role.

Yea, his death was a big mistake.

Couldn´t agree more! I personally am not even sure yet, if I still want to see the future movies, because seeing SW alone would make me angry all over again. And many of the other characters of the new Avengers team I am just not interessted in. Tsss...till this movie, I didn´t even know I could feel so angry about a movie, because it is just a movie, but even a month after seeing it I am still seething over Quicksilvers death!

 

[Mad Ones]

I don't know... Falcon and War Machine are pretty fun. I liked Quicksilver, but we didn't get enough of him to get a sense of his personality or character. Too bad that might not come later in the MCU. I also like the idea of having the twins as a packaged set of characters, so it's too bad that is no longer the case. But I guess at least Wanda won't have to share her development.