The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

If Nolan changes his mind ^ the most I can see happening is the circus scene at the end of movie 3. A cliffhanger that leaves it totally open for the next director to do as he wishes.


We already know what that Nolan desicion is. So to start a Robin thread about a decision that leads to no Robin is... you know the idea behind.

Nepenthes said:
a decision that has already been made. Hypothethically.

when you quoted me, you forgot a word at the end. i get the feeling that was deliberate :cwink:

it's just fun. Robins not gonna appear for a long while. rest easy
 
Dick grayson lived w/ bruce for a number of years before begining his training or wearing the costume so introducing him as an 18 -20 year old is straight up dumb and has been done before....How could he raise dick if he's already 18-years old.

I disagree. Sure in the comics Bruce helps raise Dick and Jason, but I don't think him being a parent is a crucial element. He can still be a mentor to an older Robin and the important bits stay the same.

Remember there is an important difference between BB and comic book Bruce. In BB Bruce was still vengeful and confused in his early 20's. I'd have it so he sees Robin like that, in his teens, and decides to help him.

when robin is introduced after the third film. its not like they just threw him in there. It's like okay Dick has been living w/ him for a while and we got to see this character grow a little.

Yep, you could introduce a child in movie three and show the circus scene, then cut to a new trilogy and he's a teenager who's been living with Bruce for a while. You could even have different actors here.


adam west said:
I'd have them all. He starts as the acrobat, then flees the circus and has to live like a hoodlum which is where Batman finds him and realizes that he needs guidance. Which in turn leads to him using a natural slant for detective reasoning.

I was thinking the same. A Jason Todd type with Dick Graysons origin. The alternative is a more geeky tech support kinda guy, but for now here's what I'd do.

- Batman finds a teenager messing with his Tumbler. He scares him off, the the guy does a double somersault over a ledge.

- Later on Batman sees the same guy spying into a mobsters den. The guy is caught, he easily takes down half dozen thugs but is then shot in the leg. The mobsters are going to kill him but Batman busts the place up. In the aftermath the kid gets arrested by cops, he's a known street thug.

- Bruce goes to bail the kid out, and finds out that he's actually Dick Grayson, a gypsy kid who's been running wild since his parents circus disbanded. Bruce remembers being at the event. He offers to help him, maybe get him into a scholarship or new circus or something.

- Bruce lectures Dick about revenge. Dick keeps going out at night and getting into fights with thugs. Dick finds out about Bruce parents. Batman is getting old and tired.

- Dick figures out that Bruce is Batman. Alfred wonders if that's what Bruce intended all along.

Robin 91939 said:
He sees the same anger and thirst for vengeance in Dick's eyes as he did in his own years ago. He recalls Ra's and his guidance and how easy it was to get lost in the darkness. He couldn't afford to let Dick conceit to the darkness, he could become very formidable left to his own devices.
-Batman remembers Ra's and the idea of being a symbol, immortal. That he himself will one day be gone and the work he does must continue, enter Dick.

Exactly. If you play it like Ra's Al Ghul in BB it dosn't matter if Robin is in his late teens. It's not about Bruce raising a young boy, it's him saving a young man. Same as Ra's did.

Your dialogue is great but I'd probably leave it for a new trilogy. Even if the option was open I don't think Robin in TDK is a good idea at all. Maybe show Dick Grayson and the circus, but no hints to anything else. In movie 3, who knows I'd have to see TDK first.
 
Robin will be adapted by not being adapted.

Why do we need Robin:huh:

I'm sure Nolan and Co. with crack by the third and have a young Dick Grayson, though.
 
Why did you bother typing that out ^? It's nothing new. Read the first post. You're a crumb.

Majick that manip kinda creeps me out. Nice design though. :up: it reminds me of Jason Todds costume



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Robin with a light emitting cape. This gives it a unique purpose kinda like Batman's memory cloth. And if Robin shows off some freerunning in the movies the glare from the light would make it look like he's actually flying or flitting about. Also,

- it distracts enemies
- it hides his face making it harder to hit or identity
- draws fire to his body armor when his figure is in silhouette
- looks nice for civilians - I always thought of Robin as the 'public face' of the dynamic duo, people should like him.
- can be turned off for stealth
-good contrast with batman. light and hope etc. would make batman look scarier when he suddenly appears in a flash of light
- would look cool on screen. and robins cape in the comics is basically the same thing.
 
We need Robin for the same reasons we need Lucious, Alfred, Rachel and Gordon. We don't, but they're very useful in helping us show a new angle on Batman.

On the suggested Issues:

Which Robin:
Dick Grayson, hands down. There are valuable characteristics of Tim Drake, and even Jason that could be incorporated, Grayson being a professional acrobat from the time he could walk gives his incredible physicality credibility that just can't be gained from being a street theif or natural talent alone.

Costume:
It should be done with the same angle of Batman's costume. Take someting that exists already and have Dick/Bruce/Alfred customize it. There is no army armor for a teenager, but having him take a durable, perhaps an all-black leather biking uniform, put his own unique red vest on it. Fashioning a R-shaped shuriken and placing it over his breast. Add black night vision goggles borrowed from Bruce and that seems like the best way to cobble together a Robin-like believable costume.

Cape:
Not necessary, I think having him in a cloak for just a few moments is a fine send-off for the cape, and again, having him in some goggles is a fine, and much more believable replacement for the domino mask, which is useless, and should never be used in a movie.

Age:
I believe Robin does need to be a child to serve his function. I believe he brings one-liners so Batman can remain dark and forboding, instead of having to spout the one-liners like he did in Begins. Batman can be badass anti-hero and Robin can offset him by being a trickster hero. Age plays a lot into that. Furthermore, Robin is ABOUT being subservient to Batman, not being a brother/partner/peer. Also, coming under Bruce's tutelage at an older age makes Robin UNFIT for superheroism without his own 7 year journey. It doesn't make sense for a 18-20 year old to be on rooftops 1-3 yrs later... he's just not physically and mentall ready. I'd put him at 12-13... though I wouldn't have him become Robin for two-three movies, either.


Villain:
It would be convenient if one of the villains, likely the secondary villain had a circus or child connection. Killer Croc and Mad Hatter come to mind instantly, but you could leave it at Boss Zucco moving in on Falcone's unclaimed territory.

I don't believe Robin should be a focus for any Batman movie. I believe he should be supporting cast, like Lucious Fox or Captain Gordon.

Cast:
Hunter Gomez keeps coming up, Taylor Lautner is pretty intense in his look. Cameron Bright would have been awesome a few years ago.
 
I think that Nolan and Bale's minds might be changed.

Bale especially LOVES Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman. Now, Frank Miller is giving his interpretation of Robin in a gritty story "ALL STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN THE BOY WONDER" I think that it might change his mind a little.

-R

I don't want Robin to be in the series period.

It's not one of my better pieces but I like a design like this for the costume.

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Although that sort of costume design I wouldn't mind.
 
Hmmm... My thoughts on adapting Robin? Let's not.
 
I think that Nolan and Bale's minds might be changed.

Bale especially LOVES Frank Miller's interpretation of Batman. Now, Frank Miller is giving his interpretation of Robin in a gritty story "ALL STAR BATMAN AND ROBIN THE BOY WONDER" I think that it might change his mind a little.

-R

I'd love to see that. Bruce is a real hard-ass on Robin. And emotionally, physically, and mentally wears him down just so he can become a replacement when Bruce gives up his Batman mantle.

I think if I were to start it, have where Bruce feels sorry the kid lost his parents and he finds the kid relateable, but he doesn't want some kid staying with him, or wants to be an adoptive father to him, or anything. He totally nixes and brushes off the idea, but Alfred steps in and tells him he should do it. So he does and treats the boy like **** and shows he doesn't want any part of him staying at his house but eventually in the end he welcomes the idea and Robin becomes like a son to him.
 
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It's not one of my better pieces but I like a design like this for the costume.

That would be nice, with some tweaks. :)

BTW, there's an interview at boxofficemojo where Nolan explained why he wasn't planning to adapt Robin - he doesn't hate the character, he more or less admitted he wouldn't know how to make it play for a modern audience. He explained how back in the day, apprenticeships and such were very common and it wasn't unsual to take on a young boy to train but things are different nowadays.

In other words, I could see at least a cameo.
 
That would be nice, with some tweaks. :)

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BTW, there's an interview at boxofficemojo where Nolan explained why he wasn't planning to adapt Robin - he doesn't hate the character, he more or less admitted he wouldn't know how to make it play for a modern audience. He explained how back in the day, apprenticeships and such were very common and it wasn't unsual to take on a young boy to train but things are different nowadays.

Interesting. He has a good point. I think the attitudes of many people on this forum back up his claims. Still annoys me that people don't get that, though.

In other words, I could see at least a cameo.

I think it's better to not have Robin, than to have him and not do him justice. Which I suppose is Nolan's point. I'm not sure how a cameo would work, though...
 
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Tweaks isn't a hard word to spell...:woot:

Interesting. He has a good point. I think the attitudes of many people on this forum back up his claims. Still annoys me that people don't get that, though.

What irritates me is people who claim he hates the character and constantly whip this out as an excuse of how he doesn't get it. Erm, no. He gets it, he'd just rather leave this to someone who has the confidence to make it work. IMO, that's better than him putting the character in just because. Besides, Batman is still a novice in these films and Robin is probably a few years off yet.


I think it's better to not have Robin, than to have him and not do him justice. Which I suppose is Nolan's point. I'm not sure how a cameo would work, though...


It could be something as simple as Bruce seeing a poster for the circus. It's subtle a nice little nod for the fans.
 
What irritates me is people who claim he hates the character and constantly whip this out as an excuse of how he doesn't get it. Erm, no. He gets it, he'd just rather leave this to someone who has the confidence to make it work.
I'm not so sure about that.

This is coming from the same guy that needed Goyer to co-write the script, and tons of material to form the characters. Not to say any of that is bad, just that it shows Nolan isn't the most well-versed in the mythos.

After all, he also said he's not so sure how Penguin would work in film...of all villains. Wouldn't surprise me if his only exposure was Batman Returns. And with Robin, he probably got turned off by Schumacher's films. Someone just needs to point him in the right direction. But alas, this is pointless as Nolan most likely won't be helming by the time Robin is needed in this franchise again.
 
I'm not so sure about that.

This is coming from the same guy that needed Goyer to co-write the script, and tons of material to form the characters. Not to say any of that is bad, just that it shows Nolan isn't the most well-versed in the mythos.

After all, he also said he's not so sure how Penguin would work in film...of all villains. Wouldn't surprise me if his only exposure was Batman Returns. And with Robin, he probably got turned off by Schumacher's films. Someone just needs to point him in the right direction. But alas, this is pointless as Nolan most likely won't be helming by the time Robin is needed in this franchise again.

Well, I agreed with the last part. ;)

You're right about his not being completely well-versed in the mythos - because he admitted that in the interview (dammit, I should dig out a link, it was good!) but he's certainly read a lot, which is why that Penguin comment was baffling. But as a whole, I think he does get it.
 
Tweaks isn't a hard word to spell...:woot:

I would tend to agree with you, but you should see the number of times people type "tweeks" around here... makes my skin crawl.
What irritates me is people who claim he hates the character and constantly whip this out as an excuse of how he doesn't get it. Erm, no. He gets it, he'd just rather leave this to someone who has the confidence to make it work. IMO, that's better than him putting the character in just because. Besides, Batman is still a novice in these films and Robin is probably a few years off yet.

Yeah, I agree with every word of that. :up:

It could be something as simple as Bruce seeing a poster for the circus. It's subtle a nice little nod for the fans.

I could definitely handle that. :up: What was it supposed to be, Haley's Circus or something like that? Good times.
 
Nice design though. :up: it reminds me of Jason Todds costume

Didn't Jason only ever wear the traditional pre-crisis style Dick Grayson Robin costume? That's all I've ever seen him in.

Tim Drake was the one who got a truly re-designed Robin costume.
 
Didn't Jason only ever wear the traditional pre-crisis style Dick Grayson Robin costume? That's all I've ever seen him in.

Yep.

Tim Drake was the one who got a truly re-designed Robin costume.

Also yep. Bruce told Tim that Dick had made the original suit a symbol, a legend. And Jason had died wearing it. He said that was a burden that Tim shouldn't have to bear.

Of course the truth was that Neal Adams had designed the new costume when Robin was going to be in Batman Returns. That of course did not pan out, but the suit design was laying around and DC felt that the existing Robin suit was kinda cheesy and needed to be replaced.
 
He needs to be a pre-teen and not someone that patrols with Batman. His work should be done in the cave save for maybe one scene where he suits up and has to bail Batman out of trouble. Costume should have a hood like the Justice Leaguer's on Smallville.
 
If you're going to butcher the character like that, minds as well just not adapt him at all. Either bring him to the screen with justice, or don't do it, period.
 

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