The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[GL1]

People wouldn't find it strange that a billionaire play boy adopts a kid.. ya that kidn of needs to be fixed

So fix THAT part, instead of rewriting the whole thing.

ie Grayson is a witness in the Zucco case that needs to be protected, the Gotham Police are too corrupt to do it, and Gordon's got his own problems and can't do it. Bruce has to take him in temporarily and it sticks.

See? Don't change the origin just to change it, you take away all the GOOD parts of Robin's character by doing so.

Now it's hard to pull Robin off in a movie, because even if he's trained by the greatest, people aren't going to buy a 13 year old kid kicking the **** out of a full grown man. So it is hard to pull off. So people automatically wanna make him older. Which ruins the story IMO. Look at Batman Forever. That Dick Grayson is old enough to drive and live on his own. It's impossible for Bruce to even adopt him. There is NO father/son dynamic there at all, which I believe is the core of the Robin story.

Keep Robin young. But it's difficult to pull off. It's a Catch 22. I know.

You know what would fix that problem completely? If people would remember it takes about 5 years of training to be a vigilante. Bruce took 7 on his own, not counting his formal schooling. If he's training someone else, he could probably knock it down to 5. Meaning if Robin comes in at 18, acrobat or not, he shouldn't be able to be Robin (rappelling, driving, be a ninja, master several other martial arts, being a forensic scientist, having some intuition about crime in general, have excellent marksmanship, and more) until he's 23. If Robin comes in at 11, like in the comics, then at 16 years old he'll have five years of Bat-Training and him ninjaing on some thugs will seem at least vaguely plausible.

Once again, the comics aren't broken... don't let the bright costume fool you. Robin should come in as a child and spent 3-7 years training.

Also, Robin doesn't have to kick butt in a movie, just him being around, not getting hit, and causing havok would be more than enough to portray the idea of Robin with out breaking size and age expectations, which actually do play roles in fights, even though they can be overcome.

 

[COMPO]

i liked how in BF that Robin saved Batman stressing the fact that Batman needs backup or some help from time to time.

 

[Buttman]

Size and age mean absolutely nothing in a fight.

You're completely and utterly wrong.

 

[COMPO]

kids learn karate at an early age anyway and can learn moves to take down larger people.

 

[GL1]

You're completely and utterly wrong.

Actually, he's not completely and utterly wrong, because that would be saying that size and age mean everything in a fight, which is not true. Skill plays a large part as well and age, outside of its effects on physique, experience and flexibility, actually does mean nothing.

Hence, he is only mostly wrong, or wrong to a large degree, as opposed to being completely and utterly wrong.

Just nitpicking.

 

[COMPO]

i know there are moves in karate and martial arts to allow children to take down taller people.

 

[Crook]

You're completely and utterly wrong.

Not really. Age has absolutely nothing to do with how well you do in a fight. I've seen Grand Masters take down young martial artist hot-shots in 2 seconds flat. And I've also seen 16 year olds take down people in their mid 30s.

As for size, maybe I shouldn't have said it has "nothing" to contribute in a fight, it surely might help. But I still uphold the belief, that skill, more than anything, ultimately determines the victor.

Unless you count luck. But I'll leave that out.

 

[Compi716]

I think they should go the "Dark Victory" route when it comes to adapting Robin. I wouldn't mind him being introduced as a kid at all. That way, he lives with Wayne, trains with Wayne, and learns to become Robin over a course of YEARS. By his teenage years, he can fully adopt the Robin mantle.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

That's a bit contradictory, don't you think? Size and age mean absolutely nothing in a fight. Since this is Robin we're talking about, being trained by the goddamn Batman, I don't see how it's far-fetched to see a trained acrobat running circles around hired thugs.

I didn't say I had a problem with it, I just think the general audience would.

 

[Crook]

Well it's also a bit of common sense, which I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the general audience.

If Robin starts picking apart 6 guys toting machine guns and such, then ok, I can see why that would look ridiculous. But unarmed, and taking 'em on one by one? I think it's reasonable.

This also depends on the fighting style they decide to use, if Robin is ever featured. It's important to make it look real and brutal. It can't look like a ballet, with the thugs obviously holding back because they're fighting a kid.

 

[DaddyGrayson]

Well it's also a bit of common sense, which I'll give the benefit of the doubt to the general audience.

If Robin starts picking apart 6 guys toting machine guns and such, then ok, I can see why that would look ridiculous. But unarmed, and taking 'em on one by one? I think it's reasonable.

This also depends on the fighting style they decide to use, if Robin is ever featured. It's important to make it look real and brutal. It can't look like a ballet, with the thugs obviously holding back because they're fighting a kid.

Agreed. I've got nothing but love for the Robin character (in its Grayson/Todd incarnations, hints the name) and would love to see him properly and faithfully translated to the big screen.

 

[ron bond 007]

I think the Dark Victory comic miniseries would make a great Batman movie not only because it has Robin in it but it has multiple villians in it inculding my favorites ie.The Joker,the Riddler and Mr.Freeze. I hope a Batmanark Victory movie will be the fourth Batman movie and it will come out sometime in the next decade.

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[COMPO]

i wonder if they'll have a scene in the third film from DV where the bad guys find the cave.

 

[Danielson]

I say introduce him in 3, he's real young and unlike the other ones, you fastforward a few years, not anything rediculous, until Dick can drive, so 16, he finds him when he's 13, the movie ends on his 16th birthday and Bruce gives him a motorcycle or something cool.

In movie 4, we do some stuff similar to Mr and Mrs Smith where they both leave and need to find excuses, then we have a scene sort of like TMNT with Casey Jones and Raph where they find out who they are.

I LOVE the idea of Robin doing the free runner stuff, that's stuff is amazing, if you don't know what it is, I suggest you check it out.

K, so then Batman starts to formally train Dick, who on his own has learned Jiu Jitsu and Free running and Caporeia (correct me, it's the dance fighting stuff) to suit his size. Nearing the end of training, Bruce/Batman says "so, what about a symbol?" and he does the whole costume/fear stuff.

Robin comes back with a suit, similar to one already posted, the darker, but not black one, and he has the traditional mask on, Bruce is like "I guess that mask makes it so that no one knows who you are huh?" and if those bastards at WB want to combine Superman and Batman, he can reference that with a little wink by saying something like "you might as well wear glasses all the time and when you go out, take them off"

Basically the last part is Bruce telling him the foolishness of a small mask hiding his identity, so he gives him a better one, dunno what it'll look like, but something.

 

[COMPO]

i think robin should come in the fourth film, cos the second film is about things getting worse before they can get better, the third i assume will be duality and i think fourth should be about loss with Batman dealing with the loss of dent and Robin dealing with the loss of his parents.

 

[Hannibal Harm]

In the DVD extras for Begins, didn't Nolan have a storyboard for introducing Dick Grayson? I think Robin is integral to the Batman legend and he should definately be included at some point in the next two films. The nemesis count starts to get bigger from here on, so it'd be good to see how Batman trains Dick Grayson out of necessity.

But yeah, he has to be introduced and Nolan knows how to do that.

 

[Gallagher]

If Grayson was to be introduced I would want one thing. A training session that completely mirrors that of Ducard/Bruce's one. With similar dialouge and the 'its not your fault your parents died, it was your fathers' line (Im paraphrasing there).

I think that'd be a really strong parallel to emphasize the similarities in Bruce and Dick

 

[Secret Fawful]

Here's how it should be done.


The old circus parents death.
Dick taken in by Bruce Wayne.
Dick goes on a rampage against criminals on his own as Robin behind Bruce's back, even resorting to sneaking into Arkham and picking on the Joker, by telling him a new vigilante is in town (ala Nightwing Year 100).
Bruce finds out about a new vigilante who they say can really fly.
At some point Batman and Robin confront each other.
Robin says he doesn't need help. Batman says he won't help a kid, he has no time, but tells Robin to go see an old friend, and drops a clue of some sort, leading Robin to the new League of Shadows, headed up by Talia al Ghul.
Robin does something to get into training, and trains with that one assassin...forgot his name. David Cain? Forgot. Meanwhile Robin starts to outclass even Deathstroke, and Deathstroke becomes a jealous villain bent on pushing down Robin. (I'm a fan of the chemistry between Robin and Deathstroke in Teen Titans, and would love to see something similar in a Batman story.)
Robin eventually perseveres, but ends up refusing to kill Deathstroke after a confrontation, leading to becoming an outcast from the League.
Dick goes home disgraced, but that night, as Bruce is entertaining a guest (Diana, Selina, who knows), Dick finds the Batcave. He then forces himself on Batman, and they form a partnership, after Robin tells Batman how he refused to kill Deathstroke, and was kicked out of the League.

That's it. You have your realistic Nolanized Robin, as long as he has a dark red/blackish suit.

 

[GL1]

If Grayson was to be introduced I would want one thing. A training session that completely mirrors that of Ducard/Bruce's one. With similar dialouge and the 'its not your fault your parents died, it was your fathers' line (Im paraphrasing there).

I think that'd be a really strong parallel to emphasize the similarities in Bruce and Dick

Now THAT's a good scene!!!

I'm not down for all this teenage super-fighter stuff, or someone being 'self trained...' (which, like, who does? You can't train yourself in something you don't know yet, everyone has a teacher, even if it's a video.), but that would be a glorious way to emphasize not only Robin's parallelism, but also Bruce's, as he becomes darker, and therefore, more... totalitarian. More ruthless, more 'willing to do whatever it takes' and THAT is great parallelism.

He then forces himself on Batman

Oh NOES!!!! Not Batman!!! (j/k)
What skills or equipment would Robin have that would allow him to go on a rampage?
Why would Bruce send Robin to the League of Shadows? Doesn't he hate them?

 

[Secret Fawful]

He doesn't hate them, just their methods. My idea was Robin infiltrating the League as training.

 

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[Karem-Knight]

The main issue in Begins for Bruce was the lack of a father figure, sure he had Alfred and Gordon, but it still has affected Bruce considerably. Nolan has been setting up the father figure more then the mother for a reason, me think.

Bruce lost his parents to a criminal; Dick lost his parents to a criminal, both saw it happen right in front of their eyes, hell both even had the exact same pose when they died, knowing his pain. Bruce takes Dick to be his adopted son.

While he takes him, Batman goes on the look out for Harvey Dent aka Two-Face and Tony Zucco who owned the circus that Dick worked in, Dick alsot begins looking for Zucco only to be saved by Bats ala Dark Victory, Batman tells Dick it’s not worth it and to go home.

The next morning while Batman is out in the city, Dick stumbles upon the key board and accidentally opens the Batcave up, Alfred tries to stop him but Dick goes into the cave finding out Bruce’s secret, Bruce finds out about this and like Nowufacedoom said, a training sequence that mirrors Brcue and Ducard’s training session only with Bruce and Dick, finally Bruce let’s Dick come face to face with his parent’s killer only for him to be killed by Two-Face.

Just in time for the final show down between Batman and the villains, Bruce goes not letting Dick come with him, Dick fearing the worse steals equipment and makes his own suit, naming himself Robin after his parent’s nickname.

When Dick shows what a great fighter he is, the movie ends with Batman and Robin looking over Gotham City.

 

[wellsy]

http://www.jdevito.com

One word: awesome.

 

[hegele]

If Robin ever does come in, I wouldn't want his introduction as Dick and as Robin to be in the same film. We should see Dick and his situation, ***** hits the fan, Wayne doesn't even think of letting the kid help, he saves the day on his own but looses something great (maybe Dawes gets killed) because he couldn't be two places at once. We ease Robin into the game. Maybe Wayne NEVER fully lets him.

 

[SouLeSS]

I can see them introing him sometime in this movie and getting him set up as waynes ward.

Then the next movie is set a bit in the future (like mayyyyyyyyyyybe two years), and by then Dick has figured it all out and starts training on his own because Bruce doesn't allow him to fight crime with him, but at the very end right before the credits of the third film its bruce telling dick to suit up and he hands him a costume.

I dunno, thats how I'd want them to adapt him into it. Leave it open ended for when the trilogoy is over.