The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

[Logan Howlett]

Is there anyone here who can manip/draw?

 

[CaptainClown]

you should probably ask that question in the fan art section

 

[Logan Howlett]

I did, and it gets passed over every time. Ya see I wanted to see someone do the version of Robin I suggested earlier.

 

[CaptainClown]

what is it out of curiousity

 

[Logan Howlett]

I still think the best idea is what I said early on. Have Dick on his own vigilanty crusade to avenge his parents, having barely disguised his face with a black eye mask. Have him wearing some red leather racing jacket with an R on it for the racing brand of that jacket, the rest would just be blue jeans and strap/biker boots and motorcycle gloves. A realy cool basic look, and maybe even long hair, or shoulder length. When people first catch a glimps of him the media dubbs him Robin, Red Robin, or Robin Hood of Gotham. After Batman finds him and tries to stop him from hurting the wrong people out of his own anger they fight for a little while and then eventualy team up. Batman gives him a suit from his old gear (Either BB or Dark Knight armor) and Dick modifies it himself placing a dark blue V or Birdlike symbol on the chest. Batman and Alfred design a new mask for him that has some protective feature to it, but the coolest upgrade on the suit is instead of a cape dick takes the memory cloth and runs in between his under arms, creating a kind of Base Jumper winged look. and without the current run through them you can't even see them. I think thats the perfect way, and if anyone could draw or do a manip of both I would be very impressed.

Except maybe change the first part to sunglases instead on the mask. Color choice is up to the artist/maniper.

 

[Logan Howlett]

And by that second costume you would see Dick go from Robin to Night Wing all in one movie. Cuts out the camp that way IMO.

 

[Reflectionist]

If I had like, a rough model of a human to go from and trace over, I could certainly do it. But I suck at drawing figures. I can put any kind of clothes on him that you want though.

EDIT - Oh this idea just hit me.... What if Robin used a motorbike in conjuction with the minimal memory cloth to kind of do hang gliding? Would that work?

 

[CaptainClown]

Well this was my old Robin Concept a while ago. I have a story all written up I just decided I didn't want to draw it. It was basically a motorcycle orientated graysons. I think I have a lame poster of it too

 

[Reflectionist]

If the nickname "Red Robin" was already attributed to a member of the Grayson family, then it would be very stupid for Dick to adopt "Robin" as his name if he were to fight alongside Bruce. It would be too easy to figure out his identity. A simple internet search (keeping Nolan's Batman more within Reality than the Impossible) would confirm the results. A simple promotional picture of the Flying Graysons and a simple Media shot of this "Robin" character. Too easy indeed.

Maybe if Dick knew that his father had gone by the "Red Robin" name in High School or something, and not many people knew about it, then it might be possible. Or, heck, even if it was a nickname with his own friends he had. Then it'd be possible.

 

[Logan Howlett]

Well this was my old Robin Concept a while ago. I have a story all written up I just decided I didn't want to draw it. It was basically a motorcycle orientated graysons. I think I have a lame poster of it too

I love this idea! Having them as motorcycle acrobatics as well as general acrobatics. It works perfectly with my idea. And I jnever thought of Croc being a circus freak from the same circus.

And I will post a picture soon to use as a model for the manip if Reflectionist still wants to make it. And yea i like that idea of yours.

 

[robinjr]

can some one color that pic in with red and black.

 

[Logan Howlett]

If the nickname "Red Robin" was already attributed to a member of the Grayson family, then it would be very stupid for Dick to adopt "Robin" as his name if he were to fight alongside Bruce. It would be too easy to figure out his identity. A simple internet search (keeping Nolan's Batman more within Reality than the Impossible) would confirm the results. A simple promotional picture of the Flying Graysons and a simple Media shot of this "Robin" character. Too easy indeed.

Maybe if Dick knew that his father had gone by the "Red Robin" name in High School or something, and not many people knew about it, then it might be possible. Or, heck, even if it was a nickname with his own friends he had. Then it'd be possible.

I think the Jacket he wears should be a Red Robin Racing brand and thats how the media gives him that name. It works in that modern Nolan way.

 

[CaptainClown]

well its my lore and i decided him to be named after his father especially since everyone thinks the red robin is dead

 

[Logan Howlett]

Well this is whom I think should play him, either him or myself, and to be honest alot of it has to do with the fact that when we met we acknoledged the fact that we look alike....so anyways. His name is Taylor Kitsch and we met on the set of his show Friday Night Lights (I was an extra) and he seems like he could pull it off (although I'd do better) and hes been on that show for a while and also seen in the movie The Covenant. The only reason I didn't put up a pic of myself is because I don't have any good flatering photos of myself right now and I look alot differnt now than I do in my old pictures.....you can see those on my myspace (link below in sig).

And this next one is from a scene from the covenant that realy made me think he could pull off the role.

The next two shots are what I would like to see maniped for the first costume idea, pre involvment with Batman, just as I described above. And perhaps whoever does it could photoshop Taylor's head onto one or both of these.

And for the second costume idea I wanted to use a shot of Bruce in the gear when he is wearing the ski mask and no cape and do a manip from there, but i couldn't find a pic of that.

 

[Killing Joke926]

Well this is whom I think should play him, either him or myself, and to be honest alot of it has to do with the fact that when we met we acknoledged the fact that we look alike....so anyways. His name is Taylor Kitsch and we met on the set of his show Friday Night Lights (I was an extra) and he seems like he could pull it off (although I'd do better) and hes been on that show for a while and also seen in the movie The Covenant. The only reason I didn't put up a pic of myself is because I don't have any good flatering photos of myself right now and I look alot differnt now than I do in my old pictures.....you can see those on my myspace (link below in sig).

And this next one is from a scene from the covenant that realy made me think he could pull off the role.

The next two shots are what I would like to see maniped for the first costume idea, pre involvment with Batman, just as I described above. And perhaps whoever does it could photoshop Taylor's head onto one or both of these.

And for the second costume idea I wanted to use a shot of Bruce in the gear when he is wearing the ski mask and no cape and do a manip from there, but i couldn't find a pic of that.

Someone's conceded.

Spoiler

Nah, I'm just teasen' ya.t: Strange that I'm actually drawing concept of Nightwing with that Sons of Batman look.

 

[Logan Howlett]

Lol I was just kidding in certain parts I'm sure he could do just as good as I would do

 

[Mr. Socko]

For those who don't know, Kitsch was the guy making out with his girlfriend in the bathroom in Snakes On a Plane(they were the first to be attacked). He also had a small role in John Tucker Must Die

I like him but I think he's just too old for Robin. I wouldn't want another robin in his late 20s. back to the drawing board.

 

[Logan Howlett]

He's young enough to play 18, and in my idea and reasoning, Robin couldn't be a minor. Wouldn't work in Nolans universe and everyone knows that. He would never do it.....so I'll keep it on the board

 

[Mr. Socko]

He's young enough to play 18, and in my idea and reasoning, Robin couldn't be a minor. Wouldn't work in Nolans universe and everyone knows that. He would never do it.....so I'll keep it on the board

Please, Don't use the R word.

 

[Logan Howlett]

R word?

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

R word?

R********

 

[Mr. Socko]

Spoiler

realism

 

[VictorFriese]

I don't know, man. Begins' made it seem like Bruce's Princeton experience was little more than a single semester. And then again, what we've seen of Bruce so far is a very young and naive person. Even for being Batman. He's not going to know those things for a while, and that's only if nothing further develops his character, and it just evolves on it's own.

Well, the Princeton education isn't as much a focal point as the fact Bruce has a fair grasp of the world and has some understanding of the world. One scene comes to mind in Braveheart (yea, unrelated, I know) where William Wallace's uncle goes "You've got to learn how to use this (points to his head), before I teach you to learn this (holds the sword out)." Similar philosophy between the two. If we need a practical Nolan Robin, he's gotta be a young adult.

It worked well in Batman Returns, with Bruce revealing his identity to Selina Kyle and Max Schrek. It worked extremely well, and in fact, I would almost base Bale's fully mature Batman on this portrayal of Batman by Keaton. Everything Keaton did had an air of reluctant but necessary.

Again, realism. Sure it worked somewhat with Selena Kyle and Schrek, but that was a totally different context. If the great BB writers are able to create a similar situation (high tension, high drama, little room for exposure to the public) then I'm all for a "tearing off" of the mask. Otherwise, I don't see Bruce going "Well Dick, this is my Batcave. Did I forget to tell you I'm Batman? Let's get to training!" Now thats an overstatement, but you get what I'm saying about the story premise.

And BTW, FINALLY someone agrees with me on the No Domino Mask rule! whew t:

 

[GL1]

A young adult Robin is redundant, he's just a Batman-lite.

A Robin as a solo vigilante is unbelievable, no one can do what Batman does without extensive training.

Best bet is use a child or young adolescent Grayson character as supporting cast in the same way Alfred and Lucious are supporting cast. If the character catches and is around, being trained for multiple movies, they can then put on some sort of costume to do something in the streets, likely recon and stuff.

Much of the "Adapting Robin" to be realistic involves making him just Grayson, at least at first.

The training should be for a replacement, which is something Bruce would conceivably do for a kid with no other options... not for a sidekick, which is something inconceivable for Bruce, even if Grayson were a young adult.

And the "adoption" has to be forced ie Grayson is a key witness and the corrupt police force won't protect him;

The reveal of who the Batman is has to be high tension/drama/no public exposure, as weas said before.

And yes, no domino mask, when and IF he does get a costume. But generally, Robin in costume, especially in his first appearnce in a movie is NOT realistic. Perhaps if the movie had a five year gap and you replaced the younger actor with an older one, Lion King style. But otherwise, I don't see there being a costume for Grayson and it being realistic. At least, I haven't heard a realistic explanation for giving either a child or a newcomer, however old he may be, a costume. (With the possible exception of him being an experienced vigilante on it's own, a thing which itself is unrealistic).

 

[Logan Howlett]

A young adult Robin is redundant, he's just a Batman-lite.

A Robin as a solo vigilante is unbelievable, no one can do what Batman does without extensive training.

Best bet is use a child or young adolescent Grayson character as supporting cast in the same way Alfred and Lucious are supporting cast. If the character catches and is around, being trained for multiple movies, they can then put on some sort of costume to do something in the streets, likely recon and stuff.

Much of the "Adapting Robin" to be realistic involves making him just Grayson, at least at first.

The training should be for a replacement, which is something Bruce would conceivably do for a kid with no other options... not for a sidekick, which is something inconceivable for Bruce, even if Grayson were a young adult.

And the "adoption" has to be forced ie Grayson is a key witness and the corrupt police force won't protect him;

The reveal of who the Batman is has to be high tension/drama/no public exposure, as weas said before.

And yes, no domino mask, when and IF he does get a costume. But generally, Robin in costume, especially in his first appearnce in a movie is NOT realistic. Perhaps if the movie had a five year gap and you replaced the younger actor with an older one, Lion King style. But otherwise, I don't see there being a costume for Grayson and it being realistic. At least, I haven't heard a realistic explanation for giving either a child or a newcomer, however old he may be, a costume. (With the possible exception of him being an experienced vigilante on it's own, a thing which itself is unrealistic).

Ok number one, Robin is a Batman-lite character. Thats how hes been written for the last twenty years, same as Nightwing. Thems just the facts bub.

Number two......DUH! Dick Grayson in the comics had been a circus performer all of his life. He was gymnist, and acrobat, and a stuntman.....why would that change? On top of that why would it be incocievable to believe that he was trained in martial arts by either his parent or another carnie since he was a child? Personaly I think it makes perfect sense.

Now I'm with you on the matter that Batman would never let a child take up a fight against crime, or even someone that he didn't know that well Thats why in my idea he is first of all at least 18, just a couple of years younger than Bruce was when he started his trainig, and also he doesn't start out buddy buddy with Bruce, he becomes a vigilanty, not a great one who is doing something near as good as Batman, but just a pissed off, well trained circus orphan whos out for revenge and starts killing (or nearly killing) mob bosses. When Bats and him first meet up theres not a "Hey there poor little orphan, stay with me in my giant manor" moment, no the fight! The kick the S**t out of each other! Then later down the road after Bruce has saved Dick from a breaking point and made him realize the severity of what he is doing Batman gives him some of his old gear for protection knowing that he can't stop him so he might as well help him so he doesn't wind up dead. It makes perfect sense, well at least the most sense that you could get out of a story like that.