The Dark Knight Rises Adapting Robin

Ok number one, Robin is a Batman-lite character. Thats how hes been written for the last twenty years, same as Nightwing. Thems just the facts bub.

Number two......DUH! Dick Grayson in the comics had been a circus performer all of his life. He was gymnist, and acrobat, and a stuntman.....why would that change? On top of that why would it be incocievable to believe that he was trained in martial arts by either his parent or another carnie since he was a child? Personaly I think it makes perfect sense.

Now I'm with you on the matter that Batman would never let a child take up a fight against crime, or even someone that he didn't know that well Thats why in my idea he is first of all at least 18, just a couple of years younger than Bruce was when he started his trainig, and also he doesn't start out buddy buddy with Bruce, he becomes a vigilanty, not a great one who is doing something near as good as Batman, but just a pissed off, well trained circus orphan whos out for revenge and starts killing (or nearly killing) mob bosses. When Bats and him first meet up theres not a "Hey there poor little orphan, stay with me in my giant manor" moment, no the fight! The kick the S**t out of each other! Then later down the road after Bruce has saved Dick from a breaking point and made him realize the severity of what he is doing Batman gives him some of his old gear for protection knowing that he can't stop him so he might as well help him so he doesn't wind up dead. It makes perfect sense, well at least the most sense that you could get out of a story like that.


Thats what I'm saying, Logan! Robin is pretty much a Batman-lite - as for his training...he's a circus performer, its hard to imagine he wouldn't have some sort of skill involved.

As for your storyline Logan, thats exactly how it should play out. Batman doesn't know who this "rogue vigilante" is and he doesn't care - what he does care about is that the kid is cramping his style and making a mess of things, and will probably get himself killed. Batman intercepts him, they fight and Dick continually tries to enter Batman's world, Batman of course refusing such a breach.
 
I just realised, without reading the previous posts so i don't know if this was already mentioned,
but Robin or Nightwing would work really well, or perhaps best, in a situation like No Man's Land or Knightfall.
Where Batman is in a situation that is so overwhelming and so over his head that he cannot risk refusing help.
In these situations though Robin or Nightwing would be more like a part of Batman's army, which would also include Alfred, Gordon, and perhaps Fox, that it wouldn't really seem unrealistic that he would take on a partner like Robin or Nightwing.
 
yeah thats how it should play out. But, have him save Batman's life somehow.
 
that looks cool and its makes Robin look more scary and threatening. I think they might go down that path.
 
Well right now Im working on a quasi Robin Manip, more or less the Robin in training get up, because I agree... to rush it... it would seem forced, much like Venom in Spider-man 3. I have my differences of oppinions. I think the character should be 16, I think its old enough to take on the physical responsibilities, but young enough and immature enough to always want to make the right choice. IE I would love if he had a problem being too rough or nearly killing a few foes. The problem with a 13 year old, is its just not even safe, and not really accurate to Nolan's world. If you go 18 or 20, then you have Chris O'donnell all over again, so I say go with an older teenager, but someone that could very easily be lost, and it takes Bruce's sympathy to help him, albeit reluctantly.

I think a great way to imply Grayson's presence would be to have Batman show up to a scene and the criminals are already taken care of a few times, but no one even realizes a difference, they still think its Batman all along. And none of the foolish "You're taking credit for my work" type thing from Grayson, I think itd be important to his character to simply worry that the work gets done, not who takes credit for it, that way Bruce/Bats will know his heart is in the right place. Which leads me to where they intersect and that is Grayson not leaving soon enough and running into Bats, and him questioning him. Urging him to give it up, that he (bats) can take care of it, and its not a life he wants etc etc. I dont think Bats should even realize or know who this kid is for a while. Then by the later portion of the movie, Grayson gets over his head and nearly gets killed, and Batman shows up and takes him back to the cave, where he again insists that he must stop. I think it would be due for an emotional scene between the two at this point. Not corny and cliche, but truly emotional. I dont think Alfred should necissarily encourage Grayson, but should point out to Bruce that all the concerns Bruce have, are the same that he had when Batman began (hahahaha). Just pointing out that they are much more alike than he realizes, and also pointing out that the kid will continue what he does with or with out Batman's approval, wouldnt it be better for him to have someone to turn to for help if he needs it. "Since when did the problem with Gotham City become there are too many people trying to make a difference and rid the city of its evil master wayne? When do you ever say no to Lt. Gordon when he offers his hand for help, isnt he in just as much danger? Mr Fox all the same?"


I like it.
 
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Its not the greatest thing in the world, this is just how I would imagine doing it... this is how Id do it.
 
You minds as well just not even adapt Robin if you're not at least gonna follow the basic design elements of the character.
 
Well sir, this is the Dick Grayson before he comes under Bruce's wing. This is what Dick puts together to conceal his identity and still fight crime, Im currently working on my Robin manip using the actual armor, because I agree, whats the point if its not even recognizable. Best thing to do is just relate that to Peter Parker's wrestling get up, only this wont be so terrible :P jk.
 
If anyone can get me a good clear picture of the armor from wayne corp preferably before it is turned into the Batsuit, it would be much appreciated.. Or if that is not possible, a good clear picture of the batsuit from the current movies, cause im having a hell of a time tracking one down.
 
Ok number one, Robin is a Batman-lite character. Thats how hes been written for the last twenty years, same as Nightwing. Thems just the facts bub.

Number two......DUH! Dick Grayson in the comics had been a circus performer all of his life. He was gymnist, and acrobat, and a stuntman.....why would that change? On top of that why would it be incocievable to believe that he was trained in martial arts by either his parent or another carnie since he was a child? Personaly I think it makes perfect sense.

Now I'm with you on the matter that Batman would never let a child take up a fight against crime, or even someone that he didn't know that well Thats why in my idea he is first of all at least 18, just a couple of years younger than Bruce was when he started his trainig, and also he doesn't start out buddy buddy with Bruce, he becomes a vigilanty, not a great one who is doing something near as good as Batman, but just a pissed off, well trained circus orphan whos out for revenge and starts killing (or nearly killing) mob bosses. When Bats and him first meet up theres not a "Hey there poor little orphan, stay with me in my giant manor" moment, no the fight! The kick the S**t out of each other! Then later down the road after Bruce has saved Dick from a breaking point and made him realize the severity of what he is doing Batman gives him some of his old gear for protection knowing that he can't stop him so he might as well help him so he doesn't wind up dead. It makes perfect sense, well at least the most sense that you could get out of a story like that.


1) Yes, if you just look at the pictures, Robin has always been Batman lite. For the last twenty years however, both Dick and Tim have differed dramatically from Batman is storyline and personality, the things that make movies great.

I believe if Grayson is done right, then Robin becomes an afterthought, hardly even necessary beyond being a nod to the comics.

2) Because I've never seen martial arts at a Circus, there's no reason for me to believe that circuses have martial arts masters. The Martial arts masters I know (okay, just the one) don't consider their Art a performace art, and only use it as such at Martial arts shows.

Furthermore, martial arts training does not a vigilante make. Batman has the training necessary to fight groups of men with firearms... Grayson could not possibly receive that at a circus, and thus, a vigilante career for someone with his lack of experience, size and protection would certainly end in quick if not immediate death, just as if you or I ran out in the worst part of town at night trying to 'catch criminals.'

:brucebat:

And that's just random drug addicts, to say nothing of actual organized crime, like the mob.

And if people would let go of the notion that Dick has to be Robin in the same movie or year that he meets Batman, then they would almost certainly come up with a story that makes much more sense than a redundant Batman, or a kid going out and taking out the mob with circus training. Perhaps we should just send our police to the circus... or better yet, their kids.
 
he could just be fighting low-level thugs who only use bats or something. But, to say that he could take them on would be stupid, he could try and get beat up.
 
i still dont buy into the whole nolan robin deal, but if he had to be done, is ellen page too old to do a D.K.R.-esque interpretation of robin?
 
1) Yes, if you just look at the pictures, Robin has always been Batman lite. For the last twenty years however, both Dick and Tim have differed dramatically from Batman is storyline and personality, the things that make movies great.

I believe if Grayson is done right, then Robin becomes an afterthought, hardly even necessary beyond being a nod to the comics.

2) Because I've never seen martial arts at a Circus, there's no reason for me to believe that circuses have martial arts masters. The Martial arts masters I know (okay, just the one) don't consider their Art a performace art, and only use it as such at Martial arts shows.

Furthermore, martial arts training does not a vigilante make. Batman has the training necessary to fight groups of men with firearms... Grayson could not possibly receive that at a circus, and thus, a vigilante career for someone with his lack of experience, size and protection would certainly end in quick if not immediate death, just as if you or I ran out in the worst part of town at night trying to 'catch criminals.'

:brucebat:

And that's just random drug addicts, to say nothing of actual organized crime, like the mob.

And if people would let go of the notion that Dick has to be Robin in the same movie or year that he meets Batman, then they would almost certainly come up with a story that makes much more sense than a redundant Batman, or a kid going out and taking out the mob with circus training. Perhaps we should just send our police to the circus... or better yet, their kids.

A lot of Cirque de Soleil acrobats are also trained in various forms of matrial arts, because it helps train the muscles and keeps the whole body flexible. I'm certain this applies to other acrobat groups as well.

I agree if your last point though - if they're going to have Dick go after the mob, he should fail and get saved by Bats, and then trained and become Robin. Defeating a bunch of gangsters, even with martial arts training, as a young teen acrobat is just silly.
 
why not skip robin and go straight to nightwing? sure, alot of fanboys would **** themselves....but why not?
 
Because his Robin days are what shaped Nightwing. You'd be skipping a very integral development period of the character.
 
Because his Robin days are what shaped Nightwing. You'd be skipping a very integral development period of the character.

very true....you shouldnt sacrifice the integrity of the character just to make him alittle darker and grown up.


i am officially withdrawing my previous idea of skipping robin and going to knightwing.....


that said, i personally am more a fan of tim drakes robin than dick graysons...his origin is not as fascinating, but imo he is the most adult version of the chracter. when he stayed in bludhaven with cassie, he doesnt seem like a "sidekick"....he seems like his own man.
 
i thought about the hood thing too nice!

but how can you blend into the shadows and be a myth/symbol/somthing elemental

with bright red?

the only thing the batman and robin film had going for it were the costumes of all black batman with no yellow/gold whatsoever and the new robin costume
 
i'd pay good money to hear Bale deliver some of Batman's lines Allstar

I don't think you realise how awesome it would be to have like, a little convention thing where Christian Bale is sitting with Christopher Nolan at a press booth, and people just come up and give him lines to say in his Batman Voice.
 
Yes I know everyone hates the Idea of Robin in the movies, but I clearly don't. Here is what I think he should look like. My preference as to color
would be the green, red and black that Tim Drake wears, just much darker tones. It could also be the new red, black and yellow suit that tim wears that would work as well, maybe better I dont know, but it would have to be DARK. [\quote]

Like this maybe:
 
no robin please no robin, nothing against the character but Robin killed the Batman franchise in batman forever but i think that was down to joel schumacher rather than Chris O' Donnel.

Nolan has introduced the batman we've seen in the comics, gritty, gothic menacing and dark so y bring in robin? and is ther going to be a second sequel?
 
no robin please no robin, nothing against the character but Robin killed the Batman franchise in batman forever but i think that was down to joel schumacher rather than Chris O' Donnel.

Nolan has introduced the batman we've seen in the comics, gritty, gothic menacing and dark so y bring in robin? and is ther going to be a second sequel?

Robin didn't kill the franchise. Joel Shumaker did.

In every instance of Batman in the comics, Robin has worked to some extent.
 
I dont see Robin fitting into Nolan's universe at all, but it is a cool drawing nonetheless. This could be used as concept art for a teen titans film, even though I hope they don't ever make a film because it would be like watching a train wreck. :ninja:
 
it would have to be black and he would have to be more like nightwing.
Im gonna try and draw him.
 

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