Aerial Fight Sequence vs. Train Sequence

[Golgo-13]

1: The burning building scene is a bad example -- his Spidey Sense would be screaming anyway.

2: When in the bank scene did it not go off?

1) debatable.

2) It should have went off as soon as Doc entered the bank. It still didn't go off, even after he tossed the door of the safe in Peters direction. By that time, everybody in the bank knew Ock was tossing it because of the noise he was making, so Petes reaction to getting out the way wasn't because of his Spider sense, it was just plain average human hearing.....

 

[November Rain]

I do understand what you are saying, but this brings up the question of 'What level of danger does the Spidey Sense react to?'.

We have seen it react to Goblin in SM1 when he was just a speck in the sky, but other examples of his Sense alerting him to danger have been more of the 'direct' danger as apose to the 'possible' danger threat.

again these inconsistencies are shown in the comics

This is the way i see it.

it should give glimmers of danger to come in a long time or at least something that may happen if he doesnt act.

in a battle situation, he should only be used if perhaps he isn't aware of the danger but once he does, it should then remain off, kinda like how a phone alerts you that there is a text, but doesn't keep going off until you've read it.

I do think it should be used more but i think that based on the way the scenes are directed, it would be going off far too much, which is why i feel that raimi uses it when he chooses it to, not when it should actually be working in order to add drama or suspense to a scene.

for it to be used properly would need a complete redirecting of mos of spidey's fights.

his spider sense has been seen as possibly his least useful power but actually it is his importance but on screen,it's insignificant and hardly that pleasing to the eye to recognise.

 

[November Rain]

1) debatable.

there's nothing really to debate to here. Parker wouldn't sneak up on a goblin under a blanket because his sense should have told him it wasn't a woman...

it's an open and shut case.

he shouldnt have gotten suckered into such a obvious scheme, especially since he had already been inside to rescue the baby. Any real superhero would have tried to get them both out at the same time.

 

[Golgo-13]

I agree. But the fact that the fire might have been making his senses go off constantly, plus the fact, that this was SM 1 and he was still learning his powers, might have confused him.

 

[Kirk Langstrom]

I love the train sequence from SM 2, but my jaw hit the ground watching the aerial fight from the Spidey3 preview...so SM 3 gets my vote.

 

[Eggyman]

I agree, and I happen to think that the inconsistancies cannot be helped. If Raimi were to stay true in every scene to the Spider Sense the films would be hampered by it greatly; if the Spider Sense worked all the time as it does at some points, we would have an almost indestructable, nigh unapprouchable hero that would take away one of the most important character aspects: his vulnerabilty.

 

[November Rain]

I agree. But the fact that the fire might have been making his senses go off constantly, plus the fact, that this was SM 1 and he was still learning his powers, might have confused him.

if the sound is going off, so is his spider-sense, there is no middle ground of thinking it may or may not being doing something or the other...

it didn't go off, there was no danger of the fire setting it off, he was well aware of it, he'd already been in the building.

I doubt there's any confusion, it's simply another scene where raimi decides its not applicable in order to help with the 'drama' of the scene.

any attempt to rationalise it will just lead to inconsistencies, we might as well accept the scene wasn't done true to the character

 

[Golgo-13]

I agree, and I happen to think that the inconsistancies cannot be helped. If Raimi were to stay true in every scene to the Spider Sense the films would be hampered by it greatly; if the Spider Sense worked all the time as it does at some points, we would have an almost indestructable, nigh unapprouchable hero that would take away one of the most important character aspects: his vulnerabilty.

Mr.Raimi, is that you?

 

[Eggyman]

Doh!!! Time for a new account.

 

[CrashNburn]

I agree, and I happen to think that the inconsistancies cannot be helped. If Raimi were to stay true in every scene to the Spider Sense the films would be hampered by it greatly; if the Spider Sense worked all the time as it does at some points, we would have an almost indestructable, nigh unapprouchable hero that would take away one of the most important character aspects: his vulnerabilty.

That is a great point and am on board with your logic and I have to say that the aerial fight scene definitely gets my vote!

 

[November Rain]

well actually parker wouldn't be indestructable as he often has conflict between his natural instincts and what his intellect is telling him.

 

[Eggyman]

I have no answer for this; I am stumped. I have just give Avi a ring to see what he thinks. :P

 

[November Rain]

easy, raimi is taking the easy way out...

funny, parker's conflict between what he does and what is actually occuring was one of the main points of the second film yet there is no scene with him physically ignoring his spider-sense in an attempt to get on with real life. Although i guess the cafe scene was really one showing us he can't run away from who he is no matter how hard he tries but i would have changed the dialogeue to reiterate this.


great films are all about the lil details but no one really seems to care. That's why we are never destined to get any decent oscars in this genre

the one moment a fan starts asking for more is when people go 'hey, it's a superhero flick' and completely demean what it is to portray a character.

 

[Mr Jide]

The poll CLEARLY states that the spidey 3 aireal battle is concidered better then the trainfight from spidey 2!... Had it been reversed (meaning that if the train battle was from spidey 3 and you hadn't seen that before, and the aireal battle was from spidey 2, which you would have seen a million times before) I'll bet that the train-battle would rule the poll right now!!!... My point beeing, after seeing the trainbattle AGAIN, the aireal battle in spidey 3 (as impressive as it surdently is) is NOT more impressive then the train-battle from spidey 2; it's just NEW and FRESH!... The things happening in the train-battle sequence is just as impressive! Spidey fighting on the side of the train and falling to the street below sligthing across the ground!!! They're both MONSTER COOL!

When will you learn to stand by your convictions instead of being a 2 bit crowd pleaser, desperately seeking the approval of your peers that couldn't care less anyway??

 

[Eggyman]

easy, raimi is taking the easy way out...

funny, parker's conflict between what he does and what is actually occuring was one of the main points of the second film yet there is no scene with him physically ignoring his spider-sense in an attempt to get on with real life. Although i guess the cafe scene was really one showing us he can't run away from who he is no matter how hard he tries but i would have changed the dialogeue to reiterate this.


great films are all about the lil details but no one really seems to care. That's why we are never destined to get any decent oscars in this genre

the one moment a fan starts asking for more is when people go 'hey, it's a superhero flick' and completely demean what it is to portray a character.

I agree completley with that!!

 

[Visionary]

Man, they're gonna make a fortune off of you idiots come May. A single 7 minute footage and you people can't go a second without spanking each other's muffin.

 

[Eggyman]

If you've got an issue, here's a tissue

 

[Visionary]

Great, now I'm being scolded by Dr. Suess.

 

[Eggyman]

Cheer up bud, it's all good!!

Oh, and I wasn't scolding you -- just trying to lighten the tone.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

If spideys spider sense when't off every time there is danger then the villian will never get the upperhand. whats the fun in that? atleast when his spider sense doesn't go off all the time the villian gets a hit in. that will happen twice in this film, once with peter and harry, and the second one will be with spidey and sandman. now most of the time spideys spider sense goes off when there's danger or somebodys going to get hurt. but to make sense spidey has to get caught off gaurd to actually show how tough and fast the villian is. and it's very logical from my perspective.

 

[thejon7]

As much as I loved the Train Sequence in SM2, after what I've seen with that Aerial Fight Sequence, I have to vote for that because it is so intense and the ending is really powerful.

 

[SentinelMind]

Wondering, do you think the difference between Green Goblin 1 at the fair and Doc Ock in bank scene is that Green Goblin was setting out to kill and create chaos, whereas Doc Ock was just setting out to rob a bank, where the former puts Spider-Man in more danger?

 

[Dragon]

he shouldnt have gotten suckered into such a obvious scheme, especially since he had already been inside to rescue the baby. Any real superhero would have tried to get them both out at the same time.

Nope. The baby and the "woman" were in two different places. And as we saw, there was something explosive where the baby was, which Spidey and the baby barely escaped. Spidey had to get the baby out first. And there was no reason for Spidey to think anyone else was inside the building until he heard the "woman" scream.

We have to remember that Peter was still inexperienced at this point. So, while his Spidey sense was going off during the fire, he wasn't good enough at reading it to decipher one type of danger from the other. His spidey sense would have been warning him about falling debris and burning objects while also being triggered by the Goblin's presence.

 

[November Rain]

Nope. The baby and the "woman" were in two different places. And as we saw, there was something explosive where the baby was, which Spidey and the baby barely escaped. Spidey had to get the baby out first. And there was no reason for Spidey to think anyone else was inside the building until he heard the "woman" scream.

We have to remember that Peter was still inexperienced at this point. So, while his Spidey sense was going off during the fire, he wasn't good enough at reading it to decipher one type of danger from the other. His spidey sense would have been warning him about falling debris and burning objects while also being triggered by the Goblin's presence.

Hmm, i'll have to re-watch the footage to see exactly where the pans of glass are in relationship to one another.

however, his spidey sense wasn't going off during the fire, there was no noise, there was no sign of it what so ever. There's a correlation between the sound and the sense, no sound, no sense. Saying the fire is confusing something that isn't even operating is beyond me.

spidey's senses in iminent danger don't have a learning curve, they react for him, like a reflex, similar to the way he jumps out of the way of the goblin glider or dodges the car being thrown at him, he has no idea what is going on, he just reacts. The same should have happened with the goblin under the sheet. With a proper character study, one can see that the goblin should not have been able to sneak up on him.

 

[Mr Jide]

Hmm, i'll have to re-watch the footage to see exactly where the pans of glass are in relationship to one another.

however, his spidey sense wasn't going off during the fire, there was no noise, there was no sign of it what so ever. There's a correlation between the sound and the sense, no sound, no sense. Saying the fire is confusing something that isn't even operating is beyond me.

spidey's senses in iminent danger don't have a learning curve, they react for him, like a reflex, similar to the way he jumps out of the way of the goblin glider or dodges the car being thrown at him, he has no idea what is going on, he just reacts. The same should have happened with the goblin under the sheet. With a proper character study, one can see that the goblin should not have been able to sneak up on him.

Hey Nov, I disagree slightly. Imo spidey's sense did go off during the fire. The thing is, they didn't include the sense sound because there was no real need for it. The sound is only heard during moments where the danger isn't constantly frantic and when there's time for it to fit. That being said, Goblin was able to disguise his presence with the danger of the fire but then, the question one needs to ask is, Did Norman know of Pete's spidey sense? Afterall there wasn't any evidence to suggest that he did. So, that answer is a definate no-no. As you and I have agreed upon many times before, its just glaringly bad, unforgivable writing. These movies are riddled with so many inconsistencies its not even funny.