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After Nolan's BATMAN trilogy... - Part 1
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Exactly... I don't mind the Robin character and I think his origin can still be done. Just updated with a nod to the comics.
His parents dying as poor circus folks doesn't bother me. Bruce Wayne doesn't have to be there and Dick Grayson doesn't have to become Robin until he's 20 or 21. Just have him being a tormented young MAN. Having an older Robin lets him go to be Nightwing faster too.
I think the next Batman trilogy should focus on the evolution of Dick Grayson as a character. I think the first film can be about Dick Grayson's final year as Robin (with an already established Batman and Robin with no origin story), ending with him becoming Nightwing, second film having Jason Todd's tenure as Robin and untimely death, and the third being about Tim Drake's introduction.
It sounds like a lot, but think it could be tight story as long as Dick Grayson remains the main character throughout. Any thoughts? Am I high?
All that said, I would much rather see a Batman Beyond film. If that's out of the question though, I'd love see the main Robins (Grayson, Todd, Drake) fleshed out.
It sounds like a lot, but think it could be tight story as long as Dick Grayson remains the main character throughout. Any thoughts? Am I high?
All that said, I would much rather see a Batman Beyond film. If that's out of the question though, I'd love see the main Robins (Grayson, Todd, Drake) fleshed out.
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Ugh, dude. The whole point of Nightwing is that he's not around Batman anymore. That's his persona away from Batman... in fact, hostile to Batman. You don't do the Nightwing trilogy and expect Batman to be around.
You have to establish him as Robin first. He perhaps becomes Robin at the end of a first film, then grows into the role in the 2nd but with some hints at a growing apart of the duo. With the third film you adapt Batman Year Three and Robin's Reckoning from BTAS, and have that be the breaking point between Robin and Batman. Dick Grayson leaves in the end to become his own man or adopts the Nightwing persona. And you explore how it effects the both of them.
I'd pitch this as the opening trilogy to an on-going cinematic continuity that results in a somewhat Bond-like quality to the franchise that leaves room for changing casts and directors but with a tighter sense of continuity and direction of the story's progress. So you do a follow up trilogy or duology that brings in Jason Todd. Hell, that could be one film really... and adapt A Death In The Family. Then you do A Lonely Place of Dying where Nightwing returns and Tim Drake makes his introduction.
With the intro of Tim Drake you can give his Robin breathing room. If they do it right the audience could end up giving enough of a damn about Dick and Tim that you could do Nightwing and Robin spin-offs respectively. Babara Gordon probably fits in somewhere too, and you do a Killing Joke adaptation.
I posted this in a thread over in the "Misc. Batman" forum, but I guess I'll copy it over. It's basically what I'd do if I was made all-powerful poobah of the next decade or two of Batman movies. It's a quadrilogy, because, well, it's not like this will get made anyway unless WB sees this and proclaims "THIS RANDOM GUY ON THE INTERNET IS A GENIUS!", so, anyway, here's the Batman Quadrilogy, which takes heavy influence from the Comics, the Dini/Timm BTAS, the Arkham video games and some archtypical Batman stuff.
1. The Caped Crusader: Batman is a relatively new hero in Gotham, only around for perhaps two or three years. The mobsters and common crooks he fought in his earliest days have been replaced by serial killers, technological criminals, madmen and masterminds such as the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler and the Scarecrow. But now, strange things have begun to happen in Gotham. Public figures have been acting strangely, only to then claim they weren't even there, often giving perfectly good alibis. The media passes it off as a movie stunt or misunderstandings... until one day a well-known actress is found dead and the security cameras clearly show Bruce Wayne killing her. Avoiding arrest, Bruce Wayne begins to investigate, and what he finds is an opponent unlike anything he's ever seen. The thing about The Caped Crusader is that it both a drastic change from the Nolan movies (it's far more comic-booky and science-fictional then Nolan's films) but also rather down-to-earth, focusing heavily on Batman's detective work. It also keeps Jim Gordon as an extremely important character.
Villain(s): Clayface (Karlo). Firefly appears at the beginning in a action sequence where Batman stops him from burning down Crime Alley for a crooked politician (Leslie Thompkins also appears in this scene). During the end of the movie, as Clayface is brought in to Arkham, there are cameos by Calendar Man (in a reference to his Long Halloween incarnation), Scarecrow (a cell door marked “Dr. J. Crane”
, Zsasz, and the Joker (you can hear his laugh echo through the halls).
Based on: A mix of Feat of Clay from BTAS and a bit of thematic stuff from Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive.
Supporting characters: Alfred, Commissioner Gordon (just recently promoted), DA Harvey Dent, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Julie Madison (required-by-the-studio love interest, the co-star of the movie that that the actress “Bruce Wayne” killed was in. Could be mentioned she and Bruce used to date or something), Barbara Gordon, Leslie Thompson
Other nods to Batman and DC comics continuity in the film: Batman briefly pays his respects in Crime Alley with Leslie Thompkins after the fight with Firefly. Jim Gordon's wife is named Sarah (basically combining his two canon wives). A psychiatrist at Arkham Asylum at the end of the film is named “Harleen Quinzel”. Harvey Dent's wife is named Gilda. Barbara Gordon has a book or computer by her basically every time she's seen. References are made to Metropolis, Keystone and Coast City. When Wayne Enterprises stock plummets after “Bruce Wayne” is accused of murder, stock symbols for LexCorp, Kord Enterprises and Queen Industries are seen on the bottom. Lucius Fox is mentioned but not seen. When Bruce goes undercover, he goes by Matches Malone. It's mentioned that Scarecrow once tried to gas the city. The Batcave is basically a giant easter-egg hunt with the Scarecrow's mask, Zsasz's knife, Joker's cards, a giant mechanical dinosaur, the Penguin's umbrella, Riddler's cane and, ominously, the original Red Hood's helmet.
2.The Darknight Detective: It's been a year and a half since The Caped Crusader, and the amount of supervillain crime in Gotham continues to increase. Many in Gotham are becoming increasingly sure the GCPD, DA Harvey Dent and the so-called “Batman” are ineffective against this new type of crime, and that more deadly alternatives should be considered. The mayor is breathing down Gordon and Dent's neck, and, amidst this, two new figures have come onto the scene. One is a seemingly phantom vigilante, dubbed “The Reaper”, who is doing what Batman refuses to do: killing low-level supervillains and the remaining members of the Falcone crime family. The other is a crook, stealing chemicals and medication from Gotham's most cutting-edge scientific, medical and technological facilities, then leaving without a single trace. Batman, of course, continues do what he always does, and discovers that the Reaper (a woman!) lost her husband and family at the hands of the Falcone family, and that the man who has been stealing the chemicals and medicine is Dr. Victor Fries, trying to cure his wife, who was placed into suspended animation until a cure could be found. Batman arrives at Fries' laboratory just in time to stop the Reaper from killing Fries, but during the battle something goes horribly wrong: the Reaper heads to jail, and Fries becomes... Mr. Freeze! After this, the movie turns into almost two stories, connected by a theme: when do the ends justify the means? Are the actions that the Reaper undertakes justified, perhaps even noble? Are Mr. Freeze's? Are Batman's?
Villain(s): The Reaper (a combination of the Reaper, the Phantasm and all the other deadlier vigilantes) and Mr. Freeze. The Falcone family is an off-screen villainy, especially during the trial of the Reaper. In a interesting twist on the usual origin, Harvey Dent ends up scarred by acid-in-the-face that is meant for the Reaper... he jumps in the way of the assailant (the assassin then just shoots the Reaper). Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy (“P. Isley” on cell door), and the Ratcatcher appear in Arkham Asylum as Freeze is brought in.
Based on: A mix of Heart of Ice and Mask of the Phantasm, along with some bits of Year One and The Long Halloween.
Supporting Characters: Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, DA Harvey Dent, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Barbara Gordon, Vicki Vale (more of an extended cameo), Leslie Thompkins
Other nods to Batman and DC comics continuity in the film: Leslie Thompkins appears on a TV program to voice her support for Batman, stating that if he were to kill, he'd be no worse than the people he would be killing. She then later gives Bruce/Batman a pep-talk. The Bat-Cave has added the Ratcatcher's costume, the Mad Hatter's hat and Ventriloquist's Scarface dummy. There are advertisements around Gotham for Haley's Circus. Harleen Quinzel doesn't appear, but it's mentioned in Arkham near the end (as Fries tells the doctors in Arkham- correctly- that he's not insane and doesn't belong there) that her “great progress with the Joker” is proof of Arkham's reputation for rehabilitation.
3.The Man who Laughs: Shortly after Harvey Dent was scarred (he remains in the hospital in a coma, it's believed the acid may have damaged part of his brain) and the Reaper murdered, there was a massive breakout at Arkham Asylum. That was two days ago, and several of Gotham's rogues (Joker, Riddler, remain at large, although Arkham itself is now under control. But how the riot started is disturbing: Batman and Gordon discover that Arkham psychiatrist Harleen Quinzel, apparently having fallen in love with him, freed the Joker, who then freed basically everyone else (except for Calendar Man, who he thinks is too lame to let loose, and Mr. Freeze, because he thinks it's funny that Freeze is there in the first place when he's sane). Joker and Quinzel, now going by the name “Harley Quinn” then begin a reign of terror across Gotham City: sniper attacks, laughing gas terrorism, robbery and good-old fashioned murder seem to strike randomly and unhindered. Meanwhile, just outside of town, a low-level criminal named Tony Zucco uses the chaos as a reason to raise the price of “protection” for Haley's Circus. Haley won't pay, and he intends to go through with the week's worth of shows. The city breathes a sigh of relief when the Joker announces he's going to take a few days off, citing an obscure holiday. Bruce doesn't believe it and wants to go out to search for the Joker and Quinn, but Alfred forces him to honor the date he had made to go to the Circus with Vicki Vale. Despite Bruce pointing out that it was going to also include Harvey and Gilda Dent, he reluctantly goes. By the end of the night, another boy sees his family die, Gilda decides to leave Gotham and Harvey forever... and Bruce Wayne finds himself with Richard Grayson in his charge. Now, Batman must stop the Joker without having his new charge discovering his secret.
Villain(s): Joker and Harley Quinn, with various small cameos sprinkled throughout, most notably an extended cameo by the Penguin, who Batman interrogates in the Iceberg Lounge. Tony Zucco is also an antagonist. Near the end, Harvey Dent wakes up, and he is very angry when he is told of what has happened since he was attacked.
Based on: A mix of Mad Love, the Joker's story in Gotham Central, The Man Who Laughs, with bits of The Laughing Fish, Five-Way Revenge and The Killing Joke. Dick Grayson's story borrows from Dark Victory.
Supporting Characters: Alfred, Dick Grayson, Commissioner Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Vicki Vale (studio-required love interest), Barbara Gordon, Leslie Thompkins
Other nods and notes to Batman and DC continuity: Haley's office has an old poster up for a trapeze artist named Boston Brand, as well as another which features a special one-time appearance by the magician Zatara. The Joker breaks the fourth wall on at least one occasion. When Gilda leaves the comatose Dent, she leaves him his lucky coin. Barbara Gordon, after seeing Dick Grayson on TV, tells her father that she thinks he looks kind of cute. Haley's Circus' next stop is Bludhaven. The Joker claims to have been the Red Hood, but then claims to have been a mob boss, then claims to have been a stand-up comedian, before finally saying he prefers multiple choice. Leslie Thompkins visits Wayne Manor to speak with Dick Grayson about his loss. At the end of the film, Dick Grayson finds the Bat-Cave (which has had the Reaper's scythe and one of Mr. Freeze's guns added to the trophy collection).
4.The Dynamic Duo: The Joker's rampage has been stopped, but Batman's problems aren't done. Dick Grayson has discovered his secret and wants in, and Harvey Dent, now scarred, has decided to let his fate and decisions be left to chance. And the coin is telling him to hurt people and do horrible things. Harvey Dent no longer truly exists like he once was, he is now Two-Face. Using some of the knowledge he had from his days as DA, Two-Face has swiftly and brutally united the remnants of Gotham's crime families, including the Zucco gang. Batman needs to stop him, Grayson wants to join him. And thus begins the end of Batman's career... and the start of the career of Batman and Robin!
Villain(s): Two-Face, with Zucco also being featured prominently. The Riddler appears at the end, having used the chaos to kidnap Barbara Gordon to be used in a deadly puzzle he wants Batman to do. He doesn't know what hits him. Joker makes a cameo near the beginning as he mocks Batman in Arkham about what happened to Dent, and the Penguin reprises his informer role.
Based on: Robin: Year One, Dark Victory, Long Halloween and DCAU episodes about Robin and Two-Face.
Supporting Characters: Alfred, Dick Grayson (by the end he's Robin), Commissioner Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Vicki Vale (studio-required love interest, although it's more like an extended cameo), Barbara Gordon, Leslie Thompkins
Other Nods and notes to Batman and DC continuity: Vicki Vale breaks up with Bruce very early on, stating that she can't be so close to the story (after all, a billionaire taking in an orphan is a big story). Batman stops at Leslie Thompkins' clinic after receiving an injury fighting Two-Face's gang alone (one of the guys scored a lucky shot). One of the names that Dick Grayson considers for a superhero name is “The Teen Titan” (then Alfred points out it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue quickly). After Batman and Robin save Barbara Gordon, Robin tosses Barbara a batarang as a souvenir, she looks at it and gives a bit of a “maybe one day...” smile.
Anybody who wants to know more about some of this stuff, just ask. I mean, it's not like it'd actually happen.
1. The Caped Crusader: Batman is a relatively new hero in Gotham, only around for perhaps two or three years. The mobsters and common crooks he fought in his earliest days have been replaced by serial killers, technological criminals, madmen and masterminds such as the Joker, the Penguin, the Riddler and the Scarecrow. But now, strange things have begun to happen in Gotham. Public figures have been acting strangely, only to then claim they weren't even there, often giving perfectly good alibis. The media passes it off as a movie stunt or misunderstandings... until one day a well-known actress is found dead and the security cameras clearly show Bruce Wayne killing her. Avoiding arrest, Bruce Wayne begins to investigate, and what he finds is an opponent unlike anything he's ever seen. The thing about The Caped Crusader is that it both a drastic change from the Nolan movies (it's far more comic-booky and science-fictional then Nolan's films) but also rather down-to-earth, focusing heavily on Batman's detective work. It also keeps Jim Gordon as an extremely important character.
Villain(s): Clayface (Karlo). Firefly appears at the beginning in a action sequence where Batman stops him from burning down Crime Alley for a crooked politician (Leslie Thompkins also appears in this scene). During the end of the movie, as Clayface is brought in to Arkham, there are cameos by Calendar Man (in a reference to his Long Halloween incarnation), Scarecrow (a cell door marked “Dr. J. Crane”
, Zsasz, and the Joker (you can hear his laugh echo through the halls). Based on: A mix of Feat of Clay from BTAS and a bit of thematic stuff from Bruce Wayne: Murderer/Fugitive.
Supporting characters: Alfred, Commissioner Gordon (just recently promoted), DA Harvey Dent, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Julie Madison (required-by-the-studio love interest, the co-star of the movie that that the actress “Bruce Wayne” killed was in. Could be mentioned she and Bruce used to date or something), Barbara Gordon, Leslie Thompson
Other nods to Batman and DC comics continuity in the film: Batman briefly pays his respects in Crime Alley with Leslie Thompkins after the fight with Firefly. Jim Gordon's wife is named Sarah (basically combining his two canon wives). A psychiatrist at Arkham Asylum at the end of the film is named “Harleen Quinzel”. Harvey Dent's wife is named Gilda. Barbara Gordon has a book or computer by her basically every time she's seen. References are made to Metropolis, Keystone and Coast City. When Wayne Enterprises stock plummets after “Bruce Wayne” is accused of murder, stock symbols for LexCorp, Kord Enterprises and Queen Industries are seen on the bottom. Lucius Fox is mentioned but not seen. When Bruce goes undercover, he goes by Matches Malone. It's mentioned that Scarecrow once tried to gas the city. The Batcave is basically a giant easter-egg hunt with the Scarecrow's mask, Zsasz's knife, Joker's cards, a giant mechanical dinosaur, the Penguin's umbrella, Riddler's cane and, ominously, the original Red Hood's helmet.
2.The Darknight Detective: It's been a year and a half since The Caped Crusader, and the amount of supervillain crime in Gotham continues to increase. Many in Gotham are becoming increasingly sure the GCPD, DA Harvey Dent and the so-called “Batman” are ineffective against this new type of crime, and that more deadly alternatives should be considered. The mayor is breathing down Gordon and Dent's neck, and, amidst this, two new figures have come onto the scene. One is a seemingly phantom vigilante, dubbed “The Reaper”, who is doing what Batman refuses to do: killing low-level supervillains and the remaining members of the Falcone crime family. The other is a crook, stealing chemicals and medication from Gotham's most cutting-edge scientific, medical and technological facilities, then leaving without a single trace. Batman, of course, continues do what he always does, and discovers that the Reaper (a woman!) lost her husband and family at the hands of the Falcone family, and that the man who has been stealing the chemicals and medicine is Dr. Victor Fries, trying to cure his wife, who was placed into suspended animation until a cure could be found. Batman arrives at Fries' laboratory just in time to stop the Reaper from killing Fries, but during the battle something goes horribly wrong: the Reaper heads to jail, and Fries becomes... Mr. Freeze! After this, the movie turns into almost two stories, connected by a theme: when do the ends justify the means? Are the actions that the Reaper undertakes justified, perhaps even noble? Are Mr. Freeze's? Are Batman's?
Villain(s): The Reaper (a combination of the Reaper, the Phantasm and all the other deadlier vigilantes) and Mr. Freeze. The Falcone family is an off-screen villainy, especially during the trial of the Reaper. In a interesting twist on the usual origin, Harvey Dent ends up scarred by acid-in-the-face that is meant for the Reaper... he jumps in the way of the assailant (the assassin then just shoots the Reaper). Clayface, Killer Croc, Poison Ivy (“P. Isley” on cell door), and the Ratcatcher appear in Arkham Asylum as Freeze is brought in.
Based on: A mix of Heart of Ice and Mask of the Phantasm, along with some bits of Year One and The Long Halloween.
Supporting Characters: Alfred, Commissioner Gordon, DA Harvey Dent, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Barbara Gordon, Vicki Vale (more of an extended cameo), Leslie Thompkins
Other nods to Batman and DC comics continuity in the film: Leslie Thompkins appears on a TV program to voice her support for Batman, stating that if he were to kill, he'd be no worse than the people he would be killing. She then later gives Bruce/Batman a pep-talk. The Bat-Cave has added the Ratcatcher's costume, the Mad Hatter's hat and Ventriloquist's Scarface dummy. There are advertisements around Gotham for Haley's Circus. Harleen Quinzel doesn't appear, but it's mentioned in Arkham near the end (as Fries tells the doctors in Arkham- correctly- that he's not insane and doesn't belong there) that her “great progress with the Joker” is proof of Arkham's reputation for rehabilitation.
3.The Man who Laughs: Shortly after Harvey Dent was scarred (he remains in the hospital in a coma, it's believed the acid may have damaged part of his brain) and the Reaper murdered, there was a massive breakout at Arkham Asylum. That was two days ago, and several of Gotham's rogues (Joker, Riddler, remain at large, although Arkham itself is now under control. But how the riot started is disturbing: Batman and Gordon discover that Arkham psychiatrist Harleen Quinzel, apparently having fallen in love with him, freed the Joker, who then freed basically everyone else (except for Calendar Man, who he thinks is too lame to let loose, and Mr. Freeze, because he thinks it's funny that Freeze is there in the first place when he's sane). Joker and Quinzel, now going by the name “Harley Quinn” then begin a reign of terror across Gotham City: sniper attacks, laughing gas terrorism, robbery and good-old fashioned murder seem to strike randomly and unhindered. Meanwhile, just outside of town, a low-level criminal named Tony Zucco uses the chaos as a reason to raise the price of “protection” for Haley's Circus. Haley won't pay, and he intends to go through with the week's worth of shows. The city breathes a sigh of relief when the Joker announces he's going to take a few days off, citing an obscure holiday. Bruce doesn't believe it and wants to go out to search for the Joker and Quinn, but Alfred forces him to honor the date he had made to go to the Circus with Vicki Vale. Despite Bruce pointing out that it was going to also include Harvey and Gilda Dent, he reluctantly goes. By the end of the night, another boy sees his family die, Gilda decides to leave Gotham and Harvey forever... and Bruce Wayne finds himself with Richard Grayson in his charge. Now, Batman must stop the Joker without having his new charge discovering his secret.
Villain(s): Joker and Harley Quinn, with various small cameos sprinkled throughout, most notably an extended cameo by the Penguin, who Batman interrogates in the Iceberg Lounge. Tony Zucco is also an antagonist. Near the end, Harvey Dent wakes up, and he is very angry when he is told of what has happened since he was attacked.
Based on: A mix of Mad Love, the Joker's story in Gotham Central, The Man Who Laughs, with bits of The Laughing Fish, Five-Way Revenge and The Killing Joke. Dick Grayson's story borrows from Dark Victory.
Supporting Characters: Alfred, Dick Grayson, Commissioner Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Vicki Vale (studio-required love interest), Barbara Gordon, Leslie Thompkins
Other nods and notes to Batman and DC continuity: Haley's office has an old poster up for a trapeze artist named Boston Brand, as well as another which features a special one-time appearance by the magician Zatara. The Joker breaks the fourth wall on at least one occasion. When Gilda leaves the comatose Dent, she leaves him his lucky coin. Barbara Gordon, after seeing Dick Grayson on TV, tells her father that she thinks he looks kind of cute. Haley's Circus' next stop is Bludhaven. The Joker claims to have been the Red Hood, but then claims to have been a mob boss, then claims to have been a stand-up comedian, before finally saying he prefers multiple choice. Leslie Thompkins visits Wayne Manor to speak with Dick Grayson about his loss. At the end of the film, Dick Grayson finds the Bat-Cave (which has had the Reaper's scythe and one of Mr. Freeze's guns added to the trophy collection).
4.The Dynamic Duo: The Joker's rampage has been stopped, but Batman's problems aren't done. Dick Grayson has discovered his secret and wants in, and Harvey Dent, now scarred, has decided to let his fate and decisions be left to chance. And the coin is telling him to hurt people and do horrible things. Harvey Dent no longer truly exists like he once was, he is now Two-Face. Using some of the knowledge he had from his days as DA, Two-Face has swiftly and brutally united the remnants of Gotham's crime families, including the Zucco gang. Batman needs to stop him, Grayson wants to join him. And thus begins the end of Batman's career... and the start of the career of Batman and Robin!
Villain(s): Two-Face, with Zucco also being featured prominently. The Riddler appears at the end, having used the chaos to kidnap Barbara Gordon to be used in a deadly puzzle he wants Batman to do. He doesn't know what hits him. Joker makes a cameo near the beginning as he mocks Batman in Arkham about what happened to Dent, and the Penguin reprises his informer role.
Based on: Robin: Year One, Dark Victory, Long Halloween and DCAU episodes about Robin and Two-Face.
Supporting Characters: Alfred, Dick Grayson (by the end he's Robin), Commissioner Gordon, Harvey Bullock, Renee Montoya, Vicki Vale (studio-required love interest, although it's more like an extended cameo), Barbara Gordon, Leslie Thompkins
Other Nods and notes to Batman and DC continuity: Vicki Vale breaks up with Bruce very early on, stating that she can't be so close to the story (after all, a billionaire taking in an orphan is a big story). Batman stops at Leslie Thompkins' clinic after receiving an injury fighting Two-Face's gang alone (one of the guys scored a lucky shot). One of the names that Dick Grayson considers for a superhero name is “The Teen Titan” (then Alfred points out it doesn't exactly roll off the tongue quickly). After Batman and Robin save Barbara Gordon, Robin tosses Barbara a batarang as a souvenir, she looks at it and gives a bit of a “maybe one day...” smile.
Anybody who wants to know more about some of this stuff, just ask. I mean, it's not like it'd actually happen.
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I never really followed the Jason Todd/Red Hood/Robin story arc.
How many issues did he have as Robin, Red Hood and the new renegade Batman or whatever?
I mean do we really need to tell the story of Jason. I always like Grayson and Drake enough and only cared that they were Robin. Following three or more robins is enough lol.
1. We need more fantasy/sci-fi/theatrical villains
2. Bring in Robin with a modern up-to-date story. Sorry but the circus this is outdated. However, make his story different from Tim's if there are plans to introduce his character later.
3. No cheesy Batman, make him serious as Bale, but able to function in a JL movie.
How many issues did he have as Robin, Red Hood and the new renegade Batman or whatever?
I mean do we really need to tell the story of Jason. I always like Grayson and Drake enough and only cared that they were Robin. Following three or more robins is enough lol.
1. We need more fantasy/sci-fi/theatrical villains
2. Bring in Robin with a modern up-to-date story. Sorry but the circus this is outdated. However, make his story different from Tim's if there are plans to introduce his character later.
3. No cheesy Batman, make him serious as Bale, but able to function in a JL movie.
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I think Jason Todd is crucial to who Batman is though. For 15the years in comics continuity Jason's death shaped who Batman was and his outlook on his extended Bat family. I think that's a really important thing to explore. You have him mentoring Grayson successfully, with the exception that Bruce's singular focus on the mission causes a rift between them. Bruce takes on Jason because he now needs that companionship and ultimately he fails as a mentor because Jason is never restrained and is too violent. Ultimately Jason dies and that weighs on Bruce, because the Joker would never have best him to death if not for Bruce.
I hope they do a new Batman series that picks up from the end of TDKR instead of an actual reboot but has an entirely new story arc. Bring the Joker back maybe? I know Heath Ledger is dead but...still...
IMO it's pointless to reboot a series every time a story arc is finished, then old arcs keep getting recycled and a sense of continuity is lost.
IMO it's pointless to reboot a series every time a story arc is finished, then old arcs keep getting recycled and a sense of continuity is lost.
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I wouldn't mind seeing Johnny Depp as the Joker, or another great character actor he heck a solid method actor that could pull off the role.
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I nominate Tom Hiddleston as the Joker. Fully aware he's Loki, but come on!
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A cool idea, but Loki is so iconic and I'd prefer to see a new face to superhero films as the Joker.
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I feel that Hiddleston would be good, but yeah, he's going to be busy playing Loki anyway, not to mention that might affect how people see the Joker. I'd probably argue a good Joker could be someone you least expect. I mean, who ever expected Heath Ledgar to be the best Joker ever?
...though, here's one thing...am I alone in thinking that David Tennant might make a decent Riddler?
...though, here's one thing...am I alone in thinking that David Tennant might make a decent Riddler?
Would anyone, be overly against the idea of bringing burton back. I still love his films.
20+ years on, with the technology availible he could perform great things.
I loved HIS gotham, all big ugly churches and old school skyscrapers, that is gotham.
20+ years on, with the technology availible he could perform great things.
I loved HIS gotham, all big ugly churches and old school skyscrapers, that is gotham.
I just hope that new director makes it his/her own and goes for it. I don't want them to try to be like Nolan.
Another thing is I think it'd be best to have an established Batman considering Begins really showed why he became who he was and I wouldn't want another TAS.
Focusing on detective work would be cool to see. We didn't get enough of that in Nolan's.
A more mission-oriented Batman would be cool to see. The fact that Nolan gave us a human Bats was nice, but psycho-determined Bats on the screen would be cool to see again.
Incorporating the masked side of the Bat Family could be a good focus that sets it apart from Nolan's films. The father-son vs. soldier relationship could give one some solid stuff to work with along with the dangerous situations Bat's partner get into.
Really though I just want it have a good story. As long as it's executed well it'll do good in my eyes.
Another thing is I think it'd be best to have an established Batman considering Begins really showed why he became who he was and I wouldn't want another TAS.
Focusing on detective work would be cool to see. We didn't get enough of that in Nolan's.
A more mission-oriented Batman would be cool to see. The fact that Nolan gave us a human Bats was nice, but psycho-determined Bats on the screen would be cool to see again.
Incorporating the masked side of the Bat Family could be a good focus that sets it apart from Nolan's films. The father-son vs. soldier relationship could give one some solid stuff to work with along with the dangerous situations Bat's partner get into.
Really though I just want it have a good story. As long as it's executed well it'll do good in my eyes.
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Exactly, create your own vision, not someone else's.
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I apologize profusely in advance..... (non-spoiler questions below)
But I'm a little lost. I know that Nolan won't be directing anymore Batman movies -- but where does that leave the current series?
Is it officially capped as a trilogy? Then, we're just expecting for the eventual reboot?
Or will there be any sort of continuation from The Dark Knight Rises?
Where do we, as fans, stand with regard to the future of the film series? I.e., are we all waiting for the reboot and starting to fan-cast? Or are we hoping for a Part IV? Or are we waiting for an official Part IV?
But I'm a little lost. I know that Nolan won't be directing anymore Batman movies -- but where does that leave the current series?
Is it officially capped as a trilogy? Then, we're just expecting for the eventual reboot?
Or will there be any sort of continuation from The Dark Knight Rises?
Where do we, as fans, stand with regard to the future of the film series? I.e., are we all waiting for the reboot and starting to fan-cast? Or are we hoping for a Part IV? Or are we waiting for an official Part IV?
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I don't think any one really knows even though every poster says... the legend ends...
Back when Begins started I was hoping the Batman movies would go the way of the James Bond series in terms of not limiting the series to a movie or even a trilogy. The character and the Batworld is just way to huge to think on that sort of scale.
On the other hand two huge parts of the Batman world are gone in the Nolan movies. Its hard to move ahead without stepping on the toes of the Ledger family and Two Face is dead. So maybe a reboot is needed.
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We need it, so support it....
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To me I'd really like to see a Batman where [BLACKOUT]Batman doesn't quit being Batman just to go be with a woman. I realize he's toyed with the idea here and there, but honestly, the ending of TDKR is a complete bastardization of a character who is supposed to have a borderline psychotic obsession. It kind of is a smack in the face to Catwoman too, who honestly is important because she is one of the few women that can accept Bruce's life as Batman, and wants to allow him to continue to be who he is. It's all the other women who are out to change him.
Honestly I didn't care for his pre-movie eight-year hiatus either. So the death of your OWN PARENTS eventually drives you to obsessively stalk criminals. The death of a girl who never truly liked you back makes you give up on life?!? That's really insecure for someone who is supposed to be Batman. Actually, I think if they had any shred of understanding of the character you'd have expect Bruce to get more obsessed with Batman over Rachel, not less.
I think he really missed the boat by making Batman WANT to be a symbol rather than simply want to be effective and stopping crime. I mean his vow is to prevent what happened to him from happening to others. If he wants to become a symbol, why does he pick the stupidest method of doing so?
At the end of TDKR the criminals of the world came to a stunning realization: he's dead. So who gives a f***, back to doing what we want. If anything, in the end, despite saving lives, he just ended up courting a bunch of chaos, perhaps chaos that'll outlive his "death". Even if John Blake takes his symbol, maybe he gets capped in one night.
Seemed to me like being Batman was and is kind of pointless, and he could've been a lot more effective if he had just been Mayor for a while and retired.[/BLACKOUT]
Honestly I didn't care for his pre-movie eight-year hiatus either. So the death of your OWN PARENTS eventually drives you to obsessively stalk criminals. The death of a girl who never truly liked you back makes you give up on life?!? That's really insecure for someone who is supposed to be Batman. Actually, I think if they had any shred of understanding of the character you'd have expect Bruce to get more obsessed with Batman over Rachel, not less.
I think he really missed the boat by making Batman WANT to be a symbol rather than simply want to be effective and stopping crime. I mean his vow is to prevent what happened to him from happening to others. If he wants to become a symbol, why does he pick the stupidest method of doing so?
At the end of TDKR the criminals of the world came to a stunning realization: he's dead. So who gives a f***, back to doing what we want. If anything, in the end, despite saving lives, he just ended up courting a bunch of chaos, perhaps chaos that'll outlive his "death". Even if John Blake takes his symbol, maybe he gets capped in one night.
Seemed to me like being Batman was and is kind of pointless, and he could've been a lot more effective if he had just been Mayor for a while and retired.[/BLACKOUT]
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