Agent Carter Agent Carter General Discussion Thread - Part 1

[Ryu_do_Sen]

With next week's russia involvement, the kick ass little girl, and the familiar moves by the new blond... im pretty sure we are getting some black widow history unfolding

With all due respect, that's no reason to get excited. There should lives on the line, iminent threats, heroes or villains about to make a move, victories or losses that need vindication, secrets that will be revealed, difficult problems that come up, etc.

They spend too much time and effort on character development - many times, it feels redundant - and focuse too little on action and plot. Ex: how many times, have we seen that agent sousa is a good guy and that agents thompson is an sob? There's two or three scenes per episode that tell you that. It gets boring after a while.

 

[JJmelo]

I think it's a solid mix. I actually thought this weeks was the best episode so far. I love getting to know these characters and the bits of action we get each week help remind us that they are deep and can kick a little ass. Peggy did quite a bit of fighting in the first 3 episodes so she deserves somewhat of a break now and again.

here are my full thoughts on the episode

https://otlnews.wordpress.com/2015/01/28/agent-carter-review-s1-ep-3-time-and-tide/

 

[spideyboy_1111]

With all due respect, that's no reason to get excited. There should lives on the line, iminent threats, heroes or villains about to make a move, victories or losses that need vindication, secrets that will be revealed, difficult problems that come up, etc.

They spend too much time and effort on character development - many times, it feels redundant - and focuse too little on action and plot. Ex: how many times, have we seen that agent sousa is a good guy and that agents thompson is an sob? There's two or three scenes per episode that tell you that. It gets boring after a while.

With all due respect our tastes are wildly different. This show simply isnt nor will ever be your cup of tea. you need everything to be fast paced apparently. I like a build up and a slow burn with this type of genre. Very noir and antiquated spy

 

[eddy]

They spend too much time and effort on character development

Am I in a time warp back to the Lost thread?


On a unrelated note, the scene where Peggy confronts Stark about Steve's blood was really good.

And the girl killing the blonde bad guy. Wow.

 

[Loki882]

Action scenes and explosions don't mean a thing if you don't give a damn about the characters. The Star Wars Prequels and Michael Bay's Transformers already taught me that.

 

[Vartha]

Action scenes and explosions don't mean a thing if you don't give a damn about the characters. The Star Wars Prequels and Michael Bay's Transformers already taught me that.

heh, that's what they talked about for 13th Warrior. More or less to get an R rating they had to go back to ADD bloody scenes, because you hardly had any blood.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

Action scenes and explosions don't mean a thing if you don't give a damn about the characters. The Star Wars Prequels and Michael Bay's Transformers already taught me that.

I also didn't like those movies. I'm not sayin' that character development isn't important. But it needs plot and things happening. Otherwise, the characters tend to repeat themselves and the story goes nowhere. And then interest fades away.

I'm a little bit surprised that the show is so slow because they only have eight episodes. There should be more story, characters, events, problems, conflicts etc.

 

[Ryu_do_Sen]

With all due respect our tastes are wildly different. This show simply isnt nor will ever be your cup of tea. you need everything to be fast paced apparently. I like a build up and a slow burn with this type of genre. Very noir and antiquated spy

Ya, our tastes may be wildly different. But I don't need everything to be fast paced. There could be things happening and still be able to maintain a slow pace. A spy thriller, imo, has a lot more suspense than this show. There's betrayals on the horizon, surprising things happening all the time, a lot more ambiguous characters, heroes that turn out to be villains, etc.

The americans is a good example of a great spy thriller. It has character moments, events, problems, conflicts, slow pace and fast pace, etc.

 

[Hunter Rider]

This weeks ep was the poorest so far and I think it was because it lacked enough Peggy and Peggy interacting with Jarvis and Angie. I'm interested to see what the deal is with Dottie and what she plans do with that badass gun she now has.

 

[kedrell]

^I'd agree with that assessment. The show seems like it might be starting to drift in an uncertain way, like a ship without someone at the helm. Thankfully, it's short duration should prevent it from going off course very far. But I ended seeing this last episode wondering just where the hell this show was going. I liked the episode but it was less focused than previous episodes.

 

[Marvel]

I like a build up and a slow burn with this type of genre. Very noir and antiquated spy

I absolutely love it. Intelligent character drama beats "whiz" and "bap" every time in my book. This show is being executed perfectly.

Any thoughts on who or what did all the killing during the War in Russia? Could that be Winter Soldier related or is this early Inhumans stuff?

 

[TalismanRing]

I absolutely love it. Intelligent character drama beats "whiz" and "bap" every time in my book. This show is being executed perfectly.

Any thoughts on who or what did all the killing during the War in Russia? Could that be Winter Soldier related or is this early Inhumans stuff?

The incident happened in 1944 so too early for The Winter Soldier who fell in 1945 even if the Smithsonian wall in TWS has the date wrong (they also have his birth year listed as 1916 and 1917 on the same wall and screwed up the number of men Steve rescued when he rescued Bucky. The continuity people evidently were not paying close attention to the Art Dept)

 

[Loki882]

Plus TWS never gave us much indication that:

-HYDRA sent WS to kill dozens or even hundreds of people at a time. He seemed to be used much more for targeted assassinations.
-WS MO involved "tearing people apart" and then putting their corpses in a big pile.

I wonder if it might be Inhumans-related.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I absolutely love it. Intelligent character drama beats "whiz" and "bap" every time in my book. This show is being executed perfectly.

Yeah, I think the spy noir stuff is working perfectly. It builds tension slowly with just a touch of camp (such as the automatic revolver).

Any thoughts on who or what did all the killing during the War in Russia? Could that be Winter Soldier related or is this early Inhumans stuff?

I'm skeptical of either. Winter Solider seems far more likely than Inhumans. While I don't deny it reminded me of how the "monsters" were described that tore apart that village, I just don't get the vibe that's the direction they're heading in. This show is it's own show, it's not Agents of SHIELD season 2.5. If anything, I suspect they're heading towards Black Widow stuff. But this seems likely to be firmly rooted in the Cold War.

 

[cph9fa]

I posted this in the episode thread earlier tonight, but it really deserves to be here as well. For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, there's an excellent interview on IGN with the Agent Carter showrunners regarding the latest episode, and who Dottie is.

Basically, she is indeed a product of the [blackout]Black Widow program (or at least its precursor)[/blackout], but they won't actually call it that in the show.

I particularly like this part, which I think addresses one of the problems that AoS had in season 1 (even if it was at least partly justified):

IGN: What you say about the eight episodes is notable. We met Dottie and the next episode we immediately got this reveal of her, which probably wouldn’t happen if you had many more episodes. Does that all kind of go together with the fact that you’re going to deliver pretty quickly on the setups in this series?

Butters: We’re very active on Twitter and social media and fans are so savvy nowadays and keeping certain reveals for too long, they just get annoyed with you. So I mean, I feel like, especially with eight episodes, it made sense to kind of roll these out.


Fazekas: When we were talking about the larger story of the season, we toyed with, “Can we keep this a secret for longer?” But when we’re talking about this big picture stuff, you don’t get any benefit from keeping the secret longer. Why not have fun with it now?

 

[JJmelo]

I posted this in the episode thread earlier tonight, but it really deserves to be here as well. For anyone who hasn't seen it yet, there's an excellent interview on IGN with the Agent Carter showrunners regarding the latest episode, and who Dottie is.

Basically, she is indeed a product of the [blackout]Black Widow program (or at least its precursor)[/blackout], but they won't actually call it that in the show.

I particularly like this part, which I think addresses one of the problems that AoS had in season 1 (even if it was at least partly justified):

loved the quote, "connecting the world without stepping on the world". Agent Carter is doing exactly that. The history of the MCU is ripe for exploration and its moments like these that show just how integral SHIELD and CARTER are to the overall schematic that Marvel is mapping out.

For the most part I loved the episode but I did have a few issues with the humor. I posted my review earlier but accidentally posted episode 3. Here is Episode 4 for people that are interested in another perspective

https://otlnews.wordpress.com/2015/01/28/agent-carter-review-s1-ep-4-the-blitzkrieg-button/

 

[DJ_KiDDvIcIOUs]

I just caught the new episode and I loved it. Really like how they don't pull any punches. Having only 8 episodes is really working in their favor IMO. Also that SHIELD promo was dope as hell!

 

[Uskok]

I absolutely love it. Intelligent character drama beats "whiz" and "bap" every time in my book. This show is being executed perfectly.

Any thoughts on who or what did all the killing during the War in Russia? Could that be Winter Soldier related or is this early Inhumans stuff?

The battle happened in 1944 in Germany, not in Russia. Bucky was still a Howling Commando at that time.

 

[Silvermoon]

The incident happened in 1944 so too early for The Winter Soldier who fell in 1945 even if the Smithsonian wall in TWS has the date wrong (they also have his birth year listed as 1916 and 1917 on the same wall and screwed up the number of men Steve rescued when he rescued Bucky. The continuity people evidently were not paying close attention to the Art Dept)

I know about both the year mistakes, but whats the screw up on the number of men Steve rescued?

 

[Marvel]

The battle happened in 1944 in Germany, not in Russia. Bucky was still a Howling Commando at that time.

Thanks, I missed that completely.

It does bring up a good idea ABC is doing. They are releasing these field report recaps...

http://abc.go.com/shows/marvels-age...ort-104-the-blitzkreig-button?linkId=12028786

You can get friends caught up and you can watch clips over again. I missed a lot watching this last episode while slightly distracted live.

 

[TalismanRing]

I know about both the year mistakes, but whats the screw up on the number of men Steve rescued?

In The First Avenger the front of the newspaper says Over 400 Prisoners Liberated and in TWS on the wall in the Smithsonian it says that while on your in Italy he rescued 163 prisoners including Bucky Barnes.

I hate to nitpick such a beautiful intricate inspired set piece like The Smithsonian in TWS but every time I see that big 163 behind him it annoys me.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wartime newspapers inflating the numbers^^

/noprize

 

[TalismanRing]

Wartime newspapers inflating the numbers^^

/noprize

Or maybe the exhibit creator at the Smithsonian is so jingoistic he or she only counted American lives saved.

 

[Silvermoon]

In The First Avenger the front of the newspaper says Over 400 Prisoners Liberated and in TWS on the wall in the Smithsonian it says that while on your in Italy he rescued 163 prisoners including Bucky Barnes.

I hate to nitpick such a beautiful intricate inspired set piece like The Smithsonian in TWS but every time I see that big 163 behind him it annoys me.

I never noticed that particular error, sure enough (found a screen cap) and you're right

Wartime newspapers inflating the numbers^^

/noprize

I could believe that

 

[metaphysician]

Are you sure those weren't referring to different incidents?