Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 15 "Yes Men" Discussion Thread

[kosh33]

great find cph9fa, how did you manage to read the text on that?

 

[Dregride]

great find cph9fa, how did you manage to read the text on that?

He's got great eyes

 

[cph9fa]

Lol! Thanks. I just viewed the image at full size, squinted a lot, and moved my head around to different viewing angles. I figured out the words that were easier to see, then went back and kinda guessed which words best filled in the blanks.

Granted, I was having difficulty with the words "tacit cooperation" at the end of 2c. so I googled to see if anyone else had discovered this, and found this wiki page. (But everything else I figured out first!).

This information suggests answers to a question that has perplexed me ever since it was revealed that Skye was a 0-8-4 -- how on Earth did a SHIELD team stumble across a 0-8-4 in the middle-of-nowhere China? Either Skye's proximity to an existing (but supposedly-abandoned) SHIELD base was an extreme coincidence... or SHIELD somehow had a hand in her presence there (presumably in her creation, though other possibilities are possible).

I just remembered... I think most of the SHIELD team that was sent in to find her was made up of rookies (who probably wouldn't have been aware of Shangri-La), with the exception of the senior agent who called it in. So he may well have been hiding the base's existence by referring to her as a 0-8-4.

 

[cph9fa]

He's got great eyes

I attribute it to being a software engineer, and squinting at code all day long!

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I attribute it to being a software engineer, and squinting at code all day long!

Heh I tried to read the whole thing thing but quickly gave it up. Nice work.

 

[The_Manhunter]

Good ep. Sif was awesome. Really wish they'd give her more to do in the films.

This! She needs to get with Thor!

 

[kosh33]

synopsis for ep. 17 is up
http://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/3/14/22155/declassifying_marvels_agents_of_shield_turn_turn_turn

 

[kosh33]

Turn, Turn, Turn" - Coulson and his team find themselves without anyone they can trust, only to discover that they are trapped with a traitor in their midst, on "Marvel's Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D.," Tuesday, April 8 (8:00-9:01 p.m., ET) on the ABC Television Network.
Guest starring are Bill Paxton as Agent Garrett, Saffron Burrows as Victoria Hand, Christine Adams as Agent Weaver, B.J. Britt as Agent Triplett, Charles Halford as Agent Shaw, James Macdonald as Agent Jacobson, Dayo Ade as Agent Barbour, Kylie Furneaux as Agent Shade, Alex Daniels as Agent Chaimson, Braden Moran as Agent Jones, Cameron Diskin as Agent Baylinhttp://marvel.com/news/tv/2014/3/14...agents_of_shield_turn_turn_turn#ixzz2w0KHcvjA

 

[kosh33]

any recognisable names among the agents other than garrett, hand, weaver (who i think was at the academy), triplett,
i remember hearing agent shaw, but i cant place a face

 

[kosh33]

just realised i posted in the wrong place 'facepalm'

 

[Dr. Evil]

any recognisable names among the agents other than garrett, hand, weaver (who i think was at the academy), triplett,
i remember hearing agent shaw, but i cant place a face

Agent Shaw I believe was the one who told Coulson and May that Skye was an 0-84

 

[kosh33]

thanks dr.evil.. that where i heard the name..

 

[kosh33]

jb hunter mentioned on the main shield thread that agent shaw is the person from whose nose a usb was extracted...

 

[cph9fa]

Agent Shaw I believe was the one who told Coulson and May that Skye was an 0-84

Actually, that was Richard Lumley

Agent Shaw is listed as an "interrogator" appearing "The Hub", although I don't remember the character.

 

[Six]

Agent Shaw is the guy played by Reggie Ledoux, I mean, Charles Halford

 

[Panthro]

This! She needs to get with Thor!

Damn straight! Or alternately -

 

[Dwolf63]

I prepared my sneer as I started reading that but you won me over by the end. Simmons doesn't have a heart of ice though...

Without going back to rewatch the scene to get an exact quote, the way I remember it, there were references to two different women. Paraphrasing Lorelei said "Oh you're the one he's banging....the woman with the heart of ice....would it surprise you to know you're not the one he actually has feelings for..."

Kind of makes you wonder who rejected Lorelei that she not only needs to conquer the hearts of men, but rub other women's faces in who they've lost...

 

[cherokeesam]

WOAH!!!

I hadn't seen that screenshot before, WT. There's a MAJOR Easter Egg there regarding Skye's origin! Here's my line-by-line transcript. Item 2c. is particularly interesting.

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[...inactive were?] found by the Joint Task Force to be still in use, in [direct?] violation of [REDACTED]
[REDACTED]. These facilities are listed below by their [most recently used?] [code name?].

2a. COVENTRY. A former Royal Air Force base built in 1942, located approximately [illegible]
south of [REDACTED]. This facility was believed to be [turned over?] to the [illegible]
Security Forces in 194[8?], but the JTF determined that it [continues?] to be a [illegible]
S.H.I.E.L.D. operations, including [REDACTED].

2b. GUEST HOUSE. A heavily fortified facility located inside a mountain, approximately 17
miles northwest of [REDACTED] the Guest House was used as munitions bunker during
World War II and later upgraded for use as a [REDACTED] by the SSR.
This facility was never formally decommissioned, although it was damaged by seismic activity
in the mid-1950s, and [REDACTED].

2c. SHANGRI-LA. This base in China's Hunan Province was officially abandoned shortly after
the People's Republic of China [REDACTED] in 19[68?]. As was widely
known among S.H.I.E.L.D. inner circles, it continued to be [an active?] base well into the 1980s,
with the [tacit cooperation?] of PRC officials. [REDACTED]

CONTINUED ON NEXT PAGE
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Specifically, note that SHIELD had a secret base (Shangri-La) in Hunan Province in the 1980s -- which is exactly when and where they recovered an 0-8-4 (Skye). It seems rather possible that this 0-8-4 may actually have originated at Shangri-La (even though a 0-8-4 is supposedly of "unknown" origin. After all, Shangri-La was supposed to have been abandoned by this point).

Unsurprisingly, there is a Shangri-La in Marvel 616, but reading about it I doubt it has much to do with this TV show. It's really kinda weird. As would be expected, it was a mythical hidden kingdom in the Himalayas. It was apparently founded by a 40's hero called Aarkus, aka the Vision (a "Smokeworlder"??? -- not the familiar Android), and it housed an artifact called the "Pillow of Life and Death" which could heal mortal wounds (*ahem*) and grant eternal life.

Assuming all that gets stripped away, and in light of a probable Kree body, a case could also be made for correlating Shangri-La with Attilan -- both are canonically hidden societies in the Himalayas. However, in real life, Hunan Province is actually nowhere near the Himalayas. But it is 80% covered with mountains and hills, so it still kinda works.

Who's to say that the writeup is about SHIELD bases....? When I first read that screencap, I assumed that this was a detailed summary of known HYDRA bases, meaning that the war against HYDRA never officially ended with Red Skull. (Even as early as Ep. 2, they were talking about HYDRA agents escaping to South America after the war, like a large number of real-life Nazi officials.)

I think the screencap "proves" two things:

a) the TAHITI bunker was run by HYDRA;
b) the Hunan facility was run by HYDRA. (Although a minor timeline caveat: the screencap mentions it being in use as late as "the 80s" --- Chloe Bennet was technically born in 1992. But I guess there's some leeway there.)

If I'm right, it means Fury has been in collusion with HYDRA (although I'm definitely not suggesting he's an actual traitor; just pulling a double- or triple-cross on HYDRA, because Nick Fury is Nick Fury); that Fury "made a deal with the devil" by using HYDRA assets to resurrect Coulson; that Skye is a product of HYDRA (holy crap, more fuel to the Spider-Woman fire); and that the battle in Hunan was between SHIELD and HYDRA agents.

It also brings Skye and Coulson a bit closer together, in that both are unwitting pawns of HYDRA technology that may or may not have given one or both of them latent superpowers.

 

[Vartha]

I don't know about Fury's involvement with Hydra.
GAH I wish I could say why.

 

[cph9fa]

Hopefully, in less than a month, we'll all have a better idea of that.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

So Fury IS Red Skull then?

 

[mocomic]

Sif never met Skye??
Would she have said why is this Asgardian here??

But an Asgardian might be bulletproof

 

[Loki882]

You know, I just had another realization. Lorelei had more screentime, characterization, and development on a 45-50 minute TV episode, then Malekith did in an almost 2 hour movie. Seriously, she was more fleshed out as a character and interesting as a villain in a freaking SHIELD show than the alleged main villain was in a Thor movie, a MAJOR Thor villain to boot. That's also both awesome (for the show) and sad (for the movie) at the same time.

 

[brisa25]

Sif never met Skye??
Would she have said why is this Asgardian here??

But an Asgardian might be bulletproof

i wondered why sif never met skye? i wondered if she would figure out what she is and say something to coulson like why do you have this (insert guess here)? i dont think skye is asgardian.

 

[seahammer]

I haven't been in here all week because I've been super busy, so it's highly likely that someone posted this already. Just in case, though:

I went back and rewatched this episode to get a clear list of the blue aliens Sif mentions. This is what I got.

Interdites, Levians, Pheragots, Kree, Sarks, Centurians

I'm pretty sure they're all from the comics. Also, the name of Sif's lover that Lorelei mentions is Haldorr. He's not from the comics, I'm pretty sure. But his name reminds me of:

Spoiler

again, sorry if I'm repeating something that was brought up ages ago.