Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 14 "Tahiti" Discussion Thread

[Pokkle]

If bob and his friend didn't shot without warning they will alive.

 

[marcvader]

Agree to disagree guys, your not changing anyones mind.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

But Coulson's team were the aggressors. They're the ones who broke into the facility. A facility that simply has to be considered between neutral and SHIELD-aligned based on the information at hand.

they asked for MEDICAL HELP in an EMERGENCY CASE!! not once, not twice but multiple times. even after being shot at Coulson made clear that all they want was help. Then, Coulson and his team defended themselves.
It's not like they didn't try diplomacy

 

[cherokeesam]

We know that. Or at the very least suspect that. Why would it possibly scream HYDRA to Coulson?

It doesn't scream HYDRA to Coulson (yet); only to us, the viewers in the know. But Coulson *does* know it's not a SHIELD facility. He *does* know that it's a base where they do Very Bad Things, including outright torture on Coulson himself during "the Tahiti incident." He *does* know that whoever runs the joint is *not* likely to be friendly, or to graciously open the doors and welcome him with open arms to give him the medicine he needs to fix Skye. You know....the same "medicine" they used during that torture "surgical procedure" on Coulson.

And most importantly, Coulson knows that Skye is running out of time. He comes to the facility with two plans. Plan A: be nice. Plan B: bust your way in. When Plan A doesn't work, he has literally no choice but to resort to Plan B, immediately.

How hard is that to understand?

 

[<(o_o)>]

It doesn't scream HYDRA to Coulson (yet); only to us, the viewers in the know. But Coulson *does* know it's not a SHIELD facility. He *does* know that it's a base where they do Very Bad Things, including outright torture on Coulson himself during "the Tahiti incident." He *does* know that whoever runs the joint is *not* likely to be friendly, or to graciously open the doors and welcome him with open arms to give him the medicine he needs to fix Skye. You know....the same "medicine" they used during that torture "surgical procedure" on Coulson.

And most importantly, Coulson knows that Skye is running out of time. He comes to the facility with two plans. Plan A: be nice. Plan B: bust your way in. When Plan A doesn't work, he has literally no choice but to resort to Plan B, immediately.

How hard is that to understand?

If the situation had been reversed & someone else needed help Coulson would have probably shot first also & asked questions later.

 

[Lord]

they asked for MEDICAL HELP in an EMERGENCY CASE!! not once, not twice but multiple times. even after being shot at Coulson made clear that all they want was help. Then, Coulson and his team defended themselves.
It's not like they didn't try diplomacy

They had orders, it doesn't matter if you and your friends are hurt, a secret facility full of things that are not supposed to see the light of day aren't going to help you for they have a more important mission that can't be put in danger just because of a small group of people without clearance to enter needing something from there.

For example, you don't just walk into Area 51 saying that they have the only cure for a certain disease a friend of yours got. Harsh or not, that's just how the world works.

It doesn't scream HYDRA to Coulson (yet); only to us, the viewers in the know. But Coulson *does* know it's not a SHIELD facility. He *does* know that it's a base where they do Very Bad Things, including outright torture on Coulson himself during "the Tahiti incident.

Bad things that are the reason he's still alive and were comissioned by Fury himself, and it may not have been for evil intentions. Many people are forced to suffer through their disease by having treatments that let them stay alive, but limit their bodies and makes them suffer. You're acting as if they just took Coulson and made him suffer on purpose, lol.

" He *does* know that whoever runs the joint is *not* likely to be friendly, or to graciously open the doors and welcome him with open arms to give him the medicine he needs to fix Skye. You know....the same "medicine" they used during that torture "surgical procedure" on Coulson.

Of course they won't, they have orders. Do you think the Government would risk their secrets just because someone in the middle of the desert said they needed the resources hidden in that facility? Of course not. And there's a reason that it had to be comissioned by the leader of SHIELD himself in order to be used on Coulson, so it's obvious that somebody like Skye wouldn't get the same treatment.

And most importantly, Coulson knows that Skye is running out of time. He comes to the facility with two plans. Plan A: be nice. Plan B: bust your way in. When Plan A doesn't work, he has literally no choice but to resort to Plan B, immediately.

That is true, but an action like that would surelly lead into some terrible consequences, you don't just enter in a facility full of secrets and shoot the guards without getting consequences for that. But then again, in this show it seems like Coulson's super friends never get in trouble for having gone against SHIELD higher up orders, so why should we be expecting the same in here?

 

[fixxxer]

It doesn't scream HYDRA to Coulson (yet); only to us, the viewers in the know. But Coulson *does* know it's not a SHIELD facility. He *does* know that it's a base where they do Very Bad Things, including outright torture on Coulson himself during "the Tahiti incident." He *does* know that whoever runs the joint is *not* likely to be friendly, or to graciously open the doors and welcome him with open arms to give him the medicine he needs to fix Skye. You know....the same "medicine" they used during that torture "surgical procedure" on Coulson.

And most importantly, Coulson knows that Skye is running out of time. He comes to the facility with two plans. Plan A: be nice. Plan B: bust your way in. When Plan A doesn't work, he has literally no choice but to resort to Plan B, immediately.

How hard is that to understand?

Not hard at all. I understand... I just don't agree that it was the logical or even sane course of action. My main argument wasn't addressed though...

Can we agree that if the Guest House was a SHIELD facility, Coulson's actions would be considered completely insane, and Fury/SHIELD would have his balls for it?

Now, based on the information at hand, how can Coulson consider the Guest House to be anything other than SHIELD-aligned, when it was Fury who ordered and oversaw the procedures that were run on Coulson in the Guest House? And even flew in at least one SHIELD doctor (Dr. Streighton) to assist in the procedure.

Coulson not trusting his higher ups is well and good. However, to run a direct assault on a base, which, at the moment, he has no reason to believe is anything but a SHIELD-aligned property, is ludicrous.

 

[Huddsy]

They had orders, it doesn't matter if you and your friends are hurt, a secret facility full of things that are not supposed to see the light of day aren't going to help you for they have a more important mission that can't be put in danger just because of a small group of people without clearance to enter needing something from there.

For example, you don't just walk into Area 51 saying that they have the only cure for a certain disease a friend of yours got. Harsh or not, that's just how the world works.

WE'RE NOT SUPER SPY AGENTS ON A TV SHOW.

If we were... WE PROBABLY WOULD.

That is true, but an action like that would surelly lead into some terrible consequences, you don't just enter in a facility full of secrets and shoot the guards without getting consequences for that. But then again, in this show it seems like Coulson's super friends never get in trouble for having gone against SHIELD higher up orders, so why should we be expecting the same in here?

How many tv shows do you watch, because in 10023981273123% of them, this happens. How many times did SG-1 defy orders from Hammond or the IOA, but didn't face consequences? IT'S TV. Sometimes you just have to dispend a little belief and enjoy it for what it is. They have an hour, and have to fit everything in. They can't devote time to certain things. They have a mission and need Coulson to fulfill it, plus see the alien. So use logical spy actions to create that.

In that situation, yes they would have asked nicely first and said they were SHIELD, knowing it wasn't a SHIELD facility. It was explained to be something that Fury VISITED, not commissioned. VISITED. Fury has been doing things without SHIELD in the MCU.

When they didn't get what they wanted, they broke in and hoped for peaceful communication. They got shot at. SO they could sit there and wait to be killed or shoot to injure to then communicate. That's just the logical thing that would happen in that situation.

 

[Huddsy]

Not hard at all. I understand... I just don't agree that it was the logical or even sane course of action. My main argument wasn't addressed though...

Can we agree that if the Guest House was a SHIELD facility, Coulson's actions would be considered completely insane, and Fury/SHIELD would have his balls for it?

Now, based on the information at hand, how can Coulson consider the Guest House to be anything other than SHIELD-aligned, when it was Fury who ordered and oversaw the procedures that were run on Coulson in the Guest House? And even flew in at least one SHIELD doctor (Dr. Streighton) to assist in the procedure.

Coulson not trusting his higher ups is well and good. However, to run a direct assault on a base, which, at the moment, he has no reason to believe is anything but a SHIELD-aligned property, is ludicrous.

Because it was explain as not being a SHIELD facility.....

 

[marcvader]

The over analysis of this show is mind numbing. This is not masterpiece theater nor is it the adaptation of the great American novel. Its a fun action show. The this show sucks vs. the this shows great agendas here is ridiculous.

 

[fixxxer]

Because it was explain as not being a SHIELD facility.....

In the words of the immortal Colonel James, "you think so, doctor?"

In that situation, yes they would have asked nicely first and said they were SHIELD, knowing it wasn't a SHIELD facility. It was explained to be something that Fury VISITED, not commissioned. VISITED. Fury has been doing things without SHIELD in the MCU.

Fury commissioned Coulson's procedures in the Guest House. He oversaw them and even flew in a SHIELD doctor to assist. Fury is still the head of SHIELD. Coulson not being able to make this simple inference that the base is SHIELD-aligned, and not some target to be attacked and infiltrated is extremely poor writing. If Coulson based his decision on something that that the viewers didn't, well, that's poor writing too.

In any case, I've said my piece on this topic. And like someone said, I don't think either camp is going to budge on this. Let's all just move on and see what comes next.

 

[fixxxer]

The over analysis of this show is mind numbing. This is not masterpiece theater nor is it the adaptation of the great American novel. Its a fun action show. The this show sucks vs. the this shows great agendas here is ridiculous.

Ok, one last bit and then I'm done, I promise.

I think I speak for pretty much everyone here when I say we love the MCU. We adore it. And we're extremely protective of it. This may be why we hold the show to a higher standard than we would when it comes to its "entertaining network schlock" brethren like Blacklist, CSI/NCIS/Criminal Minds and its ilk, Sleepy Hollow, and too many others to list.

When Agents Of SHIELD hits its mark, like it did in many recent episodes, I feel like it deserves a place alongside its slightly more illustrious silver screen brethren. When it doesn't, or more accurately, when we feel like it doesn't, due to weak writing, characterization or whatever, the so called over-analysis ensues.

High fives all around.

 

[Vartha]

lol I never over analyze. lol
...well MAYBE with Thor stuff

 

[Whiskey Tango]

The over analysis of this show is mind numbing. This is not masterpiece theater nor is it the adaptation of the great American novel. Its a fun action show. The this show sucks vs. the this shows great agendas here is ridiculous.

 

[Charlatan]

HYDRA shot first. That's all you need to consider.

 

[The Caped Knight]

that blue alien was it Kree?

 

[Silvermoon]

that blue alien was it Kree?

That seems to be the most popular theory

 

[fixxxer]

Completely without irony, HELL YEA!

(Ok, maybe not completely without irony. )

 

[Dogdor]

I think I have a theory that, if true, can help explain the the way this episode went down.

I think it is an A.I.M facility. And here is why. My first though was that there are a lot of acronyms in that place already, so AIM kinda fits. Next, and correct me if I am wrong, AIM would still have been seen as an ally to shield and the U.S. government until the events in Iron Man 3 took place. And if my time line is correct Coulson was resurrected after the avengers but before iron man 3. This would also explain how Fury would be present at the guest house because at the time shield and aim were still allies, but obviously are not anymore. If this is true then the two guys that were killed were bad anyway.

Feel free to poke holes in my theory, I would love to start up some good old fashioned banter.

 

[Human Torch]

HYDRA shot first. That's all you need to consider.

No,Garrett shot a defenseless camera first.

They should've had Bob say to the other guy."Of course you know,THIS means WAR!"

 

[JC00]

Ya I got more of an A.I.M vibe of that place than a HYDRA vibe and I don't even really think it was an A.I.M facility.

Plus why would Fury take Coulson to a HYDRA facility, who haven't been an active threat since Capt sent them running in World War 2.

Although maybe it was secretly a HYDRA facility. If it was either I guess you can rule out the clairvoyant having any ties to A.I.M or HYDRA in this universe.

 

[The Caped Knight]

That seems to be the most popular theory

Ok so what are the side effects other than regeneration? Does this mean Coulson may have superhuman abilities he's yet to discover? And I guess that rules out Skye from being Jessica Drew : Aka Spider-Woman.

 

[brisa25]

Ok so what are the side effects other than regeneration? Does this mean Coulson may have superhuman abilities he's yet to discover? And I guess that rules out Skye from being Jessica Drew : Aka Spider-Woman.

i think with coulson it's just helped regenerate. i don't think he is going to have powers. i think w/ skye she might have powers being that she is an 084 already. yeah i dont think she is jessica drew or ms marvel. im thinking inhuman now but who knows just have to be patient and see. although again i dont mind reading all the speculations

 

[Dregride]

I have a feeling that bob and friend are gonna appear in a future episode
And bobs gonna see garret and say "hey it's that ******* who gut shot me!"
They're gonna be like Kenny from South Park, they get shot and presumably die and then show up later.

 

[obiyoyo]

M G H (mutant growth hormone) is used by AIM to create mutants with strength and enhanced telepathic ability. the play on G H and the clairvoyant seem to fit the bill.

what I see coming, and hoping that is does... is M.O.D.O.K.

that would explain his insane desire for tech and scientific processes that haven't been realized.

A.I.M. (Advanced Idea Mechanics) whom MODOK is the leader of seems to fit the bill. I would love to see a live version of MODOK, so here's to dreaming.