Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Season 1 Episode 14 "Tahiti" Discussion Thread

[redlion2]

The most hilarious aspect about this debate of the unfortunate demise of Bob and his sidekick at the secret base are fans that are acting as if Fury would be really pissed about this. Are we talking about Nick Fury? The same Nick Fury that took out one his own pilots with a rocket launcher, who by the way was just following orders from the Security Council, from the deck of his Helicarrier in Avengers. That guy?

 

[mkilban2]

The most hilarious aspect about this debate of the unfortunate demise of Bob and his sidekick at the secret base are fans that are acting as if Fury would be really pissed about this. Are we talking about Nick Fury? The same Nick Fury that took out one his own pilots with a rocket launcher, who by the way was just following orders from the Security Council, from the deck of his Helicarrier in Avengers. That guy?

your logic has no place here! Be gone!

 

[mkilban2]

Also, can we call them Prometheus and Bob from here on out please? ..... please?

 

[C. Lee]

The most hilarious aspect about this debate of the unfortunate demise of Bob and his sidekick at the secret base are fans that are acting as if Fury would be really pissed about this. Are we talking about Nick Fury? The same Nick Fury that took out one his own pilots with a rocket launcher, who by the way was just following orders from the Security Council, from the deck of his Helicarrier in Avengers. That guy?

That's why I don't get into too many of these discussions any more.....it's like people have never seen this Fury guy and don't really know anything about him.

 

[Human Torch]

In any incarnation,Fury would bazooka his grandmother if it advances his agenda.

 

[mkilban2]

In any incarnation,Fury would bazooka his grandmother if it advances his agenda.

Wouldn't we all?

 

[fixxxer]

I'd bazooka Fury's grandmother.

(Read that again in my head *shudders* )

 

[kosh33]

Wouldn't we all?

fury's grandmother - yes
my grandmother - no

 

[Lord]

Fury going against rules doesn't mean he likes people going against his oun rules

 

[redlion2]

Fury going against rules doesn't mean he likes people going against his oun rules

Oh, you're trying to imply Fury is the kind of guy who would say, "Do as I say and not as I do". I dunno, Fury has always struck me as the kind of person that could be totally and completely ruthless in order to complete a mission or get something accomplished but I don't recall him being hypocritical, at least not on a personal level. Somehow, I don't get the impression of him making a big deal about Coulson making his own call on something. It's not the first time Coulson's done it and I think Fury would understand considering he's done it too.

 

[Heretic]

To be fair...SHIELD has been established as intentionally putting their agents in certain death situations just to get something done...so I doubt the higher-ups would appreciate the fact that a secret lab with an alien specimen and the highest medical tech the world has ever seen was destroyed just to save a girl who hacked their systems multiple times, and was even involved in the assault/shooting of a top SHIELD agent in a successful attempt to hack into their files at their base of operations. Would they really be willing to throw away the greatest discoveries in the history of mankind just to save her?

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Why in the hell did they only have two guys guarding such an important facility anyway?

 

[coluanprime]

Why in the hell did they only have two guys guarding such an important facility anyway?

Well, I think there are two ways to protect something, there's the big way where you have thousands of soldiers guarding it. Or there's the small way, where you depend completely on secrecy, I would guess that those guards would've spent the rest of their life there. This place was so top secret they only way to figure out where it was accessing a secure shield file, putting onto a giant holographic projector, changing the size and rotating it. After all, the more guards you hire, the greater the chance a traitor is going to get in.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I would think you'd have at least a squad in there tho. Unless you were recording everything and hoping to mine material for a sitcom.

"What happens when you put two guys in charge of a Top Secret storage facility? Wackiness!"

 

[Human Torch]

"This week on Undercover Boss,will Bob and friend open the doors for a medical emergency,or will they stick to protocol?"

 

[cherokeesam]

Well, I think there are two ways to protect something, there's the big way where you have thousands of soldiers guarding it. Or there's the small way, where you depend completely on secrecy, I would guess that those guards would've spent the rest of their life there. This place was so top secret they only way to figure out where it was accessing a secure shield file, putting onto a giant holographic projector, changing the size and rotating it. After all, the more guards you hire, the greater the chance a traitor is going to get in.

You're operating under the assumption that the only way anyone would discover the remote facility would be through FitzSimmons' bizarre holo-hack. A much more likely scenario would be that some random schmo stumbles across the site by accident. The planet Earth is a tiny place these days, especially with satellites Google-mapping every square inch of the planet's surface. *Somebody* would find it, just by accident --- a passing fishing vessel blown off course during a storm, a plane crashing on the island, some reality-TV adventurer or other thinking this place looks interesting, or just some armchair Google map "explorer" in Oshkosh blogging about hidden military sites/bases. SHIELD/Fury would have been prepared for such an eventuality with better disguise/camouflage of the facility, automated defenses, a much larger security detail, etc.

HYDRA, on the other hand...? HYDRA ****s up every "top secret" base they've ever tried to build. And leaves low-level cannon fodder hanging around to get their asses kicked by the heroes who inevitably find their way in.

Plus, what about "Bob." And stuff.

 

[redlion2]

To be fair...SHIELD has been established as intentionally putting their agents in certain death situations just to get something done...so I doubt the higher-ups would appreciate the fact that a secret lab with an alien specimen and the highest medical tech the world has ever seen was destroyed just to save a girl who hacked their systems multiple times, and was even involved in the assault/shooting of a top SHIELD agent in a successful attempt to hack into their files at their base of operations. Would they really be willing to throw away the greatest discoveries in the history of mankind just to save her?

Of course the "higher ups", meaning the Security Council, would indeed be upset about the missed opportunity. Since Fury is the only SHIELD agent with a level 10 clearance, that we currently know of, I'm assuming Director Fury is Shield's top dog other than the Security Council. If that's the case, I don't think Fury would be that bummed about it. Fury himself has defied the Security Council several times. When they wanted him to develop the HYDRA weapons, he pursued his own agenda with the Avengers Initiative, he disobeyed a direct order by not nuking New York. He even openly tried to prevent said order from being carried out. He bucked SHIELD protocol by giving Coulson the secret file in the first place. Fury has a history of thumbing his nose at the Security Council's wishes. As for Skye, Fury himself sanctioned her to be on the team and trusted Coulson's approval of her. All this, after he knew she had been working with the Rising Tide to expose SHIELD when she was a civilian.

Now, all this assumption of concern coming from the Security Council is based upon the idea the secret base wasn't controlled by hostile forces. Now we all know,SHIELD wasn't able to keep the base secured and intact. It was booby trapped to blow in case it had been compromised and agent Ward couldn't prevent it. Originally, Coulson didn't want to kill anyone and was hoping the medical staff was there and only gave instructions otherwise if the mission went "sideways". If the base was HYDRA, a trade off for not securing that valuable cache of scientific research and equipment, along with an alien cadaver is the idea that something like that didn't stay in, what could possibly be, enemy hands. At the very least, we know the base wasn't SHIELD affiliated and that's going by the clues the show has given us this far.

 

[DrCosmic]

I find it amusing that until this episode, people were complaining that SHIELD was using kid's gloves, wasn't acting enough like a real spy agency, and didn't have enough credibility to be a serious threat in the field. Now they undertake (yet another) successful legitimate field mission, without the kids gloves, like a real spy agency, and its too much! You can't please everyone, I guess.

Honestly... I can relate. It's like, for me, no matter what they do, the show still irks me somehow. I feel like the foundation is off, and so no matter what they build on it, it bothers me. I don't like these people, it seems.

I think for the detractors of the show, it's kinda like that, and they're divided on who exactly it is they dislike. Some think May is MVP, some can't stand her. Skye is my fav easily, but others *hate* her breathing guts. So everytime they tease a character death, I'm like 'yes, please, do it!' It's really sad. Now I don't try and justify my hate with anything else, but others do, and I can see why, because you basically have to give up hope of the show ever getting better for you.

Even this episode with the crazy, CRAZY reveal at the end, I'm like... 'oh, interesting!' from a story standpoint, but if Trip and Bill Paxton's character and a new team started investigating it, I wouldn't look back at Coulson's crew for a moment.

 

[Lord]

Pretty much that, lol

 

[NinjaSpeed]

Why in the hell did they only have two guys guarding such an important facility anyway?

Sequestration

 

[cph9fa]

Sequestration

 

[Guard82]

I really loved this episode. The way the writers not only took us through the agony over Skye's near-death, but also expanded on Coulson's resurrection was great. I also liked how Coulson, May and Simmons wrestled over the ethical questions of using unknown methods to try to save Skye. Bill Paxton was a great addition as Garrett, and I loved the reveal in that strange lab of the body of a blue alien (which I'm betting is a Kree). Oh, and I can't forget the awesomeness of May physically demolishing Quinn! The whole episode was hugely entertaining and well-written.

 

[Jedi_Atticus]

Is my wife and I the only ones that thought that AGent Coulson and crew found Brokeback Mountain? Two manly men, stuck with the assignment of guarding and maintaining a facility?

As for Coulson's actions, can't we all atleast agree that this is a 'gray' area that I'm sure spies/covert operatives have to deal with? Coulson had no authorization to be at a 'black site'. Bob and his friend were following their orders, They did nothing wrong, regardless of which side they are on.

 

[Jedi_Atticus]

That ofcourse doesnt mean that I think Coulson did anything wrong, I would have done the same thing in his situation. He made it clear that he was only there for medical help, and that was their only option at the time.

 

[Tymminator]

Kree or generic Inhuman

http://youtu.be/nPjuwooNi8U

Now confirmed to be Kree. No real surprise though, but still cool.