Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. Agents of SHIELD TV series for ABC - General Discussion - LEVEL 9

[JC00]

Simmons kept wanting to send the sample to Shields labs, with Coulson repeatedly telling her no.

I think this is just her biochemist curosity getting to her

 

[Huddsy]

I think this is just her biochemist curosity getting to her

...or is it?

 

[kosh33]

good point huddsy... i think there might be a late twist on the team's loyalties

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

good point huddsy... i think there might be a late twist on the team's loyalties

I don't know. Marvel got a lot of backlash for the Mandarin twist. I don't think they'd do another twist that would piss a lot of people off/possibly lose viewers. I think they'll flirt with some of Coulson's team being bad seeds, but in the end I think the twist will be that they're on on the good side.

 

[jonathancrane]

I doubt Marvel was concerned with the forum complaints regarding the Mandarin. IM3 made a crap ton of money, so they could care less.

 

[Chance Jackson]

I don't know. Marvel got a lot of backlash for the Mandarin twist. I don't think they'd do another twist that would piss a lot of people off/possibly lose viewers. I think they'll flirt with some of Coulson's team being bad seeds, but in the end I think the twist will be that they're on on the good side.

IM3 nearly made Avengers Money(1.2B vs 1.5B), All of the backlash came from the small number of comic book fans in the 616 purist and quasi-purist echo chamber otherwise it was complete success.

Any concerns Marvel TV/ABC have with this show will only factor in whether or not the general audience will like like it vs hate it

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

There's a difference between Iron Man 3's twist and what people are suggesting for an Agents of SHIELD twist.

In Iron Man 3, even though people hated the twist, it didn't really effect the character of Iron Man at all, so most people were still able to enjoy the movie. However, imagine if a Mandarin-like twist was applied to Iron Man himself instead. Imagine that Tony Stark had been a terrorist all along or something. The movie would have been much less successful and even less liked.

There's a big difference between introducing a character and then tampering with them like Marvel did with the Mandarin, and tampering with the characters who's journey/hardships/triumphs/etc. you have been following for a while like Iron Man or the main agents in this show. That's what you call a cheap twist, unless it was set up from the beginning. And I don't see any hints that that is the case. We've seen all 6 of these characters in vulnerable positions. It would be kinda stupid and cruel if one of them was bad all along.

 

[Dark Raven]

I don't know. Marvel got a lot of backlash for the Mandarin twist. I don't think they'd do another twist that would piss a lot of people off/possibly lose viewers. I think they'll flirt with some of Coulson's team being bad seeds, but in the end I think the twist will be that they're on on the good side.

That's a completely different kind of twist to the Mandarin twist though. The Mandarin one was that there wasn't even such a character and it was all a facade. Having someone turn out to be bad is a far more accepted twist. Plus it fits in with everything that is going on in TWS. I don't see that if one of the team turns traitor it will lose viewers. It's not like people were so loyal to this team anyway, especially since many found them rather bland.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

I doubt Marvel was concerned with the forum complaints regarding the Mandarin. IM3 made a crap ton of money, so they could care less.

It was quite amusing seeing those same complainers try to claim the Kingsley One-Shot was Marvel's attempt at an apology to them.

 

[Shikamaru]

The Mandarin twist was hated for 2 reasons:

1) People feeling falsely marketed to due to Kingsley being sold as the real Mandarin in the trailers - not applicable in this situation.

2) People finding the fake Mandarin more interesting than Killian - not applicable in this situation.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Having a character like Hand/Garrett/Triplett/etc. turn out to be bad is accepted and makes sense because we've never seen any of them in a situations where the audience is supposed to feel for them or get to know them. You either like them or dislike them for their personality and their actions. We don't KNOW them no matter how long they've been on the show.

It's different for the main 6 agents in this show. Each one of them has been in a situation where they've shown their true colors. We KNOW these characters to some extent. It doesn't make any sense at all for any to them to be bad. Nothing that we've learned about any of the characters suggest that they'd turn on their team. It would be a cheap ass twist.

Have you ever seen the movie A Perfect Getaway? The twist in that movie made sense because they left hints throughout the movie, and [BLACKOUT]when you find out that the main couple are the killers[/BLACKOUT], even if you didn't realize it before, when they show the flashbacks of the previous scenes in the movie, you get it. It's not cheap. They wrote it that way.

 

[El Bandito]

Fitz was too geniunely surprised to find the extra line I think. In a moment was he was alone, and had no reason be acting.

I got a different feeling, it made me wonder if he got scared that someone was communicating with Fury and he couldn't observe it cause it was a secret line.

 

[cph9fa]

I love how the whole team (especially Coulson) is so paranoid of each other now. The Clairvoyant really knows how to push their buttons. And Whedon really likes to tear his makeshift families apart before he puts them back together. Someone else compared it to the distrust on the helicarrier, and I think that's exactly right. Our intrepid team of agents can only come out stronger in the end (sans any mole or team death, if there is one, which I doubt).

Really looking forward to the remainder of the season.

 

[Dark Raven]

Do any of the team trust each other? Seems like Coulson at least trusts Skye and Fitz trusts Simmons.

 

[AquamanOS]

Coulson still trusts Skye, and FitzSimmons (he doesn't know they're trying to go behind his back) and might trust Ward again (he might have realized he jumped the gun and made a mistake when he heard about May) He's really jumpy though. The slightest reason to mistrust seemingly sets him off now.

Ward still seems to trust everyone, and is confused as to why they suspect him.

I think Skye still trusts Ward too, and everyone except May who they apparantly caught red handed.

Nobody trusts May obviously since they just caught her in the act. But May herself (assuming she's reporting to Fury or someone not evil) probably trusts everyone else still.

I don't know if Simmons mistrusts Skye and Coulson or just knows they're hiding something. She'd ironically still trust Ward since she wasn't on the Bus currently, and Ward wasn't suspicious before she left.

Fitz still seems to trust Skye at least since he went to her to tell her about May's secret line. It's hard to tell if he really cares about them witholding the GH drug or is just backing Simmons out of friendship.

But yeah it's pretty complicated here.

 

[RockSP]

One thing I don't understand:

- Why do people want Don Cheadle to make a guest appearance as Rhodey? His only interaction with SHIELD was when Romanoff gave him control of the War Machine armor. He's never met Phil Coulson nor has had any interaction with Nick Fury.

Is it because Cheadle does TV?

Huh Who says he has to have interacted with Shield before to interact with them now? I mean they wanted Sif on the show and so they wrote a reason for her to be on it. It's not like she interacted with Shield all that much in the first Thor.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I thought this weeks ep was good. I really liked the upping of the stakes for the characters, Ward is now in trouble due to letting his feelings for Skye cloud his judgment, and we have the first real friction between Coulson and May, the scene on the plane at the end was really well done, it created an intensity that the show has often lacked IMO.

Not sure about Deathlok's look, he kinda looked a bit like a guy playing laser tag, but the shot of him on the x ray screen was cool.

I'm interested to see if the traitor agent is part of [BLACKOUT]Hydra[/BLACKOUT] and if their interest in Skye goes beyond what she now has in her.

 

[BloodHound]

James Rhodes could be on the show given that he is a member of US Air Force, and Glenn Talbot is a Colonel of the US Air Force, so there certainly is a connection between him and the show.

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Deathlok is proving practically unstoppable right...? So why aren't they sending in Cap? SHIELD logic!

 

[kosh33]

Deathlok is proving practically unstoppable right...? So why aren't they sending in Cap? SHIELD logic!

cap has bigger fish to fry like the winter soldier or other missions for shield (no pun intended small fry)

 

[hoy-small-fry]

Bigger than a super soldier program...?

 

[Intouch]

Spoiler

http://comicbook.com/blog/2014/04/04/agents-of-s-h-i-e-l-d-is-ward-really-a-traitor/

 

[kosh33]

Bigger than a super soldier program...?

i picture cap as not going to every shield meeting and socialising with all his shield unit... i see him as being called in for specific missions, because shield wants to keep secrets from him, and once its over, he goes back to his personal quest to explore the new world
he may not even be aware of supersoldiers being created (centipede was already taken down by the midpoint of the series)

 

[eddy]

Why wouldn't Cap go after Deathlok? Well, he's tired of being Fury's janitor obviously.

 

[hopeless]

Given all the hype Mike was told about during his training, I'd expect him to run for it if he realised Cap had arrived!