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[Clark-Kent]

That's true. He looks very Bizarro-like there... and I see you guys saying that they shouldn't have released this photo, but it got you to talk and speculate about it, which was most probably the intention.

Anyway, I doubt it's Bizarro, but think that Snyder chose to make a nod to the character by making kryptonite-poisoned Supes to appear that way. I mean, looking sickly and like one is barely standing pretty much equals zombie-like complexion and classic "monster pose".

Interesting theory as well. He had to of known that would get Bizarro talk going by the way. Even if a misdirection, it would seem Snyder doesn't mind the speculation. Some of the SHH members should keep in mind that theorizing at this stage is part of the fun

 

[-Arya-]

That's jumping to a ton of conclusions. Hero's are as good as their villains. They are going to be controlled somehow, someway in this. If a Bizarre situation is used in some capacity, I doubt Superman is going to be Bizarro the entire movie. That just doesn't make sense....at all.

I don't get how people will feel cheated. The whole entire movie seems to be based on the psychology of Superman and Batman. We're going to get a crapload of Superman/Batman who differ in how to go about things but are on different sides of the same coin. Hell, we see Clark Kent himself tracking the Batman down. It doesn't get better than that but like Snyder said, the "V" is used for Lex Luthor. Stuff is going to come into play...but we already knew that since forever.

The problem is that some people are perceiving every behavior from Superman as Bizarro. Which is to say basically all the shots we've seen from trailers and TV spots; most of which include him with a frown. "If Superman is upset with Batman, it is therefore Bizarro." Its absurd. I'm not talking about this forum specifically, but other places around the net.

 

[Tra-El]

I'm not saying it definitely will be Bizarro, but if that cover didn't at least vaguely remind you of the character, I would find that very hard to believe.

It took me all but 2 seconds to utter the words "Bizarro" without any internet or forum influences on what I am being told to think. If Bizarro didn't pop in anyone's mind from the sheer execution of the photo, then we wouldn't be having these discussions. This is what they wanted. I dig it! Slowly, more and more is coming out, but nothing spoilerish. I like where they're going with the marketing so far.

 

[Clark-Kent]

The problem is that some people are perceiving every behavior from Superman as Bizarro. Which is to say basically all the shots we've seen from trailers and TV spots; most of which include him with a frown. "If Superman is upset with Batman, it is therefore Bizarro." Its absurd. I'm not talking about this forum specifically, but other places around the net.

To me, everytime a legit reason is given people ignore that... and only focus on the sillier reasons as a way to dismiss the theory.

 

[rogbngp]

I will admit something is off in that picture. To my eye either he's sick from Kryptonite or it just doesn't read right. It's weird looking.

I actually think that to the extent that historically Lex's creation of a super-powered monster from Zod's corpse by cloning yields Bizarro, I think we will get that. But in this case it will be an attempt to spawn Doomsday somehow from Zod's cells, or maybe even his corpse.

I've given up on the idea that Superman will get cloned. For a while I saw it as a possible way of Lex using such a creation to do bad things and thereby make Batman believe Superman is evil. But now that we know Doomsday is in the film that seems like too much by way of cloning enemies, i.e., to have an evil clone of Superman plus Doomsday is overkill.

Nevertheless that Superman does look strange to me.

 

[Tra-El]

The problem is that some people are perceiving every behavior from Superman as Bizarro. Which is to say basically all the shots we've seen from trailers and TV spots; most of which include him with a frown. "If Superman is upset with Batman, it is therefore Bizarro." Its absurd. I'm not talking about this forum specifically, but other places around the net.

There were only 2 instances where I got a sense of Bizarro. The first was the clip where Bruce was shackled and Supes rips his mask off. When Supes is walking towards Bruce, the camera is doing some freaky stuff and Cavill's walk seems clumsy and clunky. It was really eerie, but some can argue it's Bruce's internal struggle with Supes/fear/nightmare.

The second instance was obviously this EMPIRE cover. The rest of the clips and trailers I've seen in between was all Supes to me. No complaints.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I will admit something is off in that picture. To my eye either he's sick from Kryptonite or it just doesn't read right. It's weird looking.

I actually think that to the extent that historically Lex's creation of a super-powered monster from Zod's corpse by cloning yields Bizarro, I think we will get that. But in this case it will be an attempt to spawn Doomsday somehow from Zod's cells, or maybe even his corpse.

I've given up on the idea that Superman will get cloned. For a while I saw it as a possible way of Lex using such a creation to do bad things and thereby make Batman believe Superman is evil. But now that we know Doomsday is in the film that seems like too much by way of cloning enemies, i.e., to have an evil clone of Superman plus Doomsday is overkill.

Nevertheless that Superman does look strange to me.

I know this was dismissed and article didn't come out to my knowledge from supposed source Premiere-------- but some of it sounds pretty darned interesting especially now.

The villain's look has obviously been fairly divisive since he first appeared in the latest trailer for the movie, but could we see him evolve in any way here? "We are able to tell a story in a fresh way," Tatopoulos explains. "Doomsday is an evolution essentially. Fans may be aware of the death of Superman story, but this is handled in such a new way."

"When the film is called Batman v or versus Superman, it really has a lot of levels to the meaning. Superman isn't just killed off at the end of something. We see how he evolves as part of Lex's plan to protect the world. Seeing the Superman we know, be gone, and then replaced with this reproduction is really going to make fans think of how we look at these super beings. It was especially interesting to figure out, how would you create Superman from Zod... then how would that involve into Doomsday." Here's where things get even more interesting though. Tatopoulos went on to tease that there's a "larger threat" at play, while the "timeframe of how things fall into place will surprise fans" and:

"Doomsday isn't just the final act."

Does that mean we're going to get our first look at Darkseid or Brainiac?! All he would say to that is, "Those feeling they may know too much this early, are going to be in for a true surprise."

 

[-Arya-]

There were only 2 instances where I got a sense of Bizarro. The first was the clip where Bruce was shackled and Supes rips his mask off. When Supes is walking towards Bruce, the camera is doing some freaky stuff and Cavill's walk seems clumsy and clunky. It was really eerie, but some can argue it's Bruce's internal struggle with Supes/fear/nightmare.

The second instance was obviously this EMPIRE cover. The rest of the clips and trailers I've seen in between was all Supes to me. No complaints.

I'm glad we agree on these moments.

 

[Black Narcissus]

I'm not saying it definitely will be Bizarro, but if that cover didn't at least vaguely remind you of the character, I would find that very hard to believe.

No.

Frank Miller foretold this about the character in Genesis: Chapter 4, passage 20.

Batman: You sold us out, Clark. You gave them the power that should have been ours. Just like your parents taught you. My parents taught me a different lesson... lying on this street... shaking in deep shock... dying for no reason at all. They showed me that the world only makes sense when you force it to.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I can handle it if it's in another movie. When the film is supposed to be about Batman and Superman, I expect to see Batman and the real Superman. Having Bizarro thrown in there feels like a total cop out. You don't market a Batman v Superman movie with Bizarro replacing him. You just don't. People will feel cheated.

This.

Personally, I don't buy the Bizarro theory for a number of reasons:

1. What purpose does he serve? There are far less convoluted ways to turn the public and Batman against Supes and Doomsday already serves as the "heavy", so why is he needed?

2. One of the scenes where Supes looks "Bizarro-esque" is the main event fight scene. If the major confrontation isn't between the two characters who are ideologically opposed, but instead is between a "good guy" and a "bad guy", it robs the scene of any real weight. It's just another fight scene.

3. In that scene, Superman says something very Supermanly: "Stay down. If I wanted it, you'd be dead already." Can't imagine an evil character would say that.

4. Why the **** would they put Bizarro on the magazine cover instead of Superman? The movie's called Batman v Superman! Even if that were a good idea, why would they give away the movie's best kept secret on a magazine cover?

Anyway, I doubt it's Bizarro, but think that Snyder chose to make a nod to the character by making kryptonite-poisoned Supes to appear that way. I mean, looking sickly and like one is barely standing pretty much equals zombie-like complexion and classic "monster pose".

That is a very real possibility.

 

[Clark-Kent]

The context of some scenes is unknown at this point. The way Superman was kneeling to Lex, and the way Lex positioned his hand on his head in "almost" care was the first scene I really thought it could have been a possibility towards the clone theory. There are other possibilities to the scene, but it was hard for me to not consider how this came across.

It just strikes me as almost the Star Wars sith like control, where he kneels to the master so to speak awaiting command.

Obviously it could have a totally different context and that's not a clone as well. I stand by the idea that it's worth speculation though for fun.

 

[rockandrollsoul]

I know this was dismissed and article didn't come out to my knowledge from supposed source Premiere-------- but some of it sounds pretty darned interesting especially now.

That article was exposed as a complete fabrication. Premiere never published any such article.

The context of some scenes is unknown at this point. The way Superman was kneeling to Lex, and the way Lex positioned his hand on his head in "almost" care was the first scene I really thought it could have been a possibility towards the clone theory. There are other possibilities to the scene, but it was hard for me to not consider how this came across.

It just strikes me as almost the Star Wars sith like control, where he kneels to the master so to speak awaiting command.

Obviously it could have a totally different context and that's not a clone as well. I stand by the idea that it's worth speculation though for fun.

Kryptonite

Occum's razor. We know kryptonite is in this movie. We know Lex has it. We know Bats uses it. We know it will have an ill effect on Superman.

 

[Clark-Kent]

He isn't making a sick/in pain face though to me. That's why I was thinking it's either under control of Lex for some reason (Lois or Mom in danger?) or the clone possibility that is doing his bidding.

 

[rogbngp]

The context of some scenes is unknown at this point. The way Superman was kneeling to Lex, and the way Lex positioned his hand on his head in "almost" care was the first scene I really thought it could have been a possibility towards the clone theory. There are other possibilities to the scene, but it was hard for me to not consider how this came across.

It just strikes me as almost the Star Wars sith like control, where he kneels to the master so to speak awaiting command.

Obviously it could have a totally different context and that's not a clone as well. I stand by the idea that it's worth speculation though for fun.

Yeah, that is a very weird scene to me. It would bother me if Superman is being extorted by Lex because he's holding either Lois or Martha (or both) hostage. For Lex to be using Kryptonite on Supes there also doesn't quite read right to me.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Yeah, that is a very weird scene to me. It would bother me if Superman is being extorted by Lex because he's holding either Lois or Martha (or both) hostage. For Lex to be using Kryptonite on Supes there also doesn't quite read right to me.

Yeah that just doesn't seem like in pain or weak from Kryptonite there.

 

[rogbngp]

Yeah that just doesn't seem like in pain or weak from Kryptonite there.

Exactly. He doesn't look physically weakened.

Plus, I don't really see Superman sneering angrily like that in reaction to Lex having the upper hand. Superman is way more poised than that ordinarily.

 

[Clark-Kent]

If on the clone theory still I'm thinking there could be some clone vs Batman fighting as well as real Superman vs Batman fighting. Batman doesn't know the real Superman, so if having dealt with a jerky clone before, I'm sure he's ready to take out the REAL Superman because of it after. More conflict and Lex sips a martini

 

[PopeAdrian37th]

This movie can't come soon enough.

 

[Tv's Phil]

Honestly I think what's getting people is the eyeliner look that's been in that cover and that recent poster.
It changes a person's look pretty heavily.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Honestly I think what's getting people is the eyeliner look that's been in that cover and that recent poster.
It changes a person's look pretty heavily.

That's not as much fun to speculate on.

 

[-Arya-]

It doesn't make sense to have Bizarro on a magazine cover instead of Superman. None whatsoever.

 

[rogbngp]

This.

Personally, I don't buy the Bizarro theory for a number of reasons:

1. What purpose does he serve? There are far less convoluted ways to turn the public and Batman against Supes and Doomsday already serves as the "heavy", so why is he needed?

2. One of the scenes where Supes looks "Bizarro-esque" is the main event fight scene. If the major confrontation isn't between the two characters who are ideologically opposed, but instead is between a "good guy" and a "bad guy", it robs the scene of any real weight. It's just another fight scene.

3. In that scene, Superman says something very Supermanly: "Stay down. If I wanted it, you'd be dead already." Can't imagine an evil character would say that.

4. Why the **** would they put Bizarro on the magazine cover instead of Superman? The movie's called Batman v Superman! Even if that were a good idea, why would they give away the movie's best kept secret on a magazine cover?



That is a very real possibility.

Those are great questions, actually. But at this point one could only guess at how it would all be pieced together.

I entertained the theory for some time because I envisioned Lex just trotting the clone out selectively to do something bad when, for example, he knew Clark was occupied in his capacity as a reporter. (Note in the Dr. Pepper prequel comic that we see Lex kicking back monitoring all sorts of images on multiple TV screens.) How the clone would get defeated eventually I had not a clue.

If there is a clone (which I now doubt) it would actually be sort of neat if he starts out perfect but gradually becomes more pale and zombie-like.

As I mentioned earlier, though, I think that if Doomsday is the product of a cloning experiment, then it seems to dilute the impact of that to have yet another cloned creature that is also a monster...

 

[Clark-Kent]

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[Astro13Zombie]

It doesn't make sense to have Bizarro on a magazine cover instead of Superman. None whatsoever.

Welcome to the SHH forums.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Those are great questions, actually. But at this point one could only guess at how it would all be pieced together.

I entertained the theory for some time because I envisioned Lex just trotting the clone out selectively to do something bad when, for example, he knew Clark was occupied in his capacity as a reporter. (Note in the Dr. Pepper prequel comic that we see Lex kicking back monitoring all sorts of images on multiple TV screens.) How the clone would get defeated eventually I had not a clue.

If there is a clone (which I now doubt) it would actually be sort of neat if he starts out perfect but gradually becomes more pale and zombie-like.

As I mentioned earlier, though, I think that if Doomsday is the product of a cloning experiment, then it seems to dilute the impact of that to have yet another cloned creature that is also a monster...

What about the idea from the debunked article that the clone actually transitions to Doomsday